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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 8:40:46 GMT
Fully understand you've got your excuses in. Keep that keyboard working. Your obsession with people's keyboards is puzzling. It's one of his qwerty personality traits.
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 24, 2016 12:39:37 GMT
Yes and no. Are we all bickering, or fundamentally are the vast majority just objecting to one person's comments? Those comments came 'at a time when most things in the garden appear to be rosy'. The boat was rocked (surprisingly and for what looked like petty reasons); most people disliked that and said so. That's widened into questioning the role and record of the SC, which is the platform for the dissenting comments. The suggestion the chairman should be asked to post here (the equivalent of a 'presidential' visit, perhaps) or someone else should convene a meeting to review what's wanted, kind of adds to the idea that the current set-up is out of touch. I think it adds to a definition of a problem: toys out of the pram and 'someone else do it then' isn't the solution. What should 'it' be? GasMacc1's input on what happens elsewhere, with less emphasis on the need for volunteers and more on the promotion of inclusivity is probably very relevant. That was the point. It does seem most people (on the forums anyway) don't rate the SC, but I'm sure most of us want anything connected to Rovers to be a success. I think what Jim Chappell wrote was- at best- misguided, and I certainly have been critical about his comments ,but if he wanted to put his side of the argument at a meeting, I would be more than happy to listen. The trouble with tapping words into a keyboard, is that it apart from the fact that things can be taken 'the wrong way', people do have a tendency to lash out in a way that they wouldn't do in person, and that builds barriers not bridges. Whatever peoples current individual views of the SC, I suspect most of us at some point or other have used or benefitted from their work. Maybe JC and the other volunteers are reeling under the sheer amount of work they take on, maybe there are more people who can help, even if in a small way. One thing is for sure, dividing the fans into 'SC supporters' and 'Gloucester Road drinkers' doesn't help anyone.
Mind you, the Gloucester Road Drinkers Association does have a ring to it
It's certainly a lesson I have come to learn. I now try to be careful before I post and I try not to inflame or further inflame. I never used any type of forum until 2013 & it has taken me that time to hopefully have become a poster that doesn't just post from anger. I think I am lucky that many accepted apologies but then, I've never had a problem in apologising but some really do
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Post by DudeLebowski on May 24, 2016 12:57:26 GMT
Jim Chappell pee'd on my rug.
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Post by Igitur on May 24, 2016 15:03:40 GMT
Jim Chappell pee'd on my rug. That's because there was no parade.
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Post by harrybuckle on May 24, 2016 17:03:51 GMT
Sums up how the SC has progressed (not) under the current Chairman Overseen two promotions in successive seasons he must take credit for something ..Shirley !
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Post by Curly Wurly on May 24, 2016 17:46:15 GMT
Sums up how the SC has progressed (not) under the current Chairman Overseen two promotions in successive seasons he must take credit for something ..Shirley !
I think you'll find that was Nick Higgs team.
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Post by irishrover on May 25, 2016 1:55:50 GMT
I've not been checking the forum regularly for a while because I've not had time but bloody hell that was a depressing read from start to finish.
1. The original comments seem unfortunate and out of touch with the mood of the fanbase. It wasn't the points made so much as the way they were made. It's amazing how people move into line though - if this had been last year and Higgs had said we won't have an open top bus tour I'm quite confident a lot of the people who claimed this was 'a sensible move' would have been saying it was another example of a board with no sense of PR and no respect for the supporters. As it happens I kind of think there should have been one really and it might have been quite nice. But that's about it - to use what is a reasonable expression of disappointment as a jumping off point to criticise not just the new owners but aspects of our own supporters (Gloucester Road Drinkers) sticks in the claw. Especially as I can never remember that tone ever being adopted in relation to the previous board who, to the best of my knowledge, rarely received so much as a rebuke in that column despite overseeing relegation out of the league and record debts. It's that obvious inconsistency which I think upsets and the 'better supporters than you' tone.
2. Having said that the actual issue is an absurd storm in a teacup - it's an argument over whether or not to have an open top bus tour for crying outloud! May I suggest those who would like to watch an open top bus tour go and spend the afternoon in Bath where they can observe plenty of them to their hearts content (some of them may even be blue and white) - whereas those who appear to violently object to open top bus tours could perhaps spend the afternoon in Swindon where they will be largely unbothered by this hitherto underrated menace to society. The idea that this should be on some level a resigning issue for the Supporters Club Chairman or a line in the sand moment for anyone is ridiculous. I think a lot has been inferred here from very little in order to rake over a load of old grudges.
