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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 15:13:06 GMT
I just wish they'd cut the bulls*** out and start being honest, stop trying to spin things, stop treating the supporters like they're robots programmed to believe whatever you say and tell it how it is. I wouldn't have had much of a problem if he'd come out and said "unfortunately due to the delays caused by various appeals we will not have enough time to build the stadium for entry in 2015, so instead of leaving an empty stadium taking up money for 8 months we've decided to delay building slightly" instead of the aims, mights and buts we've been fed in a lie lined misery sandwich for the past decade. Exactly Dave. I think that the stadium would have been built without the delays caused by needless legal actions but those people were cleverer then people give them credit for and they knew that by delaying the development for as long as possible would be their best way of scuppering the plans. I think that they might have succeeded and with relegation to non league and the downturn in supermarket expansion The UWE is currently on hold. If that is the case then tell the fans if not let's have a statement and not spin from all parties including Sainsbury's who haven't said a word for months. How can you accuse Sainsbury,s of spin in one sentence then say we havent heard from them for months,double talk
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 15:15:22 GMT
I don:t think we will all agree on this one but I think the majority on this forum saw yesterdays statement as very mixed. To say " We may not be ready for a 2015 start " eg:June 2014 alpha. And then say "We AIM to start this year" seems a broad term. How can you be so near but so far?. And some of us are being challenged not question the board and create blame culture. But we are experts at blame culture. We blamed Horfield Rose about the 18000 revamp and later we pulled out on a different matter. We are blaming this academic regarding the SOS appeal (EH) and we dont even know if it had been confirmed HE appealed. We blamed Bristol City council " saying they never support us " And the majority South Bristol Labour party voted in our favour and then we all went quiet. We love to blame others lets be honest for once ... The whole structure of BRFC survives on being a blame culture. As soon as something goes wrong divert the pressure and blame somebody else. Sometimes it's the right thing to do but sometimes is bloody embarrassing. Geoff Twentyman once took his gloves off and challenged Nick Higgs for overseeing a blame culture. Wait and see who is in line for the blame for the next bit of bad news. That's what I thought when the news about Steve Burns and Trish broke earlier this week, the almost instant reaction was to blame good people losing their jobs on Bristol Rugby leaving.
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Post by Lazza on Jun 7, 2014 15:22:11 GMT
I don:t think we will all agree on this one but I think the majority on this forum saw yesterdays statement as very mixed. To say " We may not be ready for a 2015 start " eg:June 2014 alpha. And then say "We AIM to start this year" seems a broad term. How can you be so near but so far?. And some of us are being challenged not question the board and create blame culture. But we are experts at blame culture. We blamed Horfield Rose about the 18000 revamp and later we pulled out on a different matter. We are blaming this academic regarding the SOS appeal (EH) and we dont even know if it had been confirmed HE appealed. We blamed Bristol City council " saying they never support us " And the majority South Bristol Labour party voted in our favour and then we all went quiet. We love to blame others lets be honest for once ... The whole structure of BRFC survives on being a blame culture. As soon as something goes wrong divert the pressure and blame somebody else. Sometimes it's the right thing to do but sometimes is bloody embarrassing. Geoff Twentyman once took his gloves off and challenged Nick Higgs for overseeing a blame culture. Wait and see who is in line for the blame for the next bit of bad news. Exactly, it is ALWAYS somebody else's fault and NEVER theirs!
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Post by PeterHooper57 on Jun 7, 2014 15:37:48 GMT
I wonder who would be to blame if and when Sainsburys decide to walk away ?
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 7, 2014 15:47:51 GMT
Yesterday's statement was political. Make the most of the delay with the powers that be, so that maybe common sense legislation is pushed through to stop Nimbys of the future. I actually saw it as positive. Your not going to promise 200 million investment if you know it's all about to fall apart in a few days.
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Post by Lazza on Jun 7, 2014 15:57:37 GMT
I wonder who would be to blame if and when Sainsburys decide to walk away ? That's a really good question. I think it was Kevin on another thread that brought out the point/question that surely there must be a time limit within the Sainsburys contract as to when the Mem must be vacated so they can start to build. There has to be right? What's to stop them, should/if, that time finally comes? OK, so the club have had various detours & problems along the route with TRASH etc but do we seriously think that Sainsburys wouldn't walk away if the contract would let them and that they had finally had enough of waiting?
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Post by strung out on Jun 7, 2014 16:04:49 GMT
More importantly, if the new stadium does get cancelled, who's going to design a new header logo for this forum?!
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Post by bristolian on Jun 7, 2014 16:06:27 GMT
Is there any likelihood that UWE will do something themselves if there is too long a delay? They have plans for the facilities so if no new Rovers ground will they go their own way?
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Post by Northville Blue on Jun 7, 2014 16:07:37 GMT
Exactly Dave. I think that the stadium would have been built without the delays caused by needless legal actions but those people were cleverer then people give them credit for and they knew that by delaying the development for as long as possible would be their best way of scuppering the plans. I think that they might have succeeded and with relegation to non league and the downturn in supermarket expansion The UWE is currently on hold. If that is the case then tell the fans if not let's have a statement and not spin from all parties including Sainsbury's who haven't said a word for months. How can you accuse Sainsbury,s of spin in one sentence then say we havent heard from them for months,double talk You misunderstood Padstow as you normally do but I will leave it there.
