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Post by tbonegas on Jan 20, 2015 13:20:52 GMT
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 20, 2015 13:20:51 GMT
I say well done NH and the Board for keeping going with this Sainsbury's won't be enjoying this, and I think we're in with more than a 'puncher's chance'. But we'll see. There are plenty of other things that Sainsbury's aren't enjoying at the moment, so we won't be top of the pile This! This forum is so bloody negative and begging for Rovers to fail at everything it's unbelievable! Most of you literally can't wait for us to fail so you can celebrate! It's a shame you can't get behind the club for once. But hey ho...
Who want's us to fail?
I hope we win, but I would think it obvious to most that this will be far from easy to achieve the fulfilment of the contract
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 13:20:57 GMT
One way or another in due course we will know whether the board have to their best of ability tried to deliver what we all want or if major shortcomings are shown to be true then they will have little alternative but to quit due to lack of credibility? You think they still have credibility? How did it survive relegation, not just from league 1, but from the league? Then there are the Is and Ts comments and the expected start dates of end of May, end of the summer, end of the year, and now end of March all passing without comment, let alone any sign of us being remotely closer to starting to build a new stadium. The issue to me isn't whether they 'have to the best of their ability tried', it's that their ability, basic instincts and (lack of) strategy for about the last 15 years has been wrong. They roll the dice, add in a toxic cocktail of arrogance, complacency and hope, put everything on black, and then get huffy when we end up in another ditch, on and off the pitch. Big picture: 2015, and we're non-league, playing at a dump of a ground. How would that have been deemed acceptable if known about in say 2012, 2007, 2001, whenever? And you worry about them 'losing credibility'. On this issue alone, this latest twist has been on the horizon since November 2013, when Sainsbury's intimated that they didn't want to buy the land, but we've plumped for trying to force their hand, which some might think was either an optimistic or foolish option. Like so many other things, it was their call, and it's not working.But it is Do you think Sainsbury are looking forward to going to court ? With both a contractual case and a writ in place to cover other costs both for us & UWE caused by their continue delay i think Sainsburys are deep deep in the do do now
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Post by dagnogo on Jan 20, 2015 13:22:42 GMT
I say well done NH and the Board for keeping going with this Sainsbury's won't be enjoying this, and I think we're in with more than a 'puncher's chance'. But we'll see. There are plenty of other things that Sainsbury's aren't enjoying at the moment, so we won't be top of the pile This! This forum is so bloody negative and begging for Rovers to fail at everything it's unbelievable! Most of you literally can't wait for us to fail so you can celebrate! It's a shame you can't get behind the club for once. But hey ho... Patronising tosh. If folk didn't care about the club then why does most of this forum attend games regularly? It's not that we want failure, we expect it, and don't believe the every breath of Box 1 unlike some.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 20, 2015 13:23:58 GMT
You think they still have credibility? How did it survive relegation, not just from league 1, but from the league? Then there are the Is and Ts comments and the expected start dates of end of May, end of the summer, end of the year, and now end of March all passing without comment, let alone any sign of us being remotely closer to starting to build a new stadium. The issue to me isn't whether they 'have to the best of their ability tried', it's that their ability, basic instincts and (lack of) strategy for about the last 15 years has been wrong. They roll the dice, add in a toxic cocktail of arrogance, complacency and hope, put everything on black, and then get huffy when we end up in another ditch, on and off the pitch. Big picture: 2015, and we're non-league, playing at a dump of a ground. How would that have been deemed acceptable if known about in say 2012, 2007, 2001, whenever? And you worry about them 'losing credibility'. On this issue alone, this latest twist has been on the horizon since November 2013, when Sainsbury's intimated that they didn't want to buy the land, but we've plumped for trying to force their hand, which some might think was either an optimistic or foolish option. Like so many other things, it was their call, and it's not working.But it is Do you think Sainsbury are looking forward to going to court ? With both a contractual case and a writ in place to cover other costs both for us & UWE caused by their continue delay i think Sainsburys are deep deep in the do do now Yes and no surely.
Surely they think they have a fair chance of winning otherwise they would probably conceded by now.
Either that or BRFC have spectacularly called Sainsbury's bluff
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 13:25:28 GMT
But it is Do you think Sainsbury are looking forward to going to court ? With both a contractual case and a writ in place to cover other costs both for us & UWE caused by their continue delay i think Sainsburys are deep deep in the do do now Yes and no surely.
Surely they think they have a fair chance of winning otherwise they would probably conceded by now.
Either that or BRFC have spectacularly called Sainsbury's bluff
or they have called ours ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 13:26:35 GMT
Fits well with the Rovers way this, still no new permanent stand paid for by the club since the Tote End. Wrong, built an all seater stand at Twerton The one funded by an insurance payout thanks to an arson attack on the Grand Stand?