3. A constructive conversation about the future of the Supporters Club is, I think, quite important but unfortunately that is not really what has been had here. Instead there has been on the one hand some over the top reaction to an ill-judged piece on the one hand and some ludicrous hyper-defensive sniping on the other.
4. I think a lot of the criticism of the SC on this thread has come from a position of condemning past actions rather than thinking about future ones which is disappointing. On the flip side the reactions of those defending the SC kind of conforms to the stereotype that it was linked to the bunker 'with us or against us' mentality of the Higgs era. The idea that the SC represents the supporters views is a new one on me to be honest - I have been a member for 10 years and never had my views canvassed or particularly expected them to be. For most of that time my experience of the SC has been as a quietly efficient voluntary fundraising organisation that provided well run services for supporters and carried out a substantial number of (generally more minor but nevertheless important) matchday operations - which it does very well and largely thanklessly (Jim Chappel's point there was entirely fair). But I think that if the Supporters Club Chairman is going to claim that his opinion represents the views of supporters then he should have a mechanism for listening to those supporters views as a whole rather than just the people who come up to talk to him before the game because that is a long chalk short of a general view of Rovers fans on anything. If on the other hand who he is really speaking for is the volunteers on matchday and the views of his committee then he is fully entitled to do so but shouldn't claim it in any way represents a general opinion. Again what sticks in the claw I suppose is the fact that there has been little official acknowledgement by the SC in these type of pieces of the anger and alienation of large parts of the fanbase during years when many were extremely disillusioned with the previous regime. In fact the message was always constructive and 'we are supporting Nick Higgs etc'. But a small issue like this promotes that kind of reaction - I don't remember sarky comments and club titles put in italics when we were relegated out of the league but denying an open top bus tour - well that truly is the final straw......
5. The comments by Padstow and HarryBuckle are really noticeable. They are basically along the lines of 'no one appreciates what the SC does' so 's**t or get off the pot' with a fair amount of snipey 'youngsters don't know their born' attitude thrown in for good measure. The thing is though it's looking at the issue the wrong way round. The questions should surely be 'how can we attract more gasheads to be members?' and 'how do we adapt to the new circumstances?' instead it seems to be 'how can we carry on doing what we've always done and why the hell don't people appreciate it anymore?'. I agree that 3,500 SC members is lower than it should be for a club of Rovers size but too often the position seems to be 'my shop is going under because no one is coming to buy my things anymore - what a bunch of b'stards they are'. The SC needs to evolve somewhat and the new owners should be a catalyst and it should be seen as a positive thing for everybody involved - not as something to be worried about and threatened by or that requires some sort of clearing out of good people who work extremely hard on behalf of supporters and the club. The SC seems like a somewhat outdated organisation stuck in a different era to many people but it still clearly has a major role to play. It is indeed archaic that you can't join online (although the website itself has massively improved over the last 18 months). I joined an organisation of 40 members through an online set-up the other day; it's just the way the modern world works works. Young people deal in web pages, online engagement and mobile phone apps. Not cheques, newsletters and public meetings - and the reason they do that is that those things save everybody shedloads of money, time and effort and can reach larger numbers of people much more quickly and efficiently. Things that don't do that are actively off putting and appear increasingly distant and irrelevant to younger generations. Many people do many wonderful things for the football club through the SC but they would be better appreciated if the organisation itself recognised that the nature, expectations and mechanisms for being a supporter have changed drastically over the last 20 years, that people expect active 2 way engagement with organisations they are a part of and that the role of the SC seems likely to be pretty different in the future and that maybe a wider conversation with the whole fanbase about what it is they might want from the organisation might be quite a good start. That should be a positive thing not a stand off row with people being stupidly defensive on the one hand and unnecessary sniping at good people on the other.
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Post by PeterHooper57 on May 25, 2016 5:49:33 GMT
Whats the big problem ? Jim wanted a parade around the streets of Kingwood, Hamer did not, end-of. IMO no need to celebrate a third place, lets move on to div 1. UTG
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Post by Rex on May 25, 2016 6:25:15 GMT
I've not been checking the forum regularly for a while because I've not had time but bloody hell that was a depressing read from start to finish.
