kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 26, 2015 13:37:06 GMT
@geoffdunford: @m_b_1972 yes Matt. When we enquired we were told it was too political to let us attend. #UTG I have very little interest in this subject but as regards settling the petty argument this does strike me as something in the realm of 'game, set and match'. I'll say this much - the ridiculous defensiveness of people who claim to be closer to the club and some of the people involved, and the refusal to acknowledge any possible fault on their part makes me more sympathetic in the other direction. There is no humility coming out of the club, yet so much to be humble about. Instead, there continues to be a bizarre paranoia and insecurity which appears to manifest itself in a closing of ever smaller ranks and something along the lines of 'don't ask any questions, don't expect any answers and if it must happen it will happen entirely on the terms of those doing the answering'. It's like a closed club of people that takes great pleasure in creating a siege mentality of 'us' against 'them'. It's pretty unappealing, has achieved nothing except implementing a 'my way or the high way' view and in the long run it's just not a sustainable way to run anything. Great post and exactly as I see it. For clarification it was me who started the comments, not Kevin. It's a great shame many of us now only do away games due to this mentality. I am cutting my nose to spite my face but I just can't go while it goes on. I know a few will be happy with this and that's ok. I am sure the club will get by without me but can they get by without the many others who have kids who no longer are born into the Rovers way ? I am going to leave it there as it just goes around in circles. Great post Irish.
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Post by brizzle on Feb 26, 2015 14:01:52 GMT
Until I began to post on the old Alternative Forum, I was blissfully unaware of all of the politics that seem to be an integral part of being a Rovers supporter for some. I routinely turned up at games, enjoyed (or not) what was served up as entertainment, and then departed . . . only to return at the next game. Of course I was aware who the Chairman of the day was, and who was on the BoD, but it didn't matter one jot to me as I was only interested in the game you see. Simple pleasures. But since my eyes have now been opened to the goings-on behind the scenes (and is Kevin Spencer the only supporter ever to be banned for a non-violent ''offence'' by the way?), I find day-to-day life at The Mem to be more like an episode from Wolf Hall or The Archers.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 26, 2015 14:22:20 GMT
Copied from Brian Seymour smith
Hi
Not an excuse but it would be wrong of me to discuss financial implications of the club before this has been discussed at the AGM next , Tuesday. For those who are not shareholders,there is always an open session afterwards where all fans can come in and ask questions.
As to Geoff, I agree we owe him and his family our sincere gratitude for the support they have given the club over a great many years. I have no idea why he was not invited and disappointed. The club needs to unite as we continue to move forward.. including 3 more points tonight!
best wishes
Brian
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Post by DudeLebowski on Feb 26, 2015 14:22:49 GMT
So GD didn't get to go to a disco....
Anyway, big game Saturday!
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Post by swissgas on Feb 26, 2015 14:35:43 GMT
But since my eyes have now been opened to the goings-on behind the scenes (and is Kevin Spencer the only supporter ever to be banned for a non-violent ''offence'' by the way?), I find day-to-day life at The Mem to be more like an episode from Wolf Hall or The Archers. I agree with you brizzle but that's part of the fun isn't it ? My wife has consistently criticized me over a number of years for maintaining an interest in Rovers, listening to games and contributing to the forum. She has met some members of the board and understands how Rovers operate and in her opinion any association with such a dysfunctional rabble only has a negative effect on me. I would have tried to ban her but I was worried she may have run off with the Safety Officer. Seriously though, I've read through the thread and I think many posters can see that something isn't right at the club and it's never really going to get any better until the siege mentality is removed and, speaking frankly, younger and better people come in to lead us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 15:14:32 GMT
Every time I read one of BSS's posts I get a sinking feeling but he does make it feel a lot better with his "Best Wishes, Brian". I hope he does wish the best to all of us, I really do.
I only wish to the Mayan Skull.
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Post by toteend on Feb 26, 2015 15:18:15 GMT
I just find it so sad that both fans and directors/ former directors are falling out with each other over anything. Forums are for opinions whether we like them or not, and everyone is entitled to theirs.
My biggest frustration is that anyone other than those banned judicially, should remain banned. Absolute nonsense.
But right now, the most important item on the agenda is getting out of this god forsaken league at the first attempt.
Don't worry, KP, I get just as frustrated as you. But apparently NH said on Saturday that GD hadn't asked for tickets. I suppose the truth is that he probably didn't because he had been told it would be too political. So both sides end up telling the truth. Hence why I get so frustrated.