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Post by LPGas on Jan 20, 2015 13:31:08 GMT
Firstly once again none of us know anything about the contract or it's conditions, but Rovers won't take on Sainsbury's unless they have a good chance of winning. I also think that if there is one person who knows about building contracts then it is going to be Higgs who has built a small fortune from them. Then of course there is the negativity on here. Whatever Rovers do some of you just moan and moan. Deebs if you are walking away if we don't get a new ground, go now. AG is rebuilding, go there and watch the development. As for those who want to develop the Mem; where is the money coming from? Then the "let the fans run the club" group. What fans are they? They need to be rich ones that is for sure, and personally I don't know anyone. As for a supporters trust, well that really works, Brentford had one and they went down to Div 2, they then sold it to an individual and look where they are now. Or the mighty Exeter city, they have won.................nothing. We need to accept that we are a small club ran by small businessmen who all happen to be supporters. Of course we could be owned and run by people who aren't supporters. Who wants that? And for all those that think you can run a successful club on gates of 5000, that doesn't even cover the wages of a 22 man squad in Division 1 (given that so many people think that is where we should be).
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Post by strung out on Jan 20, 2015 13:33:05 GMT
I say well done NH and the Board for keeping going with this Sainsbury's won't be enjoying this, and I think we're in with more than a 'puncher's chance'. But we'll see. There are plenty of other things that Sainsbury's aren't enjoying at the moment, so we won't be top of the pile This! This forum is so bloody negative and begging for Rovers to fail at everything it's unbelievable! Most of you literally can't wait for us to fail so you can celebrate! It's a shame you can't get behind the club for once. But hey ho... That's right, my face positively lit up when I found out that the deal was going to fall through.
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Post by LPGas on Jan 20, 2015 13:37:50 GMT
What Sainsbury's will worry about are other "developments" and contracts they may have signed. Some of the others might now want to take them on as well. So, do they risk losing? I feel that they will want to come to some agreement.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 20, 2015 13:38:26 GMT
Firstly once again none of us know anything about the contract or it's conditions, but Rovers won't take on Sainsbury's unless they have a good chance of winning. I also think that if there is one person who knows about building contracts then it is going to be Higgs who has built a small fortune from them. Then of course there is the negativity on here. Whatever Rovers do some of you just moan and moan. Deebs if you are walking away if we don't get a new ground, go now. AG is rebuilding, go there and watch the development. As for those who want to develop the Mem; where is the money coming from? Then the "let the fans run the club" group. What fans are they? They need to be rich ones that is for sure, and personally I don't know anyone. As for a supporters trust, well that really works, Brentford had one and they went down to Div 2, they then sold it to an individual and look where they are now. Or the mighty Exeter city, they have won.................nothing. We need to accept that we are a small club ran by small businessmen who all happen to be supporters. Of course we could be owned and run by people who aren't supporters. Who wants that?And for all those that think you can run a successful club on gates of 5000, that doesn't even cover the wages of a 22 man squad in Division 1 (given that so many people think that is where we should be). Nick Higgs? Wasn't he Pimping us out in The Bahrain Bugle?
As for contracts, well It's a contract thrashed out between both parties. Nick Higgs (and our lawyers) knowledge is only based on their interpretations of any clauses.
I assume Sainsbury's and their team have a very different interpretation. One that they probably think is right
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 20, 2015 14:03:18 GMT
Firstly once again none of us know anything about the contract or it's conditions, but Rovers won't take on Sainsbury's unless they have a good chance of winning. I also think that if there is one person who knows about building contracts then it is going to be Higgs who has built a small fortune from them. Then of course there is the negativity on here. Whatever Rovers do some of you just moan and moan. Deebs if you are walking away if we don't get a new ground, go now. AG is rebuilding, go there and watch the development. As for those who want to develop the Mem; where is the money coming from? Then the "let the fans run the club" group. What fans are they? They need to be rich ones that is for sure, and personally I don't know anyone. As for a supporters trust, well that really works, Brentford had one and they went down to Div 2, they then sold it to an individual and look where they are now. Or the mighty Exeter city, they have won.................nothing. We need to accept that we are a small club ran by small businessmen who all happen to be supporters. Of course we could be owned and run by people who aren't supporters. Who wants that?And for all those that think you can run a successful club on gates of 5000, that doesn't even cover the wages of a 22 man squad in Division 1 (given that so many people think that is where we should be). Nick Higgs? Wasn't he Pimping us out in The Bahrain Bugle?
As for contracts, well It's a contract thrashed out between both parties. Nick Higgs (and our lawyers) knowledge is only based on their interpretations of any clauses.
I assume Sainsbury's and their team have a very different interpretation. One that they probably think is right
No he did a newspaper interview saying he was looking for investment all the time. He also said they have to be the right investors, for the right reasons. Why let that get in the way of a good moan though!