1. The original comments seem unfortunate and out of touch with the mood of the fanbase. It wasn't the points made so much as the way they were made. It's amazing how people move into line though - if this had been last year and Higgs had said we won't have an open top bus tour I'm quite confident a lot of the people who claimed this was 'a sensible move' would have been saying it was another example of a board with no sense of PR and no respect for the supporters. As it happens I kind of think there should have been one really and it might have been quite nice. But that's about it - to use what is a reasonable expression of disappointment as a jumping off point to criticise not just the new owners but aspects of our own supporters (Gloucester Road Drinkers) sticks in the claw. Especially as I can never remember that tone ever being adopted in relation to the previous board who, to the best of my knowledge, rarely received so much as a rebuke in that column despite overseeing relegation out of the league and record debts. It's that obvious inconsistency which I think upsets and the 'better supporters than you' tone.
2. Having said that the actual issue is an absurd storm in a teacup - it's an argument over whether or not to have an open top bus tour for crying outloud! May I suggest those who would like to watch an open top bus tour go and spend the afternoon in Bath where they can observe plenty of them to their hearts content (some of them may even be blue and white) - whereas those who appear to violently object to open top bus tours could perhaps spend the afternoon in Swindon where they will be largely unbothered by this hitherto underrated menace to society. The idea that this should be on some level a resigning issue for the Supporters Club Chairman or a line in the sand moment for anyone is ridiculous. I think a lot has been inferred here from very little in order to rake over a load of old grudges.
3. A constructive conversation about the future of the Supporters Club is, I think, quite important but unfortunately that is not really what has been had here. Instead there has been on the one hand some over the top reaction to an ill-judged piece on the one hand and some ludicrous hyper-defensive sniping on the other.
4. I think a lot of the criticism of the SC on this thread has come from a position of condemning past actions rather than thinking about future ones which is disappointing. On the flip side the reactions of those defending the SC kind of conforms to the stereotype that it was linked to the bunker 'with us or against us' mentality of the Higgs era. The idea that the SC represents the supporters views is a new one on me to be honest - I have been a member for 10 years and never had my views canvassed or particularly expected them to be. For most of that time my experience of the SC has been as a quietly efficient voluntary fundraising organisation that provided well run services for supporters and carried out a substantial number of (generally more minor but nevertheless important) matchday operations - which it does very well and largely thanklessly (Jim Chappel's point there was entirely fair). But I think that if the Supporters Club Chairman is going to claim that his opinion represents the views of supporters then he should have a mechanism for listening to those supporters views as a whole rather than just the people who come up to talk to him before the game because that is a long chalk short of a general view of Rovers fans on anything. If on the other hand who he is really speaking for is the volunteers on matchday and the views of his committee then he is fully entitled to do so but shouldn't claim it in any way represents a general opinion. Again what sticks in the claw I suppose is the fact that there has been little official acknowledgement by the SC in these type of pieces of the anger and alienation of large parts of the fanbase during years when many were extremely disillusioned with the previous regime. In fact the message was always constructive and 'we are supporting Nick Higgs etc'. But a small issue like this promotes that kind of reaction - I don't remember sarky comments and club titles put in italics when we were relegated out of the league but denying an open top bus tour - well that truly is the final straw......
