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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 14, 2015 18:47:08 GMT
Problem is NH owns over 50% of the club, if he wants to remain in control he will. He also has the advantage of the feel good factor of promotion so there's little chance of Blackpool like protests come the start of the season.
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 14, 2015 18:59:14 GMT
Problem is NH owns over 50% of the club, if he wants to remain in control he will. He also has the advantage of the feel good factor of promotion so there's little chance of Blackpool like protests come the start of the season. i think the "feel good" factor has taken a rather hefty knock!!
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Post by bluebeard on Jul 14, 2015 19:48:22 GMT
I think some people have got the wrong idea about protesting. It's not about inconveniencing Sainsbury's staff, it's about getting media coverage, it's about embarrassing Sainsburys, protesting can be a very good way of causing grief to the target, if it's done correctly. One scenario could be that 20 to 30 gasheads cross the road in front of the supermarket and then turn around a cross it again and again. It will cause gridlock in the surrounding area, yes the police will come and when the tell you to stop, you stop, and go home. No laws have been broken. The next day, ditto, it's not about effecting Sainsbury prophets or sales. The end game is to get the national media to investigate Sainsbury actions and to seriously question the way they run their business and their bully boy ethics. No colors would be worn by the protesters, no mention of it being anything to do with the club, we don't want to any backlash. Just citizen's protesting about supermarket ethics. Off you go then. Let us know when you start and I'll look out for the national media going large on Sainsbury's. Is it likely to be on Channel 4? If it's supermarket ethics that you and the other dynamoes are using as your moral high ground to justify spending every day of the rest of your life drifting backwards and forwards across the Abbey Wood roundabout, can you mention farmgate milk prices? Ta. If I was personally affected by farmgate milk prices I would certainly give it a mention. But I'm not so I won't. There was a direct reference by Sainsburys to PR implications during the court hearing. It's a shame we don't have a few more dynamos because getting off your arse and doing something can make a difference. But I guess it's much easier to take the piss from the comfort of your armchair
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Post by timothyq on Jul 14, 2015 19:51:49 GMT
SAINSBURYS drafted the contract Of course they did, and some fool signed it. I came late to the forum today I missed this bit of logic! It made me think of some god awful film I saw a few years ago featuring some slimy guy who had the following exchange with some girl he was cracking onto: Girl: I've got a boyfriend. Slime ball: I've got a goldfish Girl: What? Slime Ball: Oh, I thought we were listing things that didn't matter.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 14, 2015 19:59:49 GMT
just amazing the amount of wordly wise on here........after the event!!! Some people have been saying for the best part of 2 years that the contract would have an expiry date and that would be Sainsbury's 'out' of the deal. Oh dear, like a communist re-writing of history. Actually no-one mentioned an expiry date until it went to court. Of course some still deny that they said it would never ever get to court.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 20:15:37 GMT
Some people have been saying for the best part of 2 years that the contract would have an expiry date and that would be Sainsbury's 'out' of the deal. Oh dear, like a communist re-writing of history. Actually no-one mentioned an expiry date until it went to court. Of course some still deny that they said it would never ever get to court. Wrong. LIS remembers, obviously you don't.
