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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 12:11:51 GMT
The successful 50/50 draw brings in much needed funds for BRSC and this goes to Rovers Academy. Just recently had a letter from BRSC about my continued support of the much debated Share Scheme. New proposals are being prepared to enable fans to continue that support with a view of the BRSC obtaining more influence in our Club. "with a view of the BRSC obtaining more influence in our Club." I just spat my coffee all over my Mac thanks. The SC is responsible for diluting their own shareholding thereby reducing the chance they ever had of having proper influence. Remember, if the share scheme had achieved its objective of a 26% shareholding then it would have had to have been informed and agreed to the recent takeover. Your committee agreed to dilute your shareholding by 50% thereby killing the objective of the share scheme and any real chance of influence. I think you are 10 years too late trying to gain anything other than a charitable amount of lip service from the new owners and to be honest I'm glad about that because I wouldn't want Jim and his committee any where near decision making of the club. Good luck with the programme selling and the 50/50 tickets. You all do a great job with your fundraising and I'm sure that it really is appreciated by everybody connected with the club.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on May 23, 2016 12:13:48 GMT
I agree a meeting is needed soon. To air any issues and to outline any changes that may be required going forward before we all start speculating rather than knowing what's going on. UTG
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Post by fatherjackhackett on May 23, 2016 12:25:20 GMT
I might be a bit dim here, but why does fan representation have to go hand in hand with voluntary work on a match day?
I would argue that more fans views would be taken on board if a couple of SC reps weren't selling programmes or 50/50 tickets, and instead held a drop in 'surgery' or maybe a bi-monthly meeting on a match day.
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Post by Rex on May 23, 2016 13:08:57 GMT
The successful 50/50 draw brings in much needed funds for BRSC and this goes to Rovers Academy. Just recently had a letter from BRSC about my continued support of the much debated Share Scheme. New proposals are being prepared to enable fans to continue that support with a view of the BRSC obtaining more influence in our Club. "with a view of the BRSC obtaining more influence in our Club." I just spat my coffee all over my Mac thanks. The SC is responsible for diluting their own shareholding thereby reducing the chance they ever had of having proper influence. Remember, if the share scheme had achieved its objective of a 26% shareholding then it would have had to have been informed and agreed to the recent takeover. Your committee agreed to dilute your shareholding by 50% thereby killing the objective of the share scheme and any real chance of influence. I think you are 10 years too late trying to gain anything other than a charitable amount of lip service from the new owners and to be honest I'm glad about that because I wouldn't want Jim and his committee any where near decision making of the club. Good luck with the programme selling and the 50/50 tickets. You all do a great job with your fundraising and I'm sure that it really is appreciated by everybody connected with the club. I wouldn't want an SC having a say in decision making either. I see their role as a fund raising/social organisation, and hopefully, when the occasion arises, to be able to communicate fans concerns and needs about specific topics.
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Post by faggotygas on May 23, 2016 13:44:10 GMT
well that is what needs clarifying and discussions between the board and The SC/SC directors. Maybe there have been initial communications or maybe not.
That's why I say If. The club have made noises about training facilities, academies etc which are going to cost money. A far sight more than what The SC could ever contribute.