5. The comments by Padstow and HarryBuckle are really noticeable. They are basically along the lines of 'no one appreciates what the SC does' so 's*** or get off the pot' with a fair amount of snipey 'youngsters don't know their born' attitude thrown in for good measure. The thing is though it's looking at the issue the wrong way round. The questions should surely be 'how can we attract more gasheads to be members?' and 'how do we adapt to the new circumstances?' instead it seems to be 'how can we carry on doing what we've always done and why the hell don't people appreciate it anymore?'. I agree that 3,500 SC members is lower than it should be for a club of Rovers size but too often the position seems to be 'my shop is going under because no one is coming to buy my things anymore - what a bunch of b******s they are'. The SC needs to evolve somewhat and the new owners should be a catalyst and it should be seen as a positive thing for everybody involved - not as something to be worried about and threatened by or that requires some sort of clearing out of good people who work extremely hard on behalf of supporters and the club. The SC seems like a somewhat outdated organisation stuck in a different era to many people but it still clearly has a major role to play. It is indeed archaic that you can't join online (although the website itself has massively improved over the last 18 months). I joined an organisation of 40 members through an online set-up the other day; it's just the way the modern world works works. Young people deal in web pages, online engagement and mobile phone apps. Not cheques, newsletters and public meetings - and the reason they do that is that those things save everybody shedloads of money, time and effort and can reach larger numbers of people much more quickly and efficiently. Things that don't do that are actively off putting and appear increasingly distant and irrelevant to younger generations. Many people do many wonderful things for the football club through the SC but they would be better appreciated if the organisation itself recognised that the nature, expectations and mechanisms for being a supporter have changed drastically over the last 20 years, that people expect active 2 way engagement with organisations they are a part of and that the role of the SC seems likely to be pretty different in the future and that maybe a wider conversation with the whole fanbase about what it is they might want from the organisation might be quite a good start. That should be a positive thing not a stand off row with people being stupidly defensive on the one hand and unnecessary sniping at good people on the other. Hear Hear to all of that.
Regarding being able to join online thing, I wonder how many would join if that option was available. I know I would, I did use to join every year, and I always did it at the start of the season when you could join when you went into the bar behind the Blackthorn End. I rarely go in that bar now, so just never bothered joining again, if it was a click away I would do it.
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Post by harrybuckle on May 25, 2016 6:54:50 GMT
that's the trouble with youngsters of today ..want free streaming,free books,free music and everything online pay by swipe card ...they never had so good ...bet they wanted open top bus tour as a beamback rather than standing on a wet street in Kingswood ...we fought the war and now we got keyboard warriors who have never written a cheque in their lives.
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Post by strung out on May 25, 2016 8:20:17 GMT
The funny thing is that I'm not sure if the above post is self parody or not. Sterling work Harry
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Post by fanatical on May 25, 2016 9:10:06 GMT
Sums up how the SC has progressed (not) under the current Chairman Overseen two promotions in successive seasons he must take credit for something ..Shirley !
I was actually referring to the Chairman of the SC and how it is still in the dark ages - not sure how the SC Chair takes any credit for the promotions!
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Post by drasim on May 25, 2016 10:39:59 GMT
I've not been checking the forum regularly for a while because I've not had time but bloody hell that was a depressing read from start to finish.
1. The original comments seem unfortunate and out of touch with the mood of the fanbase. It wasn't the points made so much as the way they were made. It's amazing how people move into line though - if this had been last year and Higgs had said we won't have an open top bus tour I'm quite confident a lot of the people who claimed this was 'a sensible move' would have been saying it was another example of a board with no sense of PR and no respect for the supporters. As it happens I kind of think there should have been one really and it might have been quite nice. But that's about it - to use what is a reasonable expression of disappointment as a jumping off point to criticise not just the new owners but aspects of our own supporters (Gloucester Road Drinkers) sticks in the claw. Especially as I can never remember that tone ever being adopted in relation to the previous board who, to the best of my knowledge, rarely received so much as a rebuke in that column despite overseeing relegation out of the league and record debts. It's that obvious inconsistency which I think upsets and the 'better supporters than you' tone.
2. Having said that the actual issue is an absurd storm in a teacup - it's an argument over whether or not to have an open top bus tour for crying outloud! May I suggest those who would like to watch an open top bus tour go and spend the afternoon in Bath where they can observe plenty of them to their hearts content (some of them may even be blue and white) - whereas those who appear to violently object to open top bus tours could perhaps spend the afternoon in Swindon where they will be largely unbothered by this hitherto underrated menace to society. The idea that this should be on some level a resigning issue for the Supporters Club Chairman or a line in the sand moment for anyone is ridiculous. I think a lot has been inferred here from very little in order to rake over a load of old grudges.
3. A constructive conversation about the future of the Supporters Club is, I think, quite important but unfortunately that is not really what has been had here. Instead there has been on the one hand some over the top reaction to an ill-judged piece on the one hand and some ludicrous hyper-defensive sniping on the other.
