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Post by singupgas on Jan 29, 2015 20:13:34 GMT
Peeps just fed up us falling behind other teams that's all,I wouldn't get too upset about it. Team will keep performing if they have the ability to play at this level which they are proving they do.
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Post by bluebeard on Jan 29, 2015 20:19:51 GMT
He was never "in the Know" he just had a mate at the City planning department, and what do you do these days Vaughan, cannot be anything too taxing given you post on here during the day Thanks for asking. Taking some time out in developing a new 70s retro-style night-club in Clifton called Platforum One. Just waiting on Bristol CC for planning permission (what could go wrong?) for the gaming lounge extension, where punters can take time out away from the multi-coloured dance floor to play Pong, Pacman and Space Invaders via Atari. VIP memberships available on request. Just PM me. Cool man. Seriously? My mum and dad used to go to the original platform 1, whasn't that where Ray Cashley got glassed by a fan?
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 29, 2015 22:51:18 GMT
Thanks for asking. Taking some time out in developing a new 70s retro-style night-club in Clifton called Platforum One. Just waiting on Bristol CC for planning permission (what could go wrong?) for the gaming lounge extension, where punters can take time out away from the multi-coloured dance floor to play Pong, Pacman and Space Invaders via Atari. VIP memberships available on request. Just PM me. Cool man. Seriously? My mum and dad used to go to the original platform 1, whasn't that where Ray Cashley got glassed by a fan? So did I and Yes
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 23:23:27 GMT
He was never "in the Know" he just had a mate at the City planning department, and what do you do these days Vaughan, cannot be anything too taxing given you post on here during the day Thanks for asking. Taking some time out in developing a new 70s retro-style night-club in Clifton called Platforum One. Just waiting on Bristol CC for planning permission (what could go wrong?) for the gaming lounge extension, where punters can take time out away from the multi-coloured dance floor to play Pong, Pacman and Space Invaders via Atari. VIP memberships available on request. Just PM me. Cool man. You've changed Career Vaughan big time! I Worked with you when you were a mere van driver at a rover garage if I remember correctly obviously!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 30, 2015 3:33:45 GMT
Really? I missed this. So if Sainsbury's pay out say £6m in compo, Nick isn't going to repay himself? He can do what he likes with it if he's the majority shareholder. But money that's been put in as capital isnt a loan. Unless MSP paid out more than one of the board
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Post by bluebeard on Jan 30, 2015 9:56:59 GMT
He can do what he likes with it if he's the majority shareholder. But money that's been put in as capital isnt a loan. Unless MSP paid out more than one of the board MSP has obviously cleared Barclays and GD (Deltavon) because their legal charges have been released. No idea if GD got full repayment / full value for his personal loans and shares. With regard to Higgs, some or all of his personal unsecured loans to the club have been turned into new shares. If he can find someone to buy them in the future he may or may not get his money back. In the meantime though, from a debt point of view this is a good thing. People have been saying the club is in debt to the tune of anything between £5m to £10m. The true debt figure is what we owe externally to MSP which will be shown at some point in the accounts.
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Post by dagnogo on Jan 30, 2015 10:36:22 GMT
Unless MSP paid out more than one of the board MSP has obviously cleared Barclays and GD (Deltavon) because their legal charges have been released. No idea if GD got full repayment / full value for his personal loans and shares. With regard to Higgs, some or all of his personal unsecured loans to the club have been turned into new shares. If he can find someone to buy them in the future he may or may not get his money back. In the meantime though, from a debt point of view this is a good thing. People have been saying the club is in debt to the tune of anything between £5m to £10m. The true debt figure is what we owe externally to MSP which will be shown at some point in the accounts. What about the other board members? They've lent money have they not? Begs the question of what will happen if the club makes a serious attempt to sell up - will Higgs value the club at a price to get his millions back?
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Post by bluebeard on Jan 30, 2015 11:51:12 GMT
Yes others have put money in but directors loans don't usually pay interest. They are regarded as quasi equity because they don't have a fixed repayment date. The value of the club depends I guess on whether it comes with a stadium or not. To an investor the valuation of the existing site would be substantial if they look at changing its use. If the owners liquidated the club on that basis they would easily get their money back. If they will only sell out to someone who intends to keep a lower league football club running, their shares are probably pretty worthless.
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Post by bluebeard on Jan 30, 2015 11:54:42 GMT
If you look at BCFC 82 as an example, nobody is going to pay £55m for the club so Lansdowne has effectively written this off by capitalising what he has put in. Higgs has done the same on a smaller scale.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 12:18:37 GMT
If you look at BCFC 82 as an example, nobody is going to pay £55m for the club so Lansdowne has effectively written this off by capitalising what he has put in. Higgs has done the same on a smaller scale. Do you really think the MSP loan is unsecured?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 12:34:23 GMT
If you look at BCFC 82 as an example, nobody is going to pay £55m for the club so Lansdowne has effectively written this off by capitalising what he has put in. Higgs has done the same on a smaller scale. Do you really think the MSP loan is unsecured? Yes i do thanks
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Post by faggotygas on Jan 30, 2015 13:17:23 GMT
"Some people always moan". We've gone from League 1 to the Confererence in 4 years, not 1 but 2 stadium schemes have hit the skids, and the club is still run like a circus. If you're not unhappy with that, you're part of the problem - just sitting back and being fed whatever you're given. Clarke and the players don't deserve criticism in fairness, they're doing a professional job, but if beating part time sides makes you happy then you've got very low standards for the club. As for our new poster's "folk who don't go to games" comment - people have all kinds of reasons for not going, don't be so crass. Plus you don't need a season ticket to work out that the last 5 years has gone wrong - tune into BBC1 after MOTD and notice that we're not on the Football League show, you happy clappy idiot. Couldn't agree more with you!