Anyway, all I want right now is the championship. Everything else has to take second place for the time being.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Feb 26, 2015 15:26:09 GMT
It's a great shame many of us now only do away games due to this mentality. I am cutting my nose to spite my face but I just can't go while it goes on. ......... many others who have kids who no longer are born into the Rovers way ? KP - I'd appeal to you to change your mind on coming to home games and to anyone else that feels this way. Winning our home games is going to be key to getting promotion and passionate fans like yourself are really a benefit to the team in this. To my mind, home games have been really enyoable this season. I also wouldn't despair on the kids no longer born into the Rovers way. As an exciled parent of kids who could much more easily followed their local and more successful sides, my kids were taken to Rovers early on and love it. Even proudly calling their mates glory hunters for changing allegience to more successful teams. From what I have seen at home games, there are plenty of little ones coming to games to keep the tradition going.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Feb 26, 2015 16:11:53 GMT
I don't know what the true story is, but I think you will find that most peoples opinions were that nobody should be barred from the club (with the obvious exceptions)
I am not Geoff's biggest fan, but for better or worse he gave 30 years of his life to BRFC, and I would be disappointed if it was true he was not allowed to attend a club event
Exactly right PP. The majority who have posted on the subject do so arguing what is right and wrong and written into the clubs shareholders agreement is a clause that stipulates that a director who has served 5 years is invited to become a VP of the club. It doesn't state that they should also be refused admittance to official club functions. There is a definite pattern emerging from the very top of BRFC and if people want to ignore it then that is their choice but it's not the all in it together attitude which got us through the Twerton years and endeared so many people to what was a very special club. Still, the team are top of non league and Higgs will be the first on the pitch when we win promotion. On the bright side if we make it a nasty & confrontational atmosphere on that day the police will be waiting for him when he runs on the pitch and he'll get a 3 year banning order from football. Everyone's a winner & GD can have a good chuckle about events.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 16:25:26 GMT
Putting it out there, is it not absolutely pathetic? Like all of it? From the bans to the non-bans to the political reasons to the people "in the know"? I mean we're a sodding non-league club, we're not a big fish. It's not like having the inside track on the dealings of a reasonably sized club. It's all a bit sad.
Play nice you silly middle aged semi-successful business men and you, those "in the know" dafties.
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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 26, 2015 16:27:42 GMT
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Post by dagnogo on Feb 26, 2015 17:08:23 GMT
6 things that are silly:
1. Banning someone for anything other than criminality, violence or racism.
2. Assuming that anyone who writes something you don't like has a "hidden agenda" to bring the club down using the totally ineffective medium of forum posting.
3. Actually having such an agenda (though I don't think anyone does).
4. Thinking that any right-minded footballer or coach is affected by anything said on this or any other messageboard.
5. Thinking that being top of a league we shouldn't even be in = all previous ills are now gone and we are run like any football club should be.
6. Claiming to be "in the know" on the internet - either to impress or patronise online strangers.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 26, 2015 18:04:44 GMT
It's a great shame many of us now only do away games due to this mentality. I am cutting my nose to spite my face but I just can't go while it goes on. ......... many others who have kids who no longer are born into the Rovers way ? KP - I'd appeal to you to change your mind on coming to home games and to anyone else that feels this way. Winning our home games is going to be key to getting promotion and passionate fans like yourself are really a benefit to the team in this. To my mind, home games have been really enyoable this season. I also wouldn't despair on the kids no longer born into the Rovers way. As an exciled parent of kids who could much more easily followed their local and more successful sides, my kids were taken to Rovers early on and love it. Even proudly calling their mates glory hunters for changing allegience to more successful teams. From what I have seen at home games, there are plenty of little ones coming to games to keep the tradition going. Thank God. The last game I attebded was New Years day and I saw very few under 12's. When I started going, with Dad, I always had a lot of other kids to run around with. I just hope we have enough to carry us through. Thanks for the kind post mate. It is appreciated
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 26, 2015 18:05:57 GMT
Exactly right PP. The majority who have posted on the subject do so arguing what is right and wrong and written into the clubs shareholders agreement is a clause that stipulates that a director who has served 5 years is invited to become a VP of the club. It doesn't state that they should also be refused admittance to official club functions. There is a definite pattern emerging from the very top of BRFC and if people want to ignore it then that is their choice but it's not the all in it together attitude which got us through the Twerton years and endeared so many people to what was a very special club. Still, the team are top of non league and Higgs will be the first on the pitch when we win promotion. On the bright side if we make it a nasty & confrontational atmosphere on that day the police will be waiting for him when he runs on the pitch and he'll get a 3 year banning order from football. Everyone's a winner & GD can have a good chuckle about events. That un made I laugh. Thanks
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Post by Alveston Gas on Feb 26, 2015 18:15:57 GMT
6 things that are silly: 1. Banning someone for anything other than criminality, violence or racism. 2. Assuming that anyone who writes something you don't like has a "hidden agenda" to bring the club down using the totally ineffective medium of forum posting. 3. Actually having such an agenda (though I don't think anyone does). 4. Thinking that any right-minded footballer or coach is affected by anything said on this or any other messageboard. 5. Thinking that being top of a league we shouldn't even be in = all previous ills are now gone and we are run like any football club should be. 6. Claiming to be "in the know" on the internet - either to impress or patronise online strangers. 7. Writing silly lists 8. Telling everyone else what to think, believe 9. Going on forums so often the bloody iPad battery is constantly on charge. 10. In fact it's all bloody silly really
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 18:17:40 GMT
To be fair, I wouldn't take anything either of them said without a large pinch of salt and just conclude there's another personal power struggle / ego tussle / stand off / grudge match / whatever festering away, consuming oxygen and good will, and indicating that some people need to reboot their priorities. Does whatever it is really matter? Probably not. Would everyone benefit from them not cluttering the club up, with this sort of thing? Probably. Would they personally benefit from taking up orchid cultivation / yoga / bird watching or something that might be more fulfilling than obsessing over nonsense? Probably. Will they ever change? Probably not.