4. I think a lot of the criticism of the SC on this thread has come from a position of condemning past actions rather than thinking about future ones which is disappointing. On the flip side the reactions of those defending the SC kind of conforms to the stereotype that it was linked to the bunker 'with us or against us' mentality of the Higgs era. The idea that the SC represents the supporters views is a new one on me to be honest - I have been a member for 10 years and never had my views canvassed or particularly expected them to be. For most of that time my experience of the SC has been as a quietly efficient voluntary fundraising organisation that provided well run services for supporters and carried out a substantial number of (generally more minor but nevertheless important) matchday operations - which it does very well and largely thanklessly (Jim Chappel's point there was entirely fair). But I think that if the Supporters Club Chairman is going to claim that his opinion represents the views of supporters then he should have a mechanism for listening to those supporters views as a whole rather than just the people who come up to talk to him before the game because that is a long chalk short of a general view of Rovers fans on anything. If on the other hand who he is really speaking for is the volunteers on matchday and the views of his committee then he is fully entitled to do so but shouldn't claim it in any way represents a general opinion. Again what sticks in the claw I suppose is the fact that there has been little official acknowledgement by the SC in these type of pieces of the anger and alienation of large parts of the fanbase during years when many were extremely disillusioned with the previous regime. In fact the message was always constructive and 'we are supporting Nick Higgs etc'. But a small issue like this promotes that kind of reaction - I don't remember sarky comments and club titles put in italics when we were relegated out of the league but denying an open top bus tour - well that truly is the final straw......
5. The comments by Padstow and HarryBuckle are really noticeable. They are basically along the lines of 'no one appreciates what the SC does' so 's*** or get off the pot' with a fair amount of snipey 'youngsters don't know their born' attitude thrown in for good measure. The thing is though it's looking at the issue the wrong way round. The questions should surely be 'how can we attract more gasheads to be members?' and 'how do we adapt to the new circumstances?' instead it seems to be 'how can we carry on doing what we've always done and why the hell don't people appreciate it anymore?'. I agree that 3,500 SC members is lower than it should be for a club of Rovers size but too often the position seems to be 'my shop is going under because no one is coming to buy my things anymore - what a bunch of b******s they are'. The SC needs to evolve somewhat and the new owners should be a catalyst and it should be seen as a positive thing for everybody involved - not as something to be worried about and threatened by or that requires some sort of clearing out of good people who work extremely hard on behalf of supporters and the club. The SC seems like a somewhat outdated organisation stuck in a different era to many people but it still clearly has a major role to play. It is indeed archaic that you can't join online (although the website itself has massively improved over the last 18 months). I joined an organisation of 40 members through an online set-up the other day; it's just the way the modern world works works. Young people deal in web pages, online engagement and mobile phone apps. Not cheques, newsletters and public meetings - and the reason they do that is that those things save everybody shedloads of money, time and effort and can reach larger numbers of people much more quickly and efficiently. Things that don't do that are actively off putting and appear increasingly distant and irrelevant to younger generations. Many people do many wonderful things for the football club through the SC but they would be better appreciated if the organisation itself recognised that the nature, expectations and mechanisms for being a supporter have changed drastically over the last 20 years, that people expect active 2 way engagement with organisations they are a part of and that the role of the SC seems likely to be pretty different in the future and that maybe a wider conversation with the whole fanbase about what it is they might want from the organisation might be quite a good start. That should be a positive thing not a stand off row with people being stupidly defensive on the one hand and unnecessary sniping at good people on the other. Hear Hear to all of that.
Regarding being able to join online thing, I wonder how many would join if that option was available. I know I would, I did use to join every year, and I always did it at the start of the season when you could join when you went into the bar behind the Blackthorn End. I rarely go in that bar now, so just never bothered joining again, if it was a click away I would do it.
Hi all, forum lurker here - just felt this is a good point to reply: I would join online, definitely. Looking at an online membership form page and then seeing 'cheque' and a bunch of dots to put your information in is bizarre to me. Using modern technology to fill out mail order forms. Also, I would think that a change of e-mail address would be a good idea, the current one on that page looks like a freebie from someone's home internet connection 15 years ago. I don't understand why it's not something like admin@bristolroverssc.co.uk Edit: an article there from yesterday quotes: "Over the last few months we have been improving the BRSC online membership facility. In June you will once again be able to join BRSC online as well as by phone or through personal contact." So I assume in a week or so we'll see fully integrated online membership forms.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 11:09:29 GMT
Hear Hear to all of that.