At best you would hope even if the club wants The SCs money, it wont be on a club demand it, you supply it basis
That will all cost more than the £300 my season ticket cost so on your logic they may as well let me in for free. It's like people really believe money grows on trees. Don't be silly. Buying a product from a billionaire is not the same as making an essentially charitable donation to a billionaire.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 13:45:45 GMT
If Wael did not take the glory then by the same reasoning why should NH take the blame,if DC and the players were responsible for the upturn in results then by the same token they were responsible for the results prior to the takeover,you cannot have it both ways,and as I have said on another topic join the sc and stand against JC if you feel that strongly about it Firstly, what are you going on about? Your post is so irrelevant to what I posted. Did you read it? Why are DC and the current crop of players responsible for taking us from League 1 to the Conference? Why are they responsible for chasing a lost cause in the Sainsburys case and why are they to blame for NH taking out payday loans and banning anyone he doesn't like from entering the stadium? That was my post. Your response is confusing. The results weren't poor before the takeover? You're always looking for a reason to have a dig at DC and this is one of the strangest you've came up with! No way at all relevant to what I posted. In terms of "Why should NH take the blame"(For the things mentioned in my post) - Because he's trying to claim he took us from The Conference to League 1? Fair, he can do that. WAQ didn't fund any new players. But is he not man enough to admit all of his failings? You remind me of my wife everything she says or doea is correct regardless of the facts,but then again anyone who choses the name of a player with no loyalty,integrity or work ethic is questionable to say the least
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 13:47:23 GMT
I was asked for my thoughts,but then I am a sc member probably an endangered species at this club Does that make you superior to us that aren't, then? Nothing of the sort just making a statement in reply to others,or is that not allowed in this day and age of intolerance to others views
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 13:51:18 GMT
There was a time when you could stand for that position without even joining the Share Scheme. But you would need a flipping neck to do that!! But going back to the point Anne made, I'm pretty sure that under the constitution it's possible for the Executive Committee to co-opt a Chair without that person having met any of the stated requirements. The rules & regs are here if you feel inclined to plough through them - bristolroverssc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/brfc_rules.pdf(Padstow might like to note that some of those he's quick to condemn, played quite a significant part in updating the rules way back when, when there actually appeared to be some point in getting actively involved in BRSC.) Not condemning at all just that what happened in 2006/7 is ancient history and people should move on,we all have things we don't agree with but majority put them down to experience and get on with their life,i don't dislike the late Jimmy Hagan for telling me I had no future at his club way back in the 60s,it hurt but my decision was to forget what you cant change
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Post by Angas on May 23, 2016 13:51:58 GMT
Looking to the future, Padstow. What do you see as the SC's role now that the club appears to be on a more stable financial footing.
Previously it was made clear that the SC was an organisation whose purpose was to support the FC, not an organisation for the benefit of supporters. Time for a change of mindset perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 13:52:48 GMT
I was asked for my thoughts,but then I am a sc member probably an endangered species at this club Padstow i am also a member of the SC and about 3,000 others I believe so you are not as endangered as you think... Jut appears to be,Terry,when you read some of the comments
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Post by Angas on May 23, 2016 13:53:32 GMT
The rules & regs are here if you feel inclined to plough through them - bristolroverssc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/brfc_rules.pdf(Padstow might like to note that some of those he's quick to condemn, played quite a significant part in updating the rules way back when, when there actually appeared to be some point in getting actively involved in BRSC.) Not condemning at all just that what happened in 2006/7 is ancient history and people should move on,we all have things we don't agree with but majority put them down to experience and get on with their life,i don't dislike the late Jimmy Hagan for telling me I had no future at his club way back in the 60s,it hurt but my decision was to forget what you cant change For me this is nothing to do with 2006/07. The attempts to update the SC and modernise its constitution were some way previous to all that.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 13:56:57 GMT
I was asked for my thoughts,but then I am a sc member probably an endangered species at this club you were asked for your thoughts, so are you in agreement with the pile of crap written by mr chappell ? That is your opinion,shared by a tiny minority of supporters,some who no longer attend matches,this is a democracy and everyone is entitled to an opinion without constant criticism,i will reiterate if you think it so bad stand against him.you don't have to wait 2 years just get the required number of sc members to sign a proposal of a vote of no confidence in the current chairman then put yourself forward to replace him,simple isn't it?
