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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 24, 2016 13:44:17 GMT
I'm in the process of trying to get some other wounds healed and hopefully your aim of all getting along and anyone being able to attend what they want to if legally able wll be achieved shortly and the history consigned to past where it should be. got to wish you good luck with that
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Post by Curly Wurly on Feb 24, 2016 16:20:42 GMT
I fully agree that, in recognition for Geoff's (and Dennis') service to the club, Geoff should be made a Life VP - for what it is worth. Do you get priority on away tickets and a cut price pasty?
I'd imagine that bestowing Life VP status is only in the gift of the (current) board. In this case, I don't even know if Wael Al Qadi or Steve Hamer have even met Geoff (Steve Hamer probably did whilst at Swansea), so some introductions might need to be made.
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Post by Bridgeman on Feb 24, 2016 21:38:52 GMT
Ok, thanks for the clarification as it sidetracked me. I guess that it all now depends to what extent a life VP can manipulate within the club structure. I would really like to think that a line could be drawn under all the went on beforehand BUT I never underestimate the level some will stoop to, to carry on a grudge. Christ on a bike, I've learned a lot just by posting and reading on here & I like to think I can now post without going into the hate filled diatribe that I once did. I have apologised to those who I feel I have unnecessarily offended, some accept it and we move on but some just don't have the capacity to forgive and forget. I hope, for the clubs sake, that ALL Rovers fans can come to a game and not have to have any worries of being told to leave. We have had a long enough period of sniping and counters and it would be great if we all really could just get along. Life really is too short Life VP is a completely 'titular' appointment (some may say the first three letters are quite apt, I couldnt possibly comment) ie a name which carries no authority or power, simply a recognition of past service good or bad People will always have differing opinions on the good and bad bit. Whatever any one thinks rightly or wrongly about what these people did, they did put financial support in when others didnt and if folk didnt do this we'd have been bankrupt decades ago. Historically retiring (as opposed to resigning) directors have attained this title, GD is the only one I know of who hasnt and it would just be another wound healed. I'm in the process of trying to get some other wounds healed and hopefully your aim of all getting along and anyone being able to attend what they want to if legally able wll be achieved shortly and the history consigned to past where it should be. I wish you well in your endeavours, I'm glad there is at least one person mixing with the higher eschelons that knows the history of those who have committed a lot of their time and resources to this club of ours and who are prepared to act to right some of the wrongs that have clouded our past. I wasn't sure but did Geoff retire or resign as a member of the board and would that make a difference to whether he would or could be offered a life Vice Presidency ?
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Post by syg on Feb 24, 2016 22:36:57 GMT
Gd Twitter on the day of the takeover says, "no free tickets yet and not offered a vice presidency". Not clever. Did anybody else hear about the twerton pitch relaying money?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 25, 2016 10:08:20 GMT
Ok, thanks for the clarification as it sidetracked me. I guess that it all now depends to what extent a life VP can manipulate within the club structure. I would really like to think that a line could be drawn under all the went on beforehand BUT I never underestimate the level some will stoop to, to carry on a grudge. Christ on a bike, I've learned a lot just by posting and reading on here & I like to think I can now post without going into the hate filled diatribe that I once did. I have apologised to those who I feel I have unnecessarily offended, some accept it and we move on but some just don't have the capacity to forgive and forget. I hope, for the clubs sake, that ALL Rovers fans can come to a game and not have to have any worries of being told to leave. We have had a long enough period of sniping and counters and it would be great if we all really could just get along. Life really is too short Life VP is a completely 'titular' appointment (some may say the first three letters are quite apt, I couldnt possibly comment) ie a name which carries no authority or power, simply a recognition of past service good or bad People will always have differing opinions on the good and bad bit. Whatever any one thinks rightly or wrongly about what these people did, they did put financial support in when others didnt and if folk didnt do this we'd have been bankrupt decades ago. Historically retiring (as opposed to resigning) directors have attained this title, GD is the only one I know of who hasnt and it would just be another wound healed. I'm in the process of trying to get some other wounds healed and hopefully your aim of all getting along and anyone being able to attend what they want to if legally able wll be achieved shortly and the history consigned to past where it should be. I very much hope that we don't have the old guard try to scuttle any chance of a true reconciliation. I do however feel that there needs to be a real acceptance of the failures, simply so they don't happen again. On a personal note, I would love to see a fans parliaments, much like that lot down the road have. This is a golden opportunity to let the past go and move forward, in unity. I was very happy to see KS saying that he had been impressed so much, by the new owner, that he felt a spark come back. We really do need to let the past go but with real acceptance but sans judgment, of the reasons we were so close to going to the wall. Hey, if I can do it then I believe anyone can. I admit to being immature, angry and petulant and I have had to accept my part in silly arguments and the like. I would be delighted to see many old Rovers fans, back at games. I miss certain and really characterful people and very much
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Post by LPGas on Feb 25, 2016 10:17:40 GMT
look many here will know I've had my disagrements with GD as have ex directors, but they can remain civil on this issue and reflective of the good DD and GD did for the club, as well as the less good times and look at it in a balanced way. I'm amazed some people thinking prior to the recent investment Higgs was right to turn away any money from social events and the like, but I guess that's the degree of apathy he'd managed to get fans to which will now go away. Fact is every former director who had a decent period of service in terms of length of service is a Life Vice President, not to include GD in this is a disgrace and I have to say more of an insult to Denis than anything else. It's a part of the vindictive nature of the previous regime which needs to be wiped from our history.