Regarding being able to join online thing, I wonder how many would join if that option was available. I know I would, I did use to join every year, and I always did it at the start of the season when you could join when you went into the bar behind the Blackthorn End. I rarely go in that bar now, so just never bothered joining again, if it was a click away I would do it.
Hi all, forum lurker here - just felt this is a good point to reply: I would join online, definitely. Looking at an online membership form page and then seeing 'cheque' and a bunch of dots to put your information in is bizarre to me. Using modern technology to fill out mail order forms. Also, I would think that a change of e-mail address would be a good idea, the current one on that page looks like a freebie from someone's home internet connection 15 years ago. I don't understand why it's not something like admin@bristolroverssc.co.uk Edit: an article there from yesterday quotes: "Over the last few months we have been improving the BRSC online membership facility. In June you will once again be able to join BRSC online as well as by phone or through personal contact." So I assume in a week or so we'll see fully integrated online membership forms. Questions not directed at you, just following on from the points you raise. Are the SC still doing the regional social 'meet ups'? If so, does Jim attend so that he's in touch with what us great unwashed are actually thinking? He's already said that he's busy on match days, so probably not much opportunity for him to 'press the flesh' then.
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Post by Peter Parker on May 25, 2016 11:21:22 GMT
Looks like you will be able to join online
♠ HAVE YOUR SAY – You can vote in the elections for the BRSC Fans Directors on the BRFC Board of Directors. You can attend the Q & A events with key BRFC staff. You can stand for election for a key post yourself.
♠ PRIORITY ON ALL TICKET MATCHES – You want to see the big games. It won’t prevent some queuing but the Bristol Rovers Supporters Club members have the chance to buy tickets before they go on general sale.
♠ USE OF AWAY TRAVEL – A convenient and popular way to travel to see Rovers away matches. You travel more cheaply as a member when using the Supporters Club coaches.
♠ ACCESS TO SUPPORTERS CLUB BAR – Use of Bristol Room match day bar at home games. Have a drink before and after the game. Watch highlights of the game while using the facilities at the Mem.
♠ RECEIVE SUPPORTERS CLUB NEWS FIRST – Members newsletters are sent out throughout the season. Make sure that your email address is updated if you wish to receive the electronic newsletters.
We are very keen to develop and improve our range and quality of provision in the future.
Members who have skills and the time to offer their talents will be warmly welcomed.
BRSC_LOGO_ENGRAVATEC
The 2016/17 BRSC Membership officially begins on the 1st of June 2016 and runs until May 31st 2017.
As soon as BRFC inform us that 2017/18 season tickets are to be issued we suspend BRSC membership.
When selling season tickets we will then offer BRSC membership for the 2017/18 season.
This has usually been around the end of February or early March in recent years.
Over the last few months we have been improving the BRSC online membership facility.
In June you will once again be able to join BRSC online as well as by phone or through personal contact.
£11 for Adults.
£5.50 for Concessions.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 25, 2016 12:05:31 GMT
Hi all, forum lurker here - just felt this is a good point to reply: I would join online, definitely. Looking at an online membership form page and then seeing 'cheque' and a bunch of dots to put your information in is bizarre to me. Using modern technology to fill out mail order forms. Also, I would think that a change of e-mail address would be a good idea, the current one on that page looks like a freebie from someone's home internet connection 15 years ago. I don't understand why it's not something like admin@bristolroverssc.co.uk Edit: an article there from yesterday quotes: "Over the last few months we have been improving the BRSC online membership facility. In June you will once again be able to join BRSC online as well as by phone or through personal contact." So I assume in a week or so we'll see fully integrated online membership forms. Questions not directed at you, just following on from the points you raise. Are the SC still doing the regional social 'meet ups'? If so, does Jim attend so that he's in touch with what us great unwashed are actually thinking? He's already said that he's busy on match days, so probably not much opportunity for him to 'press the flesh' then. He's often in the clubhouse bar if you actually want to talk him, probably not before August though
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 12:46:05 GMT
Questions not directed at you, just following on from the points you raise. Are the SC still doing the regional social 'meet ups'? If so, does Jim attend so that he's in touch with what us great unwashed are actually thinking? He's already said that he's busy on match days, so probably not much opportunity for him to 'press the flesh' then. He's often in the clubhouse bar if you actually want to talk him, probably not before August though Thanks for that, but it wasn't the question. But I'll play along with you, just for the heck of it. Does he make an effort to shake hands, introduce himself, ask for opinions and ideas, then find the same people a couple of weeks later when they've had a chance to think things over, or at the very least, give people a SC business card with the SC website address on it and point them towards the 'suggestions' area where they can leave feedback?
