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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 23:18:56 GMT
Or, he goes there and doesn't play. Im sure Darrell would bring him back. Im also sure that Ellis would be thankful to Darrell for that chance. Maybe he would be allowed to go on loan somewhere else.Or, he goes there and performs poorly. He still comes back fitter and happier that he got the game time that he wanted.Or, he goes there, scores a boatload and doesn't want to come back. Like what happened with Gaffney. I would be very surprised though that Harrison would want to leave us to be honest for many reasons. But for arguments sake, say he doesnt want to come back, then so be it. Darrell already said we can use the loan market.Lots of things could happen, but in the meantime it leaves us a player short on the bench. No it wont.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 23:38:12 GMT
There's no conspiracy theory, but you won't convince me we're 'better off' for having loaned a good player out at a pivotal point in the season. Thats fine, if I cant convince you then fair enough. Just seems strange to me that you rather have a good player being unhappy about his lack of game time. If he is not in Darrell's starting 11 plans for the next month then please answer where is the harm of him going out on loan to get the game time he needs meaning he comes back happy and hopefully proved himself to Darrell that he can start games? You dont seem to be answering questions put forth to you. You mention its a pivotal point of the season but if he aint in Darrell's starting 11 plans for the next month anyway then where is the harm? Only negative thing I can see is he comes back injured. But there is a lot more positives than this negative. Say he comes back injured. Darrell has already said he can loan in another player and we got cover with Bodin too. You mention 'better off'.... how about he will be fitter? how about he will be happier? what about if he scores past Accrington, Cambridge, Notts Co and Exeter = all who he will be playing within the next month and all who are chasing a play off spot. His goals past these teams would benefit us obviously. Im not trying to have a go at you, I really not. Im just struggling to understand your issue here that you cant see anything good from this. Strange. Have a go all you like, I'm not bothered Why would he be happier if he goes away, scores a few, and returns to our bench? A recent signing did that and described it as being "caught by the bollocks". All this talk of "Bodin can cover" misses the point. We'd be weaker with him up front than with Ellis. That's not a good thing. If, and based on his recent form its highly speculative anyway, Ellis does well in the next month, then I'd have rather he'd done it for us, from the bench or having forced his way into the starting line up. DC has never shown much sign of picking his team weeks in advance, and I don't believe him if he has said he's started to do that now. Far too much can happen in a month of football. Hartlepool aren't a good side, and playing in a poor side rarely works wonders for players confidence. We are weaker without Ellis on the bench. And it probably means Taylor will be back on penalties. That's not a good thing either!
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Post by Bridgeman on Jan 17, 2016 23:59:11 GMT
Thats fine, if I cant convince you then fair enough. Just seems strange to me that you rather have a good player being unhappy about his lack of game time. If he is not in Darrell's starting 11 plans for the next month then please answer where is the harm of him going out on loan to get the game time he needs meaning he comes back happy and hopefully proved himself to Darrell that he can start games? You dont seem to be answering questions put forth to you. You mention its a pivotal point of the season but if he aint in Darrell's starting 11 plans for the next month anyway then where is the harm? Only negative thing I can see is he comes back injured. But there is a lot more positives than this negative. Say he comes back injured. Darrell has already said he can loan in another player and we got cover with Bodin too. You mention 'better off'.... how about he will be fitter? how about he will be happier? what about if he scores past Accrington, Cambridge, Notts Co and Exeter = all who he will be playing within the next month and all who are chasing a play off spot. His goals past these teams would benefit us obviously. Im not trying to have a go at you, I really not. Im just struggling to understand your issue here that you cant see anything good from this. Strange. Have a go all you like, I'm not bothered Why would he be happier if he goes away, scores a few, and returns to our bench? A recent signing did that and described it as being "caught by the bollocks". All this talk of "Bodin can cover" misses the point. We'd be weaker with him up front than with Ellis. That's not a good thing. If, and based on his recent form its highly speculative anyway, Ellis does well in the next month, then I'd have rather he'd done it for us, from the bench or having forced his way into the starting line up. DC has never shown much sign of picking his team weeks in advance, and I don't believe him if he has said he's started to do that now. Far too much can happen in a month of football. Hartlepool aren't a good side, and playing in a poor side rarely works wonders for players confidence. We are weaker without Ellis on the bench. And it probably means Taylor will be back on penalties. That's not a good thing either!