Like Chewy said, it's a non-league football club. It shouldn't be this complicated.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 26, 2015 18:25:08 GMT
I agree Seth.
Lets make it a pissing competition, because lets be honest, this is exactly what it is.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 26, 2015 18:26:02 GMT
To be fair, I wouldn't take anything either of them said without a large pinch of salt and just conclude there's another personal power struggle / ego tussle / stand off / grudge match / whatever festering away, consuming oxygen and good will, and indicating that some people need to reboot their priorities. Does whatever it is really matter? Probably not. Would everyone benefit from them not cluttering the club up, with this sort of thing? Probably. Would they personally benefit from taking up orchid cultivation / yoga / bird watching or something that might be more fulfilling than obsessing over nonsense? Probably. Will they ever change? Probably not. Like Chewy said, it's a non-league football club. It shouldn't be this complicated. But to hear NH say stuff like without the board there would be no Rovers just rankles. Stating the obvious does no good. Yes, they put money in but so have we abd many more millions than them. The way NH sees and treats us is appalling to say the least. Maybe someone should ask the directors why they don't attend every game ? It's complicated because they made it so. You're right on that it should not be. It's very obvious that NH doesn't give a toss about the fans, that is until he sounds the clarion call to arms. Truth is he made the mistakes that meant more money had to be used to fix. It's his mistakes that were his to fix but we always get the line about how much they put into the can but not why.
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Post by Alveston Gas on Feb 26, 2015 18:31:00 GMT
To be fair, I wouldn't take anything either of them said without a large pinch of salt and just conclude there's another personal power struggle / ego tussle / stand off / grudge match / whatever festering away, consuming oxygen and good will, and indicating that some people need to reboot their priorities. Does whatever it is really matter? Probably not. Would everyone benefit from them not cluttering the club up, with this sort of thing? Probably. Would they personally benefit from taking up orchid cultivation / yoga / bird watching or something that might be more fulfilling than obsessing over nonsense? Probably. Will they ever change? Probably not. Like Chewy said, it's a non-league football club. It shouldn't be this complicated. Sense - thank you Seth Personally I think it will be bird watching.......!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 18:50:33 GMT
To be fair, I wouldn't take anything either of them said without a large pinch of salt and just conclude there's another personal power struggle / ego tussle / stand off / grudge match / whatever festering away, consuming oxygen and good will, and indicating that some people need to reboot their priorities. Does whatever it is really matter? Probably not. Would everyone benefit from them not cluttering the club up, with this sort of thing? Probably. Would they personally benefit from taking up orchid cultivation / yoga / bird watching or something that might be more fulfilling than obsessing over nonsense? Probably. Will they ever change? Probably not. Like Chewy said, it's a non-league football club. It shouldn't be this complicated. But to hear NH say stuff like without the board there would be no Rovers just rankles. Stating the obvious does no good. Yes, they put money in but so have we abd many more millions than them. The way NH sees and treats us is appalling to say the least. Maybe someone should ask the directors why they don't attend every game ? It's complicated because they made it so. You're right on that it should not be. It's very obvious that NH doesn't give a toss about the fans, that is until he sounds the clarion call to arms. Truth is he made the mistakes that meant more money had to be used to fix. It's his mistakes that were his to fix but we always get the line about how much they put into the can but not why. I think that's a wider analysis, and there's an awful lot to audit on that level. I was referring only to the 'oh grow up' vibe whereby GD now seems to be officially persona non grata. We don't know why, but my guess is at least one person's probably being petty, and whatever it is is probably get-overable by all concerned. The man's due a badge, give him a badge. He wants to go to a 'do', fair enough - it probably has a limited appeal anyway, and it might even provide an ambience that would allow bridges to be built. No doubt the 'other side' think some heinous offence has been committed - and this is a man who could sh1t stir for England - but rise above it. It probably doesn't matter, so cancel the grudge match.
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