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 25, 2016 14:02:04 GMT
He's often in the clubhouse bar if you actually want to talk him, probably not before August though Thanks for that, but it wasn't the question. But I'll play along with you, just for the heck of it. Does he make an effort to shake hands, introduce himself, ask for opinions and ideas, then find the same people a couple of weeks later when they've had a chance to think things over, or at the very least, give people a SC business card with the SC website address on it and point them towards the 'suggestions' area where they can leave feedback? I'll play along as well then. No idea about the regional meetings, though I thought I read somewhere that Ken dealt with those. Not being Jim's stalker I don't know who he talks to or shakes hands with, last time I had his company he launched into a tedious story about Gordon Bennett so I left. As to what I thought your point was (Jim talking to supporters to gauge their feelings) wouldn't that happen just as well in the clubhouse bar as at regional meetings? Or our you saying fans at regional meetings are more important? Either way Jim is there if you want to have a chat.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 14:15:38 GMT
Thanks for that, but it wasn't the question. But I'll play along with you, just for the heck of it. Does he make an effort to shake hands, introduce himself, ask for opinions and ideas, then find the same people a couple of weeks later when they've had a chance to think things over, or at the very least, give people a SC business card with the SC website address on it and point them towards the 'suggestions' area where they can leave feedback? I'll play along as well then. No idea about the regional meetings, though I thought I read somewhere that Ken dealt with those. Not being Jim's stalker I don't know who he talks to or shakes hands with, last time I had his company he launched into a tedious story about Gordon Bennett so I left. As to what I thought your point was (Jim talking to supporters to gauge their feelings) wouldn't that happen just as well in the clubhouse bar as at regional meetings? Or our you saying fans at regional meetings are more important? Either way Jim is there if you want to have a chat. Ken and BSS clearly have a vested interest in attending those meetings, but that's another story for another day. Interesting to note that although Harry insists that there are regular meetings involving them and the FC hierarchy, when questioned in a recent radio interview, although he was across all other subjects, the Chairman seemed totally unaware of what the role of the SC directors was. It's nothing for you and I to fall out over, just a question of perception. I would have thought that the Chairman of the SC should do a little more than sit in the same bar on a match day, shouldn't he be out and about, meeting the membership? I guess the question is, should the SC be what the EC think it should be, or should they find out what the supporters want and, as far as possible, mould the SC around that?
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 25, 2016 14:22:05 GMT
I'll play along as well then. No idea about the regional meetings, though I thought I read somewhere that Ken dealt with those. Not being Jim's stalker I don't know who he talks to or shakes hands with, last time I had his company he launched into a tedious story about Gordon Bennett so I left. As to what I thought your point was (Jim talking to supporters to gauge their feelings) wouldn't that happen just as well in the clubhouse bar as at regional meetings? Or our you saying fans at regional meetings are more important? Either way Jim is there if you want to have a chat. Ken and BSS clearly have a vested interest in attending those meetings, but that's another story for another day. Interesting to note that although Harry insists that there are regular meetings involving them and the FC hierarchy, when questioned in a recent radio interview, although he was across all other subjects, the Chairman seemed totally unaware of what the role of the SC directors was. It's nothing for you and I to fall out over, just a question of perception. I would have thought that the Chairman of the SC should do a little more than sit in the same bar on a match day, shouldn't he be out and about, meeting the membership? I guess the question is, should the SC be what the EC think it should be, or should they find out what the supporters want and, as far as possible, mould the SC around that? Don't know where Jim is supposed to go to meet supporters but I'll have a guess that there are more supporters in the clubhouse bars after a match than turn up at any regional meetings. If the EC and Chairman aren't doing what the supporters want then the supporters should vote them out at the next elections. Simples. As to the supporters directors I'll guess they'll be allowed no more input to the running of the club than they were allowed under the old board. Which I guess is supported by the radio interview you heard.
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