If nothing else persuades you of this it should be that people banned from golf days and valentines balls under GDs Board all say he should get the same recognition as other previous long serving directors, and yes as others have said even KS, who has more to be pissed of with previous regimes than anyone else I know, has siad this should happen I for one hope the new owners will end all bans, petty vindictive ommissions and exclusions and all Rovers fans, expect criminals, can attend games, golf days, valentines balls and weddings/wakes held at the stadium (yes some cant even come to wedding receptions or wakes for fs sake) The fact is they took the club over when no one else wanted to. they literally saved us from oblivion. It is time to recognise that.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 25, 2016 12:29:09 GMT
Gd Twitter on the day of the takeover says, "no free tickets yet and not offered a vice presidency". Not clever. Did anybody else hear about the twerton pitch relaying money? I was shown that by a friend as both parties have blocked me. It was started by another person. Personally I don't think it's the best of ways to start a reconciliation process and my belief is that it's best addressed by private contact, a letter in the first instance and then make an appointment to talk but then, what do I know. I really and deeply hope that the Twitter sniping and boom talk will now be put to bed. For there to be real healing then we all have our part to play. I don't think that using social media is the best way but Geoff certainly doesn't seem to mind putting it out there. I would hope that we would ALL want to feel that we, once again, have that special gas family feel back. For me, it's always been the Rovers that I've turned to, in bereavement, disease, marriage break ups and so much more. The club and it's fans have been the best mental health help provider of all. I think I've said it before but I always felt that when I saw a pub or other place, full of Rovers then I always felt safe and sound. I lost that feeling around 1999/2000 & have only ever seen glimpses of that old but very comforting feeling. Whilst not wanting to harp on about my own very real and nasty battles, I so hope I am given the grace of being around when we do manage to get a new ground and maybe doing well on the pitch. We have lost a fair few of late and one never knows what is to come. I would urge ALL those disenfranchised, personally slighted and pushed away, to try to approach their "stuff" in a more private manner. I've a feeling that the new owner will have an open mind and will want a united club.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 21:14:44 GMT
Gd Twitter on the day of the takeover says, "no free tickets yet and not offered a vice presidency". Not clever. No - indeed - I saw that too. It was unhelpful, not least towards the idea of the new owners quietly and discreetly making him a VP along with the then incumbents. Nobody, to my knowledge, denies that Geoffrey can be an insufferable pillock, of course. This is a man who once threatened to instruct lawyers in a libel action against me. But despite this, and in a spirit of reconcilliation and of respect for his surname and history, Geoffrey really should receive a vice-presidency now.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 6, 2016 21:21:59 GMT
Gd Twitter on the day of the takeover says, "no free tickets yet and not offered a vice presidency". Not clever. No - indeed - I saw that too. It was unhelpful, not least towards the idea of the new owners quietly and discreetly making him a VP along with the then incumbents. Nobody, to my knowledge, denies that Geoffrey can be an insufferable pillock, of course. This is a man who once threatened to instruct lawyers in a libel action against me. But despite this, and in a spirit of reconcilliation and of respect for his surname and history, Geoffrey really should receive a vice-presidency now. I find it incredibly hypocritical that some of those who are giving BSS stick and used to be enemies with Geoff are the same people now who are lauding him as a man who should get VP. As I see it, Geoff has been every bit as spiteful and vindictive and Higgs but I guess that once Geoff got the wrong side then common ground was reached strange bed fellows indeed. *shakeshead*
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Post by PessimistGas on Mar 6, 2016 21:42:46 GMT