As a club we have done absolutely nothing in real progressive terms since inception!
At one time what you did ON the field was the most important factor and people put up with crap facilities / marketing didn't really exist and people did not place much emphasis on 'value for money' Times have changed but the way the club is run hasn't - still like something out of the 50's and 60's and as I have said before even if UWE was still to happen I am NOT confident that present owners / board would run it correctly!
We all want the team and club to be successful - some of us like me are a season ticket holder / some are less frequent attendees so lets not get the idea into everyone's head that just because you attend EVERY game it makes you better than anyone else who attends
Everyone especially a newcomer is certain to compare what they are offered as a match day experience and frankly we are hopeless It amazes me that we still draw very good crowds and shows what huge potential this club has However what we are lacking is vision and I for one am fed up with seeing 'smaller' club both improving and developing whilst we languish!
That's a bare-faced lie, how dare you. We were promoted from the Western League to the Southern League, which is the equivalent of where we are now. So its merely since 1899 that we have got nowhere.
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Post by bluebeard on Jan 30, 2015 15:49:11 GMT
If you look at BCFC 82 as an example, nobody is going to pay £55m for the club so Lansdowne has effectively written this off by capitalising what he has put in. Higgs has done the same on a smaller scale. Do you really think the MSP loan is unsecured? No I'm pretty sure it is secured, on the Mem. If you mean do I think the directors are unsecured then the answer is yes, there is no formal charge registered against the club's assets for any of the directors?
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 30, 2015 16:34:35 GMT
The fanbase is divided, always has been. Everyone wants the team to do well but there are 3 groups. 1. Those who know that the club has been mismanaged and criticise this mismanagement. 2. Those who think it's just pure bad luck that we are where we are. 3. Those who don't care and just want to watch football. What exactly does pointing out the failures of Higgs seek to conquer? From my point of view, there are two groups:
1. Those that worry about the future of the club 2. Those that do not worry about the future of the club.
Why people in 2. are bothered by people in 1. is beyond me.
What's beyond me is how group 1 abuse group 2 through slapping down any positivity and name calling like Happy clappers
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Post by LJG on Jan 30, 2015 16:58:29 GMT
From my point of view, there are two groups:
1. Those that worry about the future of the club 2. Those that do not worry about the future of the club.
Why people in 2. are bothered by people in 1. is beyond me.
What's beyond me is how group 1 abuse group 2 through slapping down any positivity and name calling like Happy clappers It's the imposing manner of the positivity (as in the OP) that causes a bit of friction I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 17:22:56 GMT
What's beyond me is how group 1 abuse group 2 through slapping down any positivity and name calling like Happy clappers It's the imposing manner of the positivity (as in the OP) that causes a bit of friction I think. Yep, especially where 'imposing' includes 'dismissive' as in 'you're not a true fan unless you cheer everything like a simpleton' and 'unity is required from you b'stards'. Plus, we're clearly not 'by far the greatest team the world has ever seen' because we're in the effing Conference and shouldn't be, so steadfast back slapping and self-licking is deluded and unhelpful, and deserves slapping down.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jan 30, 2015 17:29:12 GMT
"we're in the effing Conference and shouldn't be" - Yes we should. We finished in a relegation spot at the end of the season. It's the old adage, the league tables don't lie. We are where we should be. Deal with it, learn to live with it and move on. It's better to be positive about the future than to live with bitterness regarding the past.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 17:53:28 GMT
Do you really think the MSP loan is unsecured? No I'm pretty sure it is secured, on the Mem. If you mean do I think the directors are unsecured then the answer is yes, there is no formal charge registered against the club's assets for any of the directors? Well exactly You appear to have painted a picture of a benign shareholder where the club is unemcumbered with debt. But the opposite is true, debt held by a sympathetic shareholder and director has been paid off by a provider who holds no such view. In fact if GD's shareholding is included the club have swapped equity for debt, unless MSP are now shareholders, which I doubt. Higg's position is as nebulous as his PR announcements, but I tend to believe he has converted debt to equity. But it would help debate if you did not make misleading assertions.
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Post by intheknow on Jan 30, 2015 17:57:46 GMT
"we're in the effing Conference and shouldn't be" - Yes we should. We finished in a relegation spot at the end of the season. It's the old adage, the league tables don't lie. We are where we should be. Deal with it, learn to live with it and move on. It's better to be positive about the future than to live with bitterness regarding the past. Well said the Nobster ! Regardless of of whether you're a rose tinter or a doom & gloom merchant neither stance would of changed our present position despite the claims of some who think if we'd all moaned ( behind our keyboards ) things would of been so much better . The rose tinters have more enjoyment along the way though than those miserable b******s
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 30, 2015 18:05:38 GMT
"we're in the effing Conference and shouldn't be" - Yes we should. We finished in a relegation spot at the end of the season. It's the old adage, the league tables don't lie. We are where we should be. Deal with it, learn to live with it and move on. It's better to be positive about the future than to live with bitterness regarding the past. I think it was meant figuratively in regard to the size of our club and its tradition, not literally in regard to our league position last year.
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