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Post by swissgas on Jun 11, 2023 14:52:29 GMT
This goes against the grain of Rovers outsourcing wherever it’s appropriate which is something I’ve supported. It sounds as though they’ve decided against engaging a contractor with the requisite expertise and equipment to be able to provide guaranteed workmanship at market rates and instead they are hoping there’s a retired Gashead out there who is willing to work on the cheap. Can't see it says in there anywhere about a retired Gashead out there who is willing to work on the cheap in there Swiss. Appears to me they want an all round handy man with multi skills but don't want a contractor who may have a particular skill like sparky, chippy, etc ..... unless I'm missing something! It’s a matter of opinion Chesh. When Rovers had a Head of Facilities (David Fear) to manage the maintenance operation it made sense to employ direct labour. Now we don’t have anyone in that position it makes sense to use contractors which, to a large extent, are self managing. Not long ago Rovers were looking for retired Gasheads to help out with maintenance, now we want to employ a general maintenance person on a full or part time basis, it may appear that this will save money but IMO it will end up costing more than using professionals.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 11, 2023 15:04:59 GMT
It seems to me this is a sensible thing. At our golf club we have a handy man who does a myriad of tasks at a first call. If he can't carry out the work he has a whole range of contractors he can call on to do the work and the skills to supervise the work and ensure it is carried out effectively and efficiently. Should more than one trade be involved in the project he coordinates the team. He also purchases all the materials to achieve cost efficiency and a lack of contractor mark ups. He approves it prior to payment. Working in this manner has seen significant savings in the maintenance budget. This sounds like a very good arrangement for your golf club. If Rovers had said they were planning to employ someone to do the majority of the work themselves, procure all the materials and where necessary engage contractors and supervise them then that would be a logical move. A kind of scaled down and lower cost version of the Head of Facilities position. But if you read the job advert Colyton Gas has posted this is not what Rovers are looking for.
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Post by boagas on Jun 11, 2023 15:22:58 GMT
Can't see it says in there anywhere about a retired Gashead out there who is willing to work on the cheap in there Swiss. Appears to me they want an all round handy man with multi skills but don't want a contractor who may have a particular skill like sparky, chippy, etc ..... unless I'm missing something! It’s a matter of opinion Chesh. When Rovers had a Head of Facilities (David Fear) to manage the maintenance operation it made sense to employ direct labour. Now we don’t have anyone in that position it makes sense to use contractors which, to a large extent, are self managing. Not long ago Rovers were looking for retired Gasheads to help out with maintenance, now we want to employ a general maintenance person on a full or part time basis, it may appear that this will save money but IMO it will end up costing more than using professionals.
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Post by boagas on Jun 11, 2023 15:28:15 GMT
It’s a matter of opinion Chesh. When Rovers had a Head of Facilities (David Fear) to manage the maintenance operation it made sense to employ direct labour. Now we don’t have anyone in that position it makes sense to use contractors which, to a large extent, are self managing. Not long ago Rovers were looking for retired Gasheads to help out with maintenance, now we want to employ a general maintenance person on a full or part time basis, it may appear that this will save money but IMO it will end up costing more than using professionals. Your ability to find a negative in something as insignificant as a job advert is almost impressive! I'm thinking in future the Club run their recruitment ads through you for your approval first.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 11, 2023 15:38:45 GMT
Your ability to find a negative in something as insignificant as a job advert is almost impressive! I'm thinking in future the Club run their recruitment ads through you for your approval first. Is it insignificant thought ? Don’t you think Rovers should be striving for excellence in everything we do ? Rivers Gas description of the duties of the maintenance person at his golf club is a good basis for improvement. The way the advert is currently worded will attract people who just “fancy earning a few bob down the Rovers”. Modifying it to include the purchasing of materials and the arranging and supervising of contractors is more likely to interest the type of person who could become a real asset to the club. Forums are for free discussion not slavishly following the party line.
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Post by boagas on Jun 11, 2023 15:57:13 GMT
Your ability to find a negative in something as insignificant as a job advert is almost impressive! I'm thinking in future the Club run their recruitment ads through you for your approval first. Is it insignificant thought ? Don’t you think Rovers should be striving for excellence in everything we do ? Rivers Gas description of the duties of the maintenance person at his golf club is a good basis for improvement. The way the advert is currently worded will attract people who just “fancy earning a few bob down the Rovers”. Modifying it to include the purchasing of materials and the arranging and supervising of contractors is more likely to interest the type of person who could become a real asset to the club. Forums are for free discussion not slavishly following the party line. But it's not worded like that at all. The only one I can see who thinks that seems to be you! Makes you wonder why. FYI I dont slavishly follow any party line I simply try to have balance. Something you seem unwilling or unable to do
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jun 11, 2023 16:08:51 GMT
Can't see it says in there anywhere about a retired Gashead out there who is willing to work on the cheap in there Swiss. Appears to me they want an all round handy man with multi skills but don't want a contractor who may have a particular skill like sparky, chippy, etc ..... unless I'm missing something! It’s a matter of opinion Chesh. When Rovers had a Head of Facilities (David Fear) to manage the maintenance operation it made sense to employ direct labour. Now we don’t have anyone in that position it makes sense to use contractors which, to a large extent, are self managing. Not long ago Rovers were looking for retired Gasheads to help out with maintenance, now we want to employ a general maintenance person on a full or part time basis, it may appear that this will save money but IMO it will end up costing more than using professionals.But who has said that the individual they seek to employ will not be a skilled professional? They have just said they don't want contractors. We use a chap who does work for us at home who is skilled in many aspects of work and not just a specialist in one. He is more reliable that specialist contractors who continually let us down and are often hard to pin down on fixing a date to do a job. And then unreliable trying to keep them on a job and we are not talking small jobs either!