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 23, 2016 14:00:51 GMT
That will all cost more than the £300 my season ticket cost so on your logic they may as well let me in for free. It's like people really believe money grows on trees. Don't be silly. Buying a product from a billionaire is not the same as making an essentially charitable donation to a billionaire. Fair enough then faggoty come the start of next instead of spending 2 or 3 quid on fifty fifty tickets, which I hope will make a small contribution to improving the club I support, I'll spend it down William Hill instead. Thank god with have an amazing new owner who has promised to pay for everything, oh hang on that's something he's never said.... Of course better still when we reach the premiership I'll just be able to give my money straight to Sky and BT, obviously far more deserving causes.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 14:11:13 GMT
Having read all the comments on here and the other forum I would suggest that at the next agm a proposal be put forward to close the sc down,pay off any outstanding debts,sell the shares to the club and give proportionate refunds to all share scheme members.all problems solved those much denigrated volunteers can have their lives back and everyone is happy
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Post by faggotygas on May 23, 2016 14:16:45 GMT
Don't be silly. Buying a product from a billionaire is not the same as making an essentially charitable donation to a billionaire. Fair enough then faggoty come the start of next instead of spending 2 or 3 quid on fifty fifty tickets, which I hope will make a small contribution to improving the club I support, I'll spend it down William Hill instead. Thank god with have an amazing new owner who has promised to pay for everything, oh hang on that's something he's never said.... Of course better still when we reach the premiership I'll just be able to give my money straight to Sky and BT, obviously far more deserving causes. Its a matter of priorities. When the club was in danger of not surviving, then the focus was quite rightly on seeing the club survive. Its clear though that this is no longer the issue - the debts have been repaid, and the new owners have indicated that they have plans to build a sustainable club.
“We’re in it for the long term, and that means growing the club organically,” he said. “It means evolution not revolution as I keep on saying. It is about building it step by step, getting the correct footballing structure in. That means working on the academy, recruiting correctly, and using the loan system smartly, so that you build a football club that’s sustainable.”
A club that is sustainable in a business sense doesn't require donations. So surely the SC's funding and activities should be centred on areas that don't come within that scope, that you can't expect the football club as a business to cover, as I've listed in a previous post.
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Post by faggotygas on May 23, 2016 14:20:21 GMT
Having read all the comments on here and the other forum I would suggest that at the next agm a proposal be put forward to close the sc down,pay off any outstanding debts,sell the shares to the club and give proportionate refunds to all share scheme members.all problems solved those much denigrated volunteers can have their lives back and everyone is happy Have you not read any of the posts on what other SCs have done, when the club no longer needs donations to survive?
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Post by faggotygas on May 23, 2016 14:27:29 GMT
Having read all the comments on here and the other forum I would suggest that at the next agm a proposal be put forward to close the sc down,pay off any outstanding debts,sell the shares to the club and give proportionate refunds to all share scheme members.all problems solved those much denigrated volunteers can have their lives back and everyone is happy And who is denigrating the volunteers?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 14:30:27 GMT
The volunteers are all memberts of the sc which has been the main topic of this forum about how others can do so much better,so let the entire ec,volunteers,fans directors and shop workers all resign and let the critics get on with showing how things should be done
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 14:32:09 GMT
Having read all the comments on here and the other forum I would suggest that at the next agm a proposal be put forward to close the sc down,pay off any outstanding debts,sell the shares to the club and give proportionate refunds to all share scheme members.all problems solved those much denigrated volunteers can have their lives back and everyone is happy And who is denigrating the volunteers? Are the ec members paid a salary or retainer,i think not so in effect they are volunteers who are being denigrated
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Post by faggotygas on May 23, 2016 14:35:56 GMT
The volunteers are all memberts of the sc which has been the main topic of this forum about how others can do so much better,so let the entire ec,volunteers,fans directors and shop workers all resign and let the critics get on with showing how things should be done You're being a bit hysterical, calm down.
The topic of conversation has been the disagreement by some of certain statements by one man, followed by a discussion on how SC activities can be used in the best in the new situation the club finds itself in. That is not putting down the hard work of the volunteer community, in fact some posts have expressly stated this. Nor is it, 'shut it all down'.
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