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Post by dogbert on Jul 14, 2015 20:25:12 GMT
Oh dear, like a communist re-writing of history. Actually no-one mentioned an expiry date until it went to court. Of course some still deny that they said it would never ever get to court. Wrong. LIS remembers, obviously you don't. yeah I remember us discussing the termination date last August when poring over the writ that Rovers issued.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 20:27:40 GMT
Wrong. LIS remembers, obviously you don't. yeah I remember us discussing the termination date last August when poring over the writ that Rovers issued. Fair enough, well remembered. It was suggested long before that though, going back as far as the previous forum.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 14, 2015 20:33:17 GMT
Oh dear, like a communist re-writing of history. Actually no-one mentioned an expiry date until it went to court. Of course some still deny that they said it would never ever get to court. Wrong. LIS remembers, obviously you don't. Really? Bet no-one could dig it up though. Still keep massaging your ego, it doesn't like you being wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 20:47:04 GMT
Wrong. LIS remembers, obviously you don't. Really? Bet no-one could dig it up though. Still keep massaging your ego, it doesn't like you being wrong. No problem whatsoever with being wrong and admitting it, but on this subject I'm not. Here you go, I'll give you this one for free. When the evidence had been presented, based on what was reported here and on the club's websites, I posted that my opinion was that Sainsbury's were technically within their rights to walk away but because of the method they employed to arrive at that position they had caused Rovers expense and would end up paying costs. I was wrong.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 14, 2015 21:00:07 GMT
Really? Bet no-one could dig it up though. Still keep massaging your ego, it doesn't like you being wrong. No problem whatsoever with being wrong and admitting it, but on this subject I'm not. Here you go, I'll give you this one for free. When the evidence had been presented, based on what was reported here and on the club's websites, I posted that my opinion was that Sainsbury's were technically within their rights to walk away but because of the method they employed to arrive at that position they had caused Rovers expense and would end up paying costs. I was wrong. You were wrong about it even getting to court as well. And I was wrong in favouring us for a result. Quite easy this admitting the truth lark.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 22:09:24 GMT
Some people have been saying for the best part of 2 years that the contract would have an expiry date and that would be Sainsbury's 'out' of the deal. Oh dear, like a communist re-writing of history. Actually no-one mentioned an expiry date until it went to court. Of course some still deny that they said it would never ever get to court. I remember them. Onerous conditions and Rovers2 read and dissected what was in the public domain and after consulting his legals predicted that the club was f***ed and shouldn't take it to court.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 23:03:30 GMT
Who is organising the protest? Lord Lucan I would think, such is the likely hood of more than half a dozen Gasheads protesting about anything, ever, speaking to a Bradford fan today about our situation, he said I bet your fans are up in arms about it, no I replied, business as usual and the chairman will continue, unchallenged, to drag the club below sea level. He was gob smacked saying I know you bumpkins are a laid back sort but come on I thought you were supposed to be a passionate bunch, don't you have any pride?, impossible to give a sensible reply having not agreed with 90% of fans reactions, so the conversation quickly turned back to live music and real ale. On the bright side we have a new follower now from Grassington in Yorkshire now who is bemused at our 'support' of the worst chairman in our history, one more Gashead from afar to add to the ranks of lunatics!
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Post by Bridgeman on Jul 14, 2015 23:13:30 GMT
Who is organising the protest? Lord Lucan I would think, such is the likely hood of more than half a dozen Gasheads protesting about anything, ever, speaking to a Bradford fan today about our situation, he said I bet your fans are up in arms about it, no I replied, business as usual and the chairman will continue, unchallenged, to drag the club below sea level. He was gob smacked saying I know you bumpkins are a laid back sort but come on I thought you were supposed to be a passionate bunch, don't you have any pride?, impossible to give a sensible reply having not agreed with 90% of fans reactions, so the conversation quickly turned back to live music and real ale. On the bright side we have a new follower now from Grassington in Yorkshire now who is bemused at our 'support' of the worst chairman in our history, one more Gashead from afar to add to the ranks of lunatics! I think he is confused with 'support' and no 'viable alternative' ! Does Bradford's chairman own more than 50% of the club ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 23:24:47 GMT