Taylor is first choice penalty taker, Ellis only takes them when Matty is off the pitch
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 0:02:47 GMT
Have a go all you like, I'm not bothered Why would he be happier if he goes away, scores a few, and returns to our bench? A recent signing did that and described it as being "caught by the bollocks". All this talk of "Bodin can cover" misses the point. We'd be weaker with him up front than with Ellis. That's not a good thing. If, and based on his recent form its highly speculative anyway, Ellis does well in the next month, then I'd have rather he'd done it for us, from the bench or having forced his way into the starting line up. DC has never shown much sign of picking his team weeks in advance, and I don't believe him if he has said he's started to do that now. Far too much can happen in a month of football. Hartlepool aren't a good side, and playing in a poor side rarely works wonders for players confidence. We are weaker without Ellis on the bench. And it probably means Taylor will be back on penalties. That's not a good thing either!
Taylor is first choice penalty taker, Ellis only takes them when Matty is off the pitch I know, but I have more confidence in Ellis taking them.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jan 18, 2016 0:23:39 GMT
Taylor is first choice penalty taker, Ellis only takes them when Matty is off the pitch I know, but I have more confidence in Ellis taking them. I wonder if Rory is any good at taking penalties ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 1:12:08 GMT
We can always recall him! Only after the first 28 days of the loan provided there is a clause in the contract.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 1:28:56 GMT
Have a go all you like, I'm not bothered Ok, I will then Why would he be happier if he goes away, scores a few, and returns to our bench? A recent signing did that and described it as being "caught by the bollocks". If he scores a few, who says he will return to our bench? He may force Darrell's hand if he done well out on loan. He will be happier though regardless of form. All he wants is regular football. Rovers are letting him. He will be grateful.All this talk of "Bodin can cover" misses the point. We'd be weaker with him up front than with Ellis. That's not a good thing. How will we be weaker? Ellis aint starting games so our starting 11 remains the same - not weaker. Our first sub striker is usually Easter so again still not weaker. As Darrell said, if needed, we also got Bodin as cover. If, and based on his recent form its highly speculative anyway, Ellis does well in the next month, then I'd have rather he'd done it for us, from the bench or having forced his way into the starting line up. DC has never shown much sign of picking his team weeks in advance, and I don't believe him if he has said he's started to do that now. Far too much can happen in a month of football. In non league, Ellis was a super sub. When he wasnt starting he was 1st option on the bench where he was getting on the pitch regularly and sometimes were 30 minutes plus in games. But now, Easter is 1st option from the bench. Ellis dont get any time on the pitch now. He wont get many chances now to force his way into starting games. However he may get this chance if he does very well out on loan. This is what Ellis wants to do. If Darrell had plans to start Ellis in the next month then I doubt he would allow the deal to happen. Hartlepool aren't a good side, and playing in a poor side rarely works wonders for players confidence. He is just going for game time. Any good form will be a bonus.We are weaker without Ellis on the bench. Ok, I get this point. But sometimes we dont even use Ellis from the bench. Surely game time for a month elsewhere is better than sitting on our bench getting a few minutes in some games. Keeping him unhappy at the club and on the bench just purely out of 'our bench will be weaker without him', would royally piss him off. And it probably means Taylor will be back on penalties. That's not a good thing either! If Ellis stays, he will be lucky to get much game time. He will need to be lucky enough for Rovers to get a penalty in the last 5 minutes of each game and for our penalty taker (Taylor) to be off the pitch. I cant see Ellis getting many chances to score off the bench any other way because he wont get the game time to do so because 3 others are ahead of him.I trust Darrell that he knows what he is doing.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jan 18, 2016 1:33:17 GMT
Gaffney caused Cambridge to request a fee after proving his goal scoring credentials whilst on loan - that's a nice problem
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Post by mrbluesky on Jan 18, 2016 2:03:58 GMT
i like this loan,ellis hasnt really performed this season in truth
