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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 1:56:01 GMT
The old R/R site has been sold and work underway trading estate hotel and such When, and for how much? This is by far the best location, close to road, main bus, and rail links. 5/6 pubs in walking distance. stokers, , i cant think of any others ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 8:03:30 GMT
I saw the interview with the new owner and thought that he seemed a bit guarded when asked about UWE, I thought that maybe he doesn't like the scheme so I wouldn't be surprised if it just fizzles out. He did say that a new stadium is needed,so it will be interesting to see what alternatives they come up with.
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 21, 2016 8:04:30 GMT
I've been told (third-hand) that the UWE stadium is unlikely to happen due to the terms of the lease. I am very keen to see what our eminent new owners have got lined up, because I'm afraid they're about to look a gifthorse in the mouth. So we've waited eons for this, a wealthy owner prepared to pay off our debt, which I believe he's already done, and now we've got a "my friend knows this, and my friend of a friend knows this" stuff is appearing over these sites like melanomas, we must all try and believe, try and enjoy, talk about our league position and please try and let the new owners do their work!! I will be astounded if there is a better site in north Bristol than a the UWE let alone the thought of us going through another 3/4 years of planning permissions and 106 agreements, and nimby's objecting, with the subsequent legal eagles on here going through the court particular's!!!! I am sure they would want to build on land with deveopment opportunities and PP. However unlike before We needed over peoples money and doing deals with partners. The Al-Qadi's will surely what to negotiate better terms for them and the club
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 8:07:00 GMT
I've been told (third-hand) that the UWE stadium is unlikely to happen due to the terms of the lease. I am very keen to see what our eminent new owners have got lined up, because I'm afraid they're about to look a gifthorse in the mouth. So we've waited eons for this, a wealthy owner prepared to pay off our debt, which I believe he's already done, and now we've got a "my friend knows this, and my friend of a friend knows this" stuff is appearing over these sites like melanomas, we must all try and believe, try and enjoy, talk about our league position and please try and let the new owners do their work!! I will be astounded if there is a better site in north Bristol than a the UWE let alone the thought of us going through another 3/4 years of planning permissions and 106 agreements, and nimby's objecting, with the subsequent legal eagles on here going through the court particular's!!!! It was Brian Seymour-Smith who said it originally. And I don't believe the debt has been paid either. They've said they'll pay it off "over time". Which I'm fairly sure is what the last board were planning to do too
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 8:17:04 GMT
Apart from the original demolition, I'm not aware of any development works underway on the site in question. There is currently some building work (hotel, retail units, etc) further north and on the other side of the A38. That's the site in question, the site which runs alongside Gypsy Patch. Construction work commenced several weeks ago.
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Post by Alveston Gas on Feb 21, 2016 8:55:40 GMT
He is certainly no mug so he is going to look into the whole scheme and get the best deal that suits him or possibly look elsewhere.
I think he or the Chairman said on BBCRB that it's a great site and location but the deal needs to be right & I guess that means adfitional development around any potential stadium to incorporate addition revenue streams - hotels, shops etc.
To just jump in and build what the previous regime had planned would not be in his best long term interests.
I still think they will negotiate a better deal and build at UWE - it suits both parties but I'm very hopefully the new regime has this at the very top of their Agenda!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 9:13:27 GMT
He is certainly no mug so he is going to look into the whole scheme and get the best deal that suits him or possibly look elsewhere. I think he or the Chairman said on BBCRB that it's a great site and location but the deal needs to be right & I guess that means adfitional development around any potential stadium to incorporate addition revenue streams - hotels, shops etc. To just jump in and build what the previous regime had planned would not be in his best long term interests. I still think they will negotiate a better deal and build at UWE - it suits both parties but I'm very hopefully the new regime has this at the very top of their Agenda! I agree with this and it helps support the view by some that there were many unanswered questions about the original scheme which didn't support a viable stadium. The big bonus is the site does have planning permission so if a more attractive deal can be struck with UWE it still might be the best option.
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Post by Igitur on Feb 21, 2016 9:34:52 GMT
Not having to win the game against Sainsbury's may explain why NH jumped now rather than waiting for the court's decision.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Feb 21, 2016 9:44:10 GMT
If he's been negotiating with us for 5 months the chances are he or his representatives have already identified alternative sites and are talking to the local authorities about potential pp.
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Post by Blue Mist on Feb 21, 2016 9:46:13 GMT
He was never going to come out and say that the stadium will be built at UWE come what may because that's effectively throwing all your cards on the table; he'd having nothing to negotiate with and UWE would just inflate the price knowing that. If he states that unless he can renegotiate more favourable terms we may pull out it puts BRFC in a much stronger position and the ball firmly in the court of UWE.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Feb 21, 2016 10:14:20 GMT
Higgs was a desperate man at the end and everyone knew it, we are now negotiating from a position of strength.
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Post by Alveston Gas on Feb 21, 2016 10:41:46 GMT
My interpretation of event so far is that Mr Al-Qadi is in a far better position to negotiate with UWE, S Glos, HP or anyone else for that matter than the previous Board.