No - indeed - I saw that too. It was unhelpful, not least towards the idea of the new owners quietly and discreetly making him a VP along with the then incumbents. Nobody, to my knowledge, denies that Geoffrey can be an insufferable pillock, of course. This is a man who once threatened to instruct lawyers in a libel action against me. But despite this, and in a spirit of reconcilliation and of respect for his surname and history, Geoffrey really should receive a vice-presidency now. I find it incredibly hypocritical that some of those who are giving BSS stick and used to be enemies with Geoff are the same people now who are lauding him as a man who should get VP. As I see it, Geoff has been every bit as spiteful and vindictive and Higgs but I guess that once Geoff got the wrong side then common ground was reached strange bed fellows indeed. *shakeshead* Petty, spiteful and vindictive person in petty, spiteful and vindictive fued with another petty, spiteful and vindictive person. Should Geoff be a VP? Of course he should, frankly ita embarrassing - it's no wonder the club was is such a state. Pair of pillocks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 21:58:15 GMT
No - indeed - I saw that too. It was unhelpful, not least towards the idea of the new owners quietly and discreetly making him a VP along with the then incumbents. Nobody, to my knowledge, denies that Geoffrey can be an insufferable pillock, of course. This is a man who once threatened to instruct lawyers in a libel action against me. But despite this, and in a spirit of reconcilliation and of respect for his surname and history, Geoffrey really should receive a vice-presidency now. I find it incredibly hypocritical that some of those who are giving BSS stick and used to be enemies with Geoff are the same people now who are lauding him as a man who should get VP. As I see it, Geoff has been every bit as spiteful and vindictive and Higgs but I guess that once Geoff got the wrong side then common ground was reached strange bed fellows indeed. *shakeshead* I'm giving nobody stick, nor am I lauding anybody. And I'm nobody's bedfellow; I'm a duck! But, again in reconciliation and respect, and 'moving on' as I think you called on us to try to before; I am calling for equality for the former Chairmen and board members. Higgs is a VP. Make Ernie (as thanks to you I shall furthermore refer to him) a VP too. Is Ernie really 'spiteful and vindictive'? Yes, alright, he completely is. But we could describe him now as merely 'silly and petty', now that he has no power or rôle, and do so with an air of moral superiority. President Al Qadi and his incumbent Chairmen are the only people with any power at all. The future of the club is in their guardianship now. Everything else is simply respectful window dressing really. Make the previous premiers into VPs, thus show respect for any possible positive historical contributions, then either forgive or forget them all, according to preference. That's my suggestion. It took me some time to get that little hat on the ô of rôle.
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Post by pirateduncan on Mar 7, 2016 19:17:46 GMT
FWIW...
Regardless of the comments above about Geoff on twitter I'd like the football club to treat all with respect and kindness (even reds). Doesn't matter what Geoff did or said, Rovers can be bigger than that. So yes, make him a VP.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 7, 2016 20:12:52 GMT
I find it incredibly hypocritical that some of those who are giving BSS stick and used to be enemies with Geoff are the same people now who are lauding him as a man who should get VP. As I see it, Geoff has been every bit as spiteful and vindictive and Higgs but I guess that once Geoff got the wrong side then common ground was reached strange bed fellows indeed. *shakeshead* I'm giving nobody stick, nor am I lauding anybody. And I'm nobody's bedfellow; I'm a duck! But, again in reconciliation and respect, and 'moving on' as I think you called on us to try to before; I am calling for equality for the former Chairmen and board members. Higgs is a VP. Make Ernie (as thanks to you I shall furthermore refer to him) a VP too. Is Ernie really 'spiteful and vindictive'? Yes, alright, he completely is. But we could describe him now as merely 'silly and petty', now that he has no power or rôle, and do so with an air of moral superiority. President Al Qadi and his incumbent Chairmen are the only people with any power at all. The future of the club is in their guardianship now. Everything else is simply respectful window dressing really. Make the previous premiers into VPs, thus show respect for any possible positive historical contributions, then either forgive or forget them all, according to preference. That's my suggestion. It took me some time to get that little hat on the ô of rôle. I apologise as it wasn't you that I directed that at and I must learn to post these things without quoting others posts as that seems to then be taken as a direct response to that post. I've had some private discussion today and certain points have been explained. As much as I am all for moving forward together,I really do question Geoff Dunford's ability and willingness to do the same. I have personal reason for feeling this way & it's not just some flippant or twee thing. I believe that he would not be able to hold back from certain traits & my opinion is he is spiteful and kind of enjoys kicking something off & then watching, as others take metaphorical chunks out of each other. In the spirit of perestroika, this will be my final comment on it. I honestly don't want to get into it as it was a bad period for me and I really don't need the aggro and back & forth argument. I will now hold my tongue and cease to post on it. Sorry again. My mistake for using your post as a quote. It was an in general comment