Lord Lucan I would think, such is the likely hood of more than half a dozen Gasheads protesting about anything, ever, speaking to a Bradford fan today about our situation, he said I bet your fans are up in arms about it, no I replied, business as usual and the chairman will continue, unchallenged, to drag the club below sea level. He was gob smacked saying I know you bumpkins are a laid back sort but come on I thought you were supposed to be a passionate bunch, don't you have any pride?, impossible to give a sensible reply having not agreed with 90% of fans reactions, so the conversation quickly turned back to live music and real ale. On the bright side we have a new follower now from Grassington in Yorkshire now who is bemused at our 'support' of the worst chairman in our history, one more Gashead from afar to add to the ranks of lunatics! I think he is confused with 'support' and no 'viable alternative' ! Does Bradford's chairman own more than 50% of the club ? Ah that well worn chesnut, no viable alternative, almost forgot the unique position of our club that no one in the entire world will in invest in and we must continue to trust in the clueless clown to destroy the pride of the club.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jul 14, 2015 23:43:10 GMT
I think he is confused with 'support' and no 'viable alternative' ! Does Bradford's chairman own more than 50% of the club ? Ah that well worn chesnut, no viable alternative, almost forgot the unique position of our club that no one in the entire world will in invest in and we must continue to trust in the clueless clown to destroy the pride of the club. That seems about to sum it up I reckon, although I'm not too sure about the 'trust in' bit, I think I'd substitute 'suffer with' ? Of course, if you know of a viable alternative, please get in touch with Nick pronto please so you can put many of us out of our misery and probably Nick too.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 15, 2015 7:11:35 GMT
Oh dear, like a communist re-writing of history. Actually no-one mentioned an expiry date until it went to court. Of course some still deny that they said it would never ever get to court. I remember them. Onerous conditions and Rovers2 read and dissected what was in the public domain and after consulting his legals predicted that the club was f***ed and shouldn't take it to court. but we were going to "smash" them weren't we
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 9:11:27 GMT
No problem whatsoever with being wrong and admitting it, but on this subject I'm not. Here you go, I'll give you this one for free. When the evidence had been presented, based on what was reported here and on the club's websites, I posted that my opinion was that Sainsbury's were technically within their rights to walk away but because of the method they employed to arrive at that position they had caused Rovers expense and would end up paying costs. I was wrong. You were wrong about it even getting to court as well. And I was wrong in favouring us for a result. Quite easy this admitting the truth lark. Have slept on this and honestly can't remember ever saying that it wouldn't get to court. It's now being reported that our own legal geezers were saying in court that we were not going to win, so maybe it shouldn't have been allowed to go as far as it did.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 9:28:44 GMT
it doesn't matter now, re Sainsburys, does it. I do recall speculation as to how they could get out of it and the question was asked if there was a time limit in the contract. But of course none of us actually knew.
Given that Judge picked it out, I am surprised that the clubs own lawyers did not. Perhaps they did but the nebulous "Best Efforts" argument prevailed. Astonishing as that is, almost as astonishing that Higgs and Watola did not realise.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 9:33:05 GMT
Ah that well worn chesnut, no viable alternative, almost forgot the unique position of our club that no one in the entire world will in invest in and we must continue to trust in the clueless clown to destroy the pride of the club. That seems about to sum it up I reckon, although I'm not too sure about the 'trust in' bit, I think I'd substitute 'suffer with' ? Of course, if you know of a viable alternative, please get in touch with Nick pronto please so you can put many of us out of our misery and probably Nick too. Bridgey, such is mine, yours and thousands of others loyalty to the FC that causes endless hours of worry it did get me thinking about solutions, much has been said in the past about if 1000 people paid x in advance or 2000 people paid y in advance it would generate £m's, the level of trust is in the minus scale for the majority as NH seems incapable of stringing a sentence together that feels like the truth. So having read what lots of people are thinking about in using there own time to protest against Sainsburys it got me thinking, one thing that so many fans used to be good at prior to current and past directors splitting the fan base was contributing their time on a voluntary basis, so a potential solution that woke me up in the middle of last night (yes very sad to be dreaming about it) was for a group of organised fans to do the marketing of the club as being up for sale, and look for online places where investors can be found, there has to be between say 20-30 people willing to generate publicity online publicity for the FC, given that people are willing to generate bad publicity for Sainsburys why not just use the energy to get the name of the club out there, i'm sure i'm not the only person who works in online sales and marketing and wants to see the club rescued from its current predicament.
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