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Stuart Taylor
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Post by LPGas on Jul 14, 2015 10:18:51 GMT
First thing is we must make sure that they do not build anymore shops in Bristol, or extend. Anything that needs planning permission we object to. That's a start isn't it?
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Stuart Taylor
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Post by LPGas on Jul 14, 2015 10:20:11 GMT
You people are weak j S Sainsbury have manipulated contract law to the full, and the judge has just gone with the big corporate v little guy. Screw moving on, why not a war on sainsburies. Get your backbone and get revenge. This isn't a minor disagreement. This has cost out club big time. They are to blame. Not Higgs. sainsburies are to blame. Reneged. Rovers drafted a crap contract and Sainsbury's took advantage of a legal route out of the contract, the worst thing that can be said of Sainsbury's is that they weren't as diligent at preparing an appeal against the planing refusal as they might have been, but that was not the finding of judge. Rovers legal team was led by a QC, a rank attained by an elite few, so I struggle to swallow this argument that we lost because it's some fight between David and Goliath. The fact we allowed this to go to court when we probably could have negotiated an amicable settlement a year ago is yet another failure that the BoD should be help accountable for. Fact is, Sainsbury's owe us nothing, they have a responsibility to their shareholders, they have a responsibility to obey the law, they do not have a responsibility to act contrary to their own interests in order to help Bristol Rovers Football Club. We are not entitled to any sort of revenge or restitution against Sainsbury's, to argue otherwise is childish, petulant and uppity. The BoD on the other hand do have a responsibility to the club, they have failed to act in our best interests and they are to blame. Not Sainsbury's. SAINSBURYS drafted the contract
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 10:22:05 GMT
First thing is we must make sure that they do not build any more shops in Bristol, or extend. Anything that needs planning permission we object to. That's a start isn't it? Doesn't that sound a bit like Carstairs?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 10:22:59 GMT
Rovers drafted a crap contract and Sainsbury's took advantage of a legal route out of the contract, the worst thing that can be said of Sainsbury's is that they weren't as diligent at preparing an appeal against the planing refusal as they might have been, but that was not the finding of judge. Rovers legal team was led by a QC, a rank attained by an elite few, so I struggle to swallow this argument that we lost because it's some fight between David and Goliath. The fact we allowed this to go to court when we probably could have negotiated an amicable settlement a year ago is yet another failure that the BoD should be help accountable for. Fact is, Sainsbury's owe us nothing, they have a responsibility to their shareholders, they have a responsibility to obey the law, they do not have a responsibility to act contrary to their own interests in order to help Bristol Rovers Football Club. We are not entitled to any sort of revenge or restitution against Sainsbury's, to argue otherwise is childish, petulant and uppity. The BoD on the other hand do have a responsibility to the club, they have failed to act in our best interests and they are to blame. Not Sainsbury's. SAINSBURYS drafted the contract Even more reason to make 100% sure you are comfortable with all of the detail and terms.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 10:37:31 GMT
Rovers drafted a crap contract and Sainsbury's took advantage of a legal route out of the contract, the worst thing that can be said of Sainsbury's is that they weren't as diligent at preparing an appeal against the planing refusal as they might have been, but that was not the finding of judge. Rovers legal team was led by a QC, a rank attained by an elite few, so I struggle to swallow this argument that we lost because it's some fight between David and Goliath. The fact we allowed this to go to court when we probably could have negotiated an amicable settlement a year ago is yet another failure that the BoD should be help accountable for. Fact is, Sainsbury's owe us nothing, they have a responsibility to their shareholders, they have a responsibility to obey the law, they do not have a responsibility to act contrary to their own interests in order to help Bristol Rovers Football Club. We are not entitled to any sort of revenge or restitution against Sainsbury's, to argue otherwise is childish, petulant and uppity. The BoD on the other hand do have a responsibility to the club, they have failed to act in our best interests and they are to blame. Not Sainsbury's. SAINSBURYS drafted the contract Of course they did, and some fool signed it.