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 7, 2016 20:14:47 GMT
I find it incredibly hypocritical that some of those who are giving BSS stick and used to be enemies with Geoff are the same people now who are lauding him as a man who should get VP. As I see it, Geoff has been every bit as spiteful and vindictive and Higgs but I guess that once Geoff got the wrong side then common ground was reached strange bed fellows indeed. *shakeshead* Petty, spiteful and vindictive person in petty, spiteful and vindictive fued with another petty, spiteful and vindictive person. Should Geoff be a VP? Of course he should, frankly ita embarrassing - it's no wonder the club was is such a state. Pair of pillocks. They can afford to pay to watch Rovers in anycase lol
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Post by zfc on Mar 7, 2016 20:22:30 GMT
Is it true that the 2017 Valentines Ball has been cancelled because it`s just not worth the hassle?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 21:24:25 GMT
You've nothing at all to apologise to me for brother, and I'm interested in your opinions, that's partly why we're on gasheads.org, to share and debate our opinions. Sounds like you've had a tough time in your dealings with Ernie, and I empathise, since as I said even I once brought out his litigous streak. He put me right off involving myself with the football club back then; what a wally. I stand by my position on equality of former Chairmen and VP allocation, but it's a relief that these people no longer hold sway. It sounds like the new ownership will behave in much more distanced, discrete, and professional manner anyway.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 7, 2016 23:56:31 GMT
You've nothing at all to apologise to me for brother, and I'm interested in your opinions, that's partly why we're on gasheads.org, to share and debate our opinions. Sounds like you've had a tough time in your dealings with Ernie, and I empathise, since as I said even I once brought out his litigous streak. He put me right off involving myself with the football club back then; what a wally. I stand by my position on equality of former Chairmen and VP allocation, but it's a relief that these people no longer hold sway. It sounds like the new ownership will behave in much more distanced, discrete, and professional manner anyway. Manners cost nothing & I prefer to apologise than to let things get silly nowadays but thank you all the same. It wasn't me that fell foul but the Mrs and #Smirkgate photo. Still waiting for an apology. Not big on those is he lol
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Post by The Concept on Mar 19, 2016 11:46:22 GMT
Apologies if this has been mentioned before; when I saw this listed in the programmes it made me think what individuals have done to get on the list or not get on it, the politics involved, and whether it's largely down to timing ...
Bristol Rovers FC Club Personal - 'Honorary Vice Presidents'.
- As listed in the programme v Morecambe, 20/02/2016 = Bob Andrews / Ann Craig / Roy Redman / Vernon Stokes.
- As listed in the programme v Hartlepool, 01/03/2016 = Bob Andrews / Barry Bradshaw / Ann Craig / Nick Higgs / Chris Jelf / Roy Redman / Vernon Stokes / Edward Ware.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 11:51:53 GMT
Apologies if this has been mentioned before; when I saw this listed in the programmes it made me think what individuals have done to get on the list or not get on it, the politics involved, and whether it's largely down to timing ... Bristol Rovers FC Club Personal - 'Honorary Vice Presidents'. - As listed in the programme v Morecambe, 20/02/2016 = Bob Andrews / Ann Craig / Roy Redman / Vernon Stokes. - As listed in the programme v Hartlepool, 01/03/2016 = Bob Andrews / Barry Bradshaw / Ann Craig / Nick Higgs / Chris Jelf / Roy Redman / Vernon Stokes / Edward Ware. I'm fairly certain that a director has to serve for 5 years to become a VP. Ann Craig was made a VP in recognition of her husbands work following his passing. Those missing are GD, Rod King and David Brain but not sure if a SC rep qualifies.
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Post by LPGas on Mar 20, 2016 20:22:01 GMT
Gd Twitter on the day of the takeover says, "no free tickets yet and not offered a vice presidency". Not clever. Did anybody else hear about the twerton pitch relaying money? Yes in our first season we had 9 games postponed because of the pitch, the FL threatened us with expulsion of we couldn't sort it.
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