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Post by dagnogo on Jan 20, 2015 14:03:56 GMT
Firstly once again none of us know anything about the contract or it's conditions, but Rovers won't take on Sainsbury's unless they have a good chance of winning. I also think that if there is one person who knows about building contracts then it is going to be Higgs who has built a small fortune from them. Then of course there is the negativity on here. Whatever Rovers do some of you just moan and moan. Deebs if you are walking away if we don't get a new ground, go now. AG is rebuilding, go there and watch the development. As for those who want to develop the Mem; where is the money coming from? Then the "let the fans run the club" group. What fans are they? They need to be rich ones that is for sure, and personally I don't know anyone. As for a supporters trust, well that really works, Brentford had one and they went down to Div 2, they then sold it to an individual and look where they are now. Or the mighty Exeter city, they have won.................nothing. We need to accept that we are a small club ran by small businessmen who all happen to be supporters. Of course we could be owned and run by people who aren't supporters. Who wants that? And for all those that think you can run a successful club on gates of 5000, that doesn't even cover the wages of a 22 man squad in Division 1 (given that so many people think that is where we should be). Wycombe are fan-owned and have gates lower than 5000. Where are they in League 2 at present?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 14:09:51 GMT
Firstly once again none of us know anything about the contract or it's conditions, but Rovers won't take on Sainsbury's unless they have a good chance of winning. I also think that if there is one person who knows about building contracts then it is going to be Higgs who has built a small fortune from them. Then of course there is the negativity on here. Whatever Rovers do some of you just moan and moan. Deebs if you are walking away if we don't get a new ground, go now. AG is rebuilding, go there and watch the development. As for those who want to develop the Mem; where is the money coming from? Then the "let the fans run the club" group. What fans are they? They need to be rich ones that is for sure, and personally I don't know anyone. As for a supporters trust, well that really works, Brentford had one and they went down to Div 2, they then sold it to an individual and look where they are now. Or the mighty Exeter city, they have won.................nothing. We need to accept that we are a small club ran by small businessmen who all happen to be supporters. Of course we could be owned and run by people who aren't supporters. Who wants that? And for all those that think you can run a successful club on gates of 5000, that doesn't even cover the wages of a 22 man squad in Division 1 (given that so many people think that is where we should be). Wycombe are fan-owned and have gates lower than 5000. Where are they in League 2 at present? and the own their ground don't they ? Don't THEY ?? Maybe not
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 20, 2015 14:12:43 GMT
Nick Higgs? Wasn't he Pimping us out in The Bahrain Bugle?
As for contracts, well It's a contract thrashed out between both parties. Nick Higgs (and our lawyers) knowledge is only based on their interpretations of any clauses.
I assume Sainsbury's and their team have a very different interpretation. One that they probably think is right
No he did a newspaper interview saying he was looking for investment all the time. He also said they have to be the right investors, for the right reasons. Why let that get in the way of a good moan though! I am not moaning about anything. Mildly p*ssed off (but not at all surprised that we are having to drag Sainsbury’s to court) Personally I don’t give a sh*t if any potential owner is a Rovers fan or not (as per the implied comment of LPGas), just that whomever runs the club runs it for the right reasons. It doesn’t seem to be a problem at other clubs, just as those owned by fans be that as a collective or just a rich fan doesn’t equal things being brilliant necessarily
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Post by princerupert on Jan 20, 2015 14:16:41 GMT
Who says that this will actually go to court! Feel free to "bump" this on February 19th
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 20, 2015 14:17:01 GMT
I thought Wycombe sold out to an ice creme salesman, but good knowns what's happening in the background with their finances, would you trust their cheating BoD over ours?
Not usre what are BoD have done wrong, they agreed a contract with Sainsbury's who've now refused to pay up, what more could our BoD do?
It would have been nice to be kept more informed but we don't know what the confidentiality clauses restricted NH from saying.
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Jan 20, 2015 14:26:39 GMT
Another plan bites the dust? I did wonder how a club like Woking can build a large modern seated stand on crowds of 1600 and we seem destined to have a tent as our main seated stand, then I remembered who runs Bristol Rovers.
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Post by frenchgashead on Jan 20, 2015 14:30:48 GMT
This looks like a desperate attempt to get Sainsbury's to negotiate some compensation. Sainsbury's must have made it absolutely clear that they will not proceed. Difficult to see this being resolved within a year minimum unless a compromise is made. The High Court will probably push both sides towards this.
The problem for BRFC is if Sainsbury's do pay compensation then the money is presumably not ringfenced as (it is claimed) it would be if the UWE were to be built. What is then to stop the BoD paying themselves their loans back and disappearing? They would seem to be no other way they could do this if we stay at the Mem. What then happens to the loans with the equivalent of Wonga. If the court case drags on how would they be repaid anyway?
Unless we find a rich sugar daddy administration is looking more likely than it was before today.
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Post by dagnogo on Jan 20, 2015 14:32:02 GMT
Wycombe are fan-owned and have gates lower than 5000. Where are they in League 2 at present? and the own their ground don't they ? Don't THEY ?? Maybe not They do, yes.
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