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eppinggas
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 14, 2015 11:02:50 GMT
To be fair (and I am not a Higgs fan) - we had very little choice other than to sign the contract in front of us. If our solicitors had gone back with any significant alterations to the standard shamesbury's contract - then they would have just told us to p*ss off. I guess we signed and crossed our fingers that it wouldn't come back and bite us. It did.
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 14, 2015 11:26:19 GMT
The 'problem'is more with the advice that the Board received in taking a very expensive action against shamesbury's in the High Court. The Judgement looks clear. If we had such little chance of success - why did we try? Either we had very bad legal advice - or we have a very stubborn Chairman who refused to accept that his dream of a new Stadium was dead (for now). Either way - let's hope this is the last of anything to do with the Courts. Let's move on. There will be outside investors out there. Keep the faith.
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Peter Parker
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 14, 2015 11:30:50 GMT
To be fair (and I am not a Higgs fan) - we had very little choice other than to sign the contract in front of us. If our solicitors had gone back with any significant alterations to the standard shamesbury's contract - then they would have just told us to p*ss off. I guess we signed and crossed our fingers that it wouldn't come back and bite us. It did. Yes and no, we signed it simply because they were the only one daft enough to give us the money we required.
We chased the money. and how many of us questioned how the finances stacked up to build UWE?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 12:33:48 GMT
Cost them money as there actions have cost our club I think some people have got the wrong idea about protesting. It's not about inconveniencing Sainsbury's staff, it's about getting media coverage, it's about embarrassing Sainsburys, protesting can be a very good way of causing grief to the target, if it's done correctly. One scenario could be that 20 to 30 gasheads cross the road in front of the supermarket and then turn around a cross it again and again. It will cause gridlock in the surrounding area, yes the police will come and when the tell you to stop, you stop, and go home. No laws have been broken. The next day, ditto, it's not about effecting Sainsbury prophets or sales. The end game is to get the national media to investigate Sainsbury actions and to seriously question the way they run their business and their bully boy ethics. No colors would be worn by the protesters, no mention of it being anything to do with the club, we don't want to any backlash. Just citizen's protesting about supermarket ethics. Off you go then. Let us know when you start and I'll look out for the national media going large on Sainsbury's. Is it likely to be on Channel 4? If it's supermarket ethics that you and the other dynamoes are using as your moral high ground to justify spending every day of the rest of your life drifting backwards and forwards across the Abbey Wood roundabout, can you mention farmgate milk prices? Ta.
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Thatslife
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Post by Thatslife on Jul 14, 2015 14:37:35 GMT
I think some people have got the wrong idea about protesting. It's not about inconveniencing Sainsbury's staff, it's about getting media coverage, it's about embarrassing Sainsburys, protesting can be a very good way of causing grief to the target, if it's done correctly. One scenario could be that 20 to 30 gasheads cross the road in front of the supermarket and then turn around a cross it again and again. It will cause gridlock in the surrounding area, yes the police will come and when the tell you to stop, you stop, and go home. No laws have been broken. The next day, ditto, it's not about effecting Sainsbury prophets or sales. The end game is to get the national media to investigate Sainsbury actions and to seriously question the way they run their business and their bully boy ethics. No colors would be worn by the protesters, no mention of it being anything to do with the club, we don't want to any backlash. Just citizen's protesting about supermarket ethics. Sainsbury's have their own prophets? No wonder they know exactly how to word contracts. Is that the best you can do? auto correction by my Samsung is not always kind . Newfathers4justice.co.uk is a very good example of a simple way to effectively protest, their protest campaign, usually just one man dressed in a costume, being somewhere he shouldn't be, got national press coverage. I am sure bridgeman knows all about that incident. Just shows what can be done with a little imagination.