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jan 18, 2016 5:55:30 GMT
If he nabs the winner against Accrington on Tuesday then it's a very smart move :-)
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Post by Bernard Briggs on Jan 18, 2016 8:01:04 GMT
i like this loan,ellis hasnt really performed this season in truth And I don`t. I`d far rather have kept Ellis, and sent Easter up to Hartlepool.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 18, 2016 8:34:35 GMT
I see it more as DC making himself crystal clear that there is no issues with the player and he isn't forcing him out. Ellis has a loyal fan club, the manager is making sure that he doesn't get an undeserved whipping because he let him go up to Hartlepool. I'm hoping that the final piece in the transfer jigsaw is the signing of Tubbs, that would be a masterstroke by Higgs, and a huge final statement that he has given his manager 100% backing. I'm not a fan of Higgs, but he could win back a huge number of supporters in this window. Don't forget the same Nick Higgs who brought in Alan Gow and got rid of our only attacking threat, that showed any real enthusiasm in Eliot Richards. I always worry when the chairmen are involved. This, in my opinion, really should be a managers shout. I don't see why we couldn't keep Ellis. I feel that in Gaffney, we have a players that will allow players such as Taylor and Harrison the time and space to shine but there you go. This is Bristol Rovers eh, a club where the opportunity to interrupt and irritate is never passed by So are you calling our manager a liar ? the Manager has said it was down to Ellis wanting some game time - i don't have a problem with that. no different than sending any other player out on loan just like JL is Now you are saying it was Nick Higgs who wanted him to go ? Why would Nick Higgs want to do that ? Save Money ? I don't think a few pounds saved is going to make any difference to our bank balance
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 18, 2016 9:50:09 GMT
Clearly Ellis at his stage of his career needs game time and if he stays at Mem is unlikely to start so the loan makes sense. He has made little impression this season compared to last season against better defenders and his time at Hartlepool will focus his mind and hopefully return a better/match fit player.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Jan 18, 2016 9:52:55 GMT
Clearly Ellis at his stage of his career needs game time and if he stays at Mem is unlikely to start so the loan makes sense. He has made little impression this season compared to last season against better defenders and his time at Hartlepool will focus his mind and hopefully return a better/match fit player. & that is all there is to it. Some of the drama/outrage people kick up is embarrassing at times. It's 4 weeks, we haven't just bombed him out and tore up any contracts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 10:03:16 GMT
Clearly Ellis at his stage of his career needs game time and if he stays at Mem is unlikely to start so the loan makes sense. He has made little impression this season compared to last season against better defenders and his time at Hartlepool will focus his mind and hopefully return a better/match fit player. & that is all there is to it. Some of the drama/outrage people kick up is embarrassing at times. It's 4 weeks, we haven't just bombed him out and tore up any contracts. ^^ This^^
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Post by severnbeachline on Jan 18, 2016 10:11:51 GMT
Also he's still only 21. It's really not that weird for a player who's only had one full season in non-league to be loaned out for experience.
Cheer up chaps, we're 4th!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 10:12:17 GMT
Listen to Darrell here about the deal. Then you will see there is no issue and only benefits all parties. Just over 3 minutes in.
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 18, 2016 10:50:21 GMT
That doesn't sound to me like a Matty Tubbs is coming in and to be honest if there is not a replacement coming in this week then we go into Plymouth game with a weaker squad. Ridiculous decision UNLESS someone is coming in.
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Post by dido on Jan 18, 2016 11:01:49 GMT
Just when we thought you weren't going to question DC again, Steve!
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Post by mrbluesky on Jan 18, 2016 11:27:01 GMT
i like this loan,ellis hasnt really performed this season in truth And I don`t. I`d far rather have kept Ellis, and sent Easter up to Hartlepool. maybe but if ellis gets games and scores goals up there he could come back and play like he did at the end of last season for the run in?
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