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Post by Northville Blue on Jun 7, 2014 16:10:52 GMT
I wonder who would be to blame if and when Sainsburys decide to walk away ? The solicitors for not pointing out the clause.
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Post by womble on Jun 7, 2014 16:12:18 GMT
I wonder who would be to blame if and when Sainsburys decide to walk away ? That's a really good question. I think it was Kevin on another thread that brought out the point/question that surely there must be a time limit within the Sainsburys contract as to when the Mem must be vacated so they can start to build. There has to be right? What's to stop them, should/if, that time finally comes? OK, so the club have had various detours & problems along the route with TRASH etc but do we seriously think that Sainsburys wouldn't walk away if the contract would let them and that they had finally had enough of waiting? There is no delay attributable to Rovers at the moment. The delay is at the Sainsbury's end of the project. They will not transfer the money until all the potential legal challenges have been dealt with, the listing appeal to the Secretary of State being the last one. If Rovers haven't started construction within 3 months of the money being transferred, then we might be in awkward territory. Sainsbury's are used to playing the long game, pitfalls occur for new supermarket plans on a regular basis. They are not going to be fazed by this.
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Post by Lazza on Jun 7, 2014 16:27:15 GMT
More importantly, if the new stadium does get cancelled, who's going to design a new header logo for this forum?! I'll nip down to the Mem and take a pic if you like strung out.
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Post by Lazza on Jun 7, 2014 16:29:31 GMT
That's a really good question. I think it was Kevin on another thread that brought out the point/question that surely there must be a time limit within the Sainsburys contract as to when the Mem must be vacated so they can start to build. There has to be right? What's to stop them, should/if, that time finally comes? OK, so the club have had various detours & problems along the route with TRASH etc but do we seriously think that Sainsburys wouldn't walk away if the contract would let them and that they had finally had enough of waiting? There is no delay attributable to Rovers at the moment. The delay is at the Sainsbury's end of the project. They will not transfer the money until all the potential legal challenges have been dealt with, the listing appeal to the Secretary of State being the last one. If Rovers haven't started construction within 3 months of the money being transferred, then we might be in awkward territory. Sainsbury's are used to playing the long game, pitfalls occur for new supermarket plans on a regular basis. They are not going to be fazed by this. OK, but surely somewhere within the contract there *has* to be a time limit set where the building of the new store must start no matter what obstacles BRFC have faced along the way?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 17:33:27 GMT
I dont know why but Twerton Park keeps coming into my head!! For a couple of different scenarios I think this may just happen,if not just for the short term.
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Post by brizzle on Jun 7, 2014 17:40:20 GMT
I wonder who would be to blame if and when Sainsburys decide to walk away ? The solicitors for not pointing out the clause. . . . and/or the supporters, surely?
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Post by brizzle on Jun 7, 2014 18:03:21 GMT
Ooops!
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 7, 2014 18:10:59 GMT
Rebel witbout a clause more like
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Post by womble on Jun 7, 2014 18:13:21 GMT
OK, but surely somewhere within the contract there *has* to be a time limit set where the building of the new store must start no matter what obstacles BRFC have faced along the way? There must be some sort of time limit once Sainsbury's have transferred the money. But the problems are at the Sainsbury's end of the deal not Rovers. It was Rovers' responsibility to sort out the UWE permission and that went like a dream. Sainsbury's are very used to dealing with delays and have sat on other sites for years if necessary. If (when) the final listing appeal is rejected, then Sainsbury's transfer the money approximately 10 days later and that is when the clock starts ticking. I imagine that there must be some clause, where a fixed period of time after the money is transferred, that Rovers must vacate the stadium regardless of circumstances.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 7, 2014 18:15:49 GMT
OK, but surely somewhere within the contract there *has* to be a time limit set where the building of the new store must start no matter what obstacles BRFC have faced along the way? There must be some sort of time limit once Sainsbury's have transferred the money. But the problems are at the Sainsbury's end of the deal not Rovers. It was Rovers' responsibility to sort out the UWE permission and that went like a dream. Sainsbury's are very used to dealing with delays and have sat on other sites for years if necessary. If (when) the final listing appeal is rejected, then Sainsbury's transfer the money approximately 10 days later and that is when the clock starts ticking. I imagine that there must be some clause, where a fixed period of time after the money is transferred, that Rovers must vacate the stadium regardless of circumstances. Problems at Sainsburys end yes. And who went to court to sort out their problems . BRFC.
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Post by womble on Jun 7, 2014 18:33:36 GMT
There must be some sort of time limit once Sainsbury's have transferred the money. But the problems are at the Sainsbury's end of the deal not Rovers. It was Rovers' responsibility to sort out the UWE permission and that went like a dream. Sainsbury's are very used to dealing with delays and have sat on other sites for years if necessary. If (when) the final listing appeal is rejected, then Sainsbury's transfer the money approximately 10 days later and that is when the clock starts ticking. I imagine that there must be some clause, where a fixed period of time after the money is transferred, that Rovers must vacate the stadium regardless of circumstances. Problems at Sainsburys end yes. And who went to court to sort out their problems . BRFC. Bristol City Council actually. BRFC were there as an interested party, we didn't have to be as it was the council's procedure being challenged.
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