I have confidence he will deliver a stadium in due course & I wouldn't be surprised if it's not far bigger and better than we could ever imagine
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 10:59:50 GMT
I've been told (third-hand) that the UWE stadium is unlikely to happen due to the terms of the lease. I am very keen to see what our eminent new owners have got lined up, because I'm afraid they're about to look a gifthorse in the mouth. So we've waited eons for this, a wealthy owner prepared to pay off our debt, which I believe he's already done, and now we've got a "my friend knows this, and my friend of a friend knows this" stuff is appearing over these sites like melanomas, we must all try and believe, try and enjoy, talk about our league position and please try and let the new owners do their work!! I will be astounded if there is a better site in north Bristol than a the UWE let alone the thought of us going through another 3/4 years of planning permissions and 106 agreements, and nimby's objecting, with the subsequent legal eagles on here going through the court particular's!!!! I doubt there is a better site. What the new owner has implied is that there has to be a better deal. I interpreted that from his interview nothing to do with a friend of a friend. I am so pleased that Higgs never got it built as it sounds like the deal wasn't in the best interest of whoever owns the stadium. Let's hope Wael can get the deal he is looking for.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Feb 21, 2016 11:23:23 GMT
Listen to the Chairman talking to Twentypence on Friday night. It is clear that the new owners do want to build the stadium at UWE to be original spec, although he thought it was 23,000 initial capacity because he seemed to be guessing, However, he mentioned the commercial opportunities of being next to UWE, MoD, and HP and that ideally we would own it 100% but that if it had to be a partnership with UWE we would have to accept it.
I took from this that they fully intend to build UWE but are going to try and buy the freehold.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Feb 21, 2016 11:23:33 GMT
That Civil Services Sports Club and Muller Rd recreation ground is a massive site. Used to play for their Regional League team there on a sloping pitch. Do people still play land hockey there?
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Post by The Gas on Feb 21, 2016 12:52:29 GMT
Sorry if this sounds NH bashing but UWE were beginning to screw us, remember, there is no signed Contract between UWE and BRFC.
I would hazard a guess that they do want to build at UWE but not at any price. They will tell UWE what they want, how much they are prepared to pay and say if you do not agree we will go elsewhere.
S Glous would be unhappy if it was elsewhere, even if it's in S Glous and hopefully will apply max pressure on UWE. UWE could be left with a vacant site.
People will soon realise that they are no longer dealing with a reasonably wealthy builder but with mega rich individuals who invariably get what they want.
On a totally different aspect and nothing to do with the thread title, I bet Barclays Bank would now jump at the chance of providing credit facilities to "little old Bristol Rovers", that brings a very broad smile to my face.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 21, 2016 12:55:28 GMT
Listen to the Chairman talking to Twentypence on Friday night. It is clear that the new owners do want to build the stadium at UWE to be original spec, although he thought it was 23,000 initial capacity because he seemed to be guessing, However, he mentioned the commercial opportunities of being next to UWE, MoD, and HP and that ideally we would own it 100% but that if it had to be a partnership with UWE we would have to accept it. I took from this that they fully intend to build UWE but are going to try and buy the freehold. That's how I read it, they hope to get the freehold but will have to accept the leasehold if that's the only alternative? One thing I could never understand is why the UWE/NH was prepared to waive the naming rights of the staduim, imagine the sponsorship we could pull in per season if we ever got to the Championship or even Premiership. As far as the UWE not making a profit from the land, why don't they sell it at cost price on the basis that we'll build the car park, or some other facilitie(s), free of charge in exchange? You sense Wael probably sees the UWE site as a massive investment opportunity which attracted him to the club over any other in Europe, whilst we still give NH stick he found the the site for the club. If Wael can develop the site we could become a very wealthy self sufficient club, although hard to believe that's true after years of supporting rag bag Rovers!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 13:04:24 GMT
Listen to the Chairman talking to Twentypence on Friday night. It is clear that the new owners do want to build the stadium at UWE to be original spec, although he thought it was 23,000 initial capacity because he seemed to be guessing, However, he mentioned the commercial opportunities of being next to UWE, MoD, and HP and that ideally we would own it 100% but that if it had to be a partnership with UWE we would have to accept it. I took from this that they fully intend to build UWE but are going to try and buy the freehold. That's how I read it, they hope to get the freehold but will have to accept the leasehold if that's the only alternative? One thing I could never understand is why the UWE/NH was prepared to waive the naming rights of the staduim, imagine the sponsorship we could pull in per season if we ever got to the Championship or even Premiership. As far as the UWE not making a profit from the land, why don't they sell it at cost price on the basis that we'll build the car park, or some other facilitie(s), free of charge in exchange? You sense Wael probably sees the UWE site as a massive investment opportunity which attracted him to the club over any other in Europe, whilst we still give NH stick he found the the site for the club. If Wael can develop the site we could become a very wealthy self sufficient club, although hard to believe that's true after years of supporting rag bag Rovers! I don't want to convene a witch hunt, but, for the record, no he didn't. UWE approached the club. NH dropped the approved plans for the Mem and went for that option.
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 21, 2016 13:13:29 GMT
I've been told (third-hand) that the UWE stadium is unlikely to happen due to the terms of the lease. I am very keen to see what our eminent new owners have got lined up, because I'm afraid they're about to look a gifthorse in the mouth. So we've waited eons for this, a wealthy owner prepared to pay off our debt, which I believe he's already done, and now we've got a "my friend knows this, and my friend of a friend knows this" stuff is appearing over these sites like melanomas, we must all try and believe, try and enjoy, talk about our league position and please try and let the new owners do their work!! I will be astounded if there is a better site in north Bristol than a the UWE let alone the thought of us going through another 3/4 years of planning permissions and 106 agreements, and nimby's objecting, with the subsequent legal eagles on here going through the court particular's!!!! I'm sure you're a lovely chat, and you're just enthusiastic, but posts like this get my goat. 1. Who are you to tell people what to talk about? 2. I'm pretty this discussion isn't stopping our new owners from getting on with anything.
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 21, 2016 13:17:43 GMT
Here we are two days into ownership and somebody comes out with this. Can we not just wait and see what happens? or is that too much to expect?
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