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Thatslife
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Post by Thatslife on Jul 14, 2015 14:45:29 GMT
I think some people have got the wrong idea about protesting. It's not about inconveniencing Sainsbury's staff, it's about getting media coverage, it's about embarrassing Sainsburys, protesting can be a very good way of causing grief to the target, if it's done correctly. One scenario could be that 20 to 30 gasheads cross the road in front of the supermarket and then turn around a cross it again and again. It will cause gridlock in the surrounding area, yes the police will come and when the tell you to stop, you stop, and go home. No laws have been broken. The next day, ditto, it's not about effecting Sainsbury prophets or sales. The end game is to get the national media to investigate Sainsbury actions and to seriously question the way they run their business and their bully boy ethics. No colors would be worn by the protesters, no mention of it being anything to do with the club, we don't want to any backlash. Just citizen's protesting about supermarket ethics. Off you go then. Let us know when you start and I'll look out for the national media going large on Sainsbury's. Is it likely to be on Channel 4? If it's supermarket ethics that you and the other dynamoes are using as your moral high ground to justify spending every day of the rest of your life drifting backwards and forwards across the Abbey Wood roundabout, can you mention farmgate milk prices? Ta. "Spending every day of the rest of your life" nah I'll leave that to the bitter and twisted on here who will spend all their time posting negative comment about other people's posts because they have no original thoughts of their own.
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Post by interceptor on Jul 14, 2015 14:53:32 GMT
Sainsbury's have their own prophets? No wonder they know exactly how to word contracts. Is that the best you can do? auto correction by my Samsung is not always kind . Newfathers4justice.co.uk is a very good example of a simple way to effectively protest, their protest campaign, usually just one man dressed in a costume, being somewhere he shouldn't be, got national press coverage. I am sure bridgeman knows all about that incident. Just shows what can be done with a little imagination. Come on - that's a great one from Bamber.
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Post by The Concept on Jul 14, 2015 17:47:18 GMT
I can't understand the mentality of suggesting we protest against Sainsbury's as does anybody seriously think they'll hand over £30m because a few Gasheads form a picket line? No, I don't think anyone thinks that they'll hand over £30m. How about I no longer shop at Sainsburys because I feel deceived, betrayed and let down by them - can you understand that?
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Rex
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Post by Rex on Jul 14, 2015 18:01:30 GMT
You people are weak j S Sainsbury have manipulated contract law to the full, and the judge has just gone with the big corporate v little guy. Screw moving on, why not a war on sainsburies. Get your backbone and get revenge. This isn't a minor disagreement. This has cost out club big time. They are to blame. Not Higgs. sainsburies are to blame. Reneged. So will you be protesting? Or only if others do it as well?
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 14, 2015 18:05:45 GMT
just amazing the amount of wordly wise on here........after the event!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 18:07:59 GMT
just amazing the amount of wordly wise on here........after the event!!! Some people have been saying for the best part of 2 years that the contract would have an expiry date and that would be Sainsbury's 'out' of the deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 18:08:59 GMT
Who is organising the protest?
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 14, 2015 18:12:24 GMT
just amazing the amount of wordly wise on here........after the event!!! Some people have been saying for the best part of 2 years that the contract would have an expiry date and that would be Sainsbury's 'out' of the deal. yep know that and could see it coming, but those who now know, and spouting about Higgs this Higgs that, were knowhere during this scenario
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 18:37:35 GMT
Some people have been saying for the best part of 2 years that the contract would have an expiry date and that would be Sainsbury's 'out' of the deal. yep know that and could see it coming, but those who now know, and spouting about Higgs this Higgs that, were knowhere during this scenario Well, whilst I'm sure that there will be some 20/20 hindsight going on, in fairness, Higgs kept the content of the contract as secret as he could manage, so all we could do is try to piece together what was going on from very limited information. Whilst Higgs himself had seen the contract, presumably he read it, he would, you would imagine have been advised by his legal people of the red flags, and he still signed it. Maybe the legal people let him down, in which case, if he either doesn't appeal Judy's decision or loses that appeal then he may well want to talk to them about what's happened.
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Post by thecyclist on Jul 14, 2015 18:41:05 GMT
just amazing the amount of wordly wise on here........after the event!!! Equally amazing is those who fail to see that the deadly duo who have headed this fiasco have been ruthlessly exposed, not so much Rovers legends Smash 'n Grab, more like the Chuckle Brothers. Higgs and Watola should have fallen on their swords after the relegation, but they didn't and now this. It didn't need hindsight to predict the outcome, the writ was taken apart on this forum and the faith shown by a few fans of the chairman and his side-kick quite touching, but the pair of them have been found out, good and proper.
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