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Post by swissgas on Jun 11, 2023 16:18:48 GMT
Is it insignificant thought ? Don’t you think Rovers should be striving for excellence in everything we do ? Rivers Gas description of the duties of the maintenance person at his golf club is a good basis for improvement. The way the advert is currently worded will attract people who just “fancy earning a few bob down the Rovers”. Modifying it to include the purchasing of materials and the arranging and supervising of contractors is more likely to interest the type of person who could become a real asset to the club. Forums are for free discussion not slavishly following the party line. But it's not worded like that at all. The only one I can see who thinks that seems to be you! Makes you wonder why. FYI I dont slavishly follow any party line I simply try to have balance. Something you seem unwilling or unable to do The wording includes the line “ this is a paid position” I think that completely gives the game away but others may feel it’s quite a normal thing to put in a job advert.
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 11, 2023 16:30:23 GMT
But it's not worded like that at all. The only one I can see who thinks that seems to be you! Makes you wonder why. FYI I dont slavishly follow any party line I simply try to have balance. Something you seem unwilling or unable to do The wording includes the line “ this is a paid position” I think that completely gives the game away but others may feel it’s quite a normal thing to put in a job advert. Perhaps " Salaried position" may seem more plausible to you, think you are nit picking for the sake of it, send off for a " position" application form and it may have finer details on that for you to grind out 🤔
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Post by swissgas on Jun 11, 2023 16:55:44 GMT
It’s a matter of opinion Chesh. When Rovers had a Head of Facilities (David Fear) to manage the maintenance operation it made sense to employ direct labour. Now we don’t have anyone in that position it makes sense to use contractors which, to a large extent, are self managing. Not long ago Rovers were looking for retired Gasheads to help out with maintenance, now we want to employ a general maintenance person on a full or part time basis, it may appear that this will save money but IMO it will end up costing more than using professionals.But who has said that the individual they seek to employ will not be a skilled professional? They have just said they don't want contractors. We use a chap who does work for us at home who is skilled in many aspects of work and not just a specialist in one. He is more reliable that specialist contractors who continually let us down and are often hard to pin down on fixing a date to do a job. And then unreliable trying to keep them on a job and we are not talking small jobs either! I do the same at home Chesh but these guys would consider themselves self employed contractors which Rovers have specifically said they don’t want. When Tom Gorringe came up with the Executive Committee I thought it was a good idea and evidence that greater professionalism was really being introduced. But Nick Reed the Head of Finance left very quickly and David Fear the Head of Facilities about a year later without a word from the club. This job advert tells me we are retreating back to the “ make do and mend” approach which most Gasheads criticized in the past and which we thought we’d seen the back of. If you are allowed to discuss things freely you come up with ideas like the one Rivers Gas put forward which is a compromise between a Head of Facilities and a general dogsbody who can turn his hand to a few things but needs a lot of support and supervision. Rovers employ 220 people and spend over 11 million a year so if the business is to be run efficiently there have to be strategies. If the position of Head of Facilities has been discontinued then one strategy for maintenance would be directly employing more people but this puts a greater burden on the other managers. Another strategy would be contracting out the work to specialists. A third strategy would be to do the same as Rivers Gas golf club and create a hybrid position where the new employee takes on extra responsibilities for purchasing materials and supervising contractors. This may seem a very insignificant matter but I think it’s symbolic of the lack of strategizing throughout the club. The wording of the advert to to me says “ we want someone to come in and do things on the cheap” but I accept others may disagree. The point is that if these subjects are discussed and differing views aired then the people running the club will know they have to be on their toes and the end result will be better decision making. Which I might have said a few times before
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Post by swissgas on Jun 18, 2023 14:44:16 GMT
A whistleblower has provided an update.
After the departure of Head of Facilities David Fear was hushed up there was nobody with direct responsibility for maintenance but now an elderly gentleman has been appointed to oversee carpentry, painting & decorating and the new South Stand project. I don’t know what his official title is but since he also deals with cleaning it could be Head of Steam.
The new maintenance job which has been advertised requires an active person to assist the Head of Steam and help make up for his physical deficiencies when it comes to tasks such as lifting tins of paint and going up ladders. So it appears that my concerns were unwarranted and as far as maintenance is concerned, despite the arthritis, we are now in good hands.
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Jun 30, 2023 18:28:12 GMT
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Post by toteend3 on Jun 30, 2023 19:35:54 GMT
In case you just want to cut to the chase Finished Picture - The cost has been very much reduced as the seats have come from Yeovil as they won’t be needing them anymore! Attachments:
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Post by basel on Jul 1, 2023 8:17:24 GMT
I see 3 locals (last count) ,have concerns about the new stand affecting their privacy, the wild life,parking for people with disabilities and sun light being blocked.
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 1, 2023 8:29:41 GMT
In case you just want to cut to the chase Finished Picture - The cost has been very much reduced as the seats have come from Yeovil as they won’t be needing them anymore! see no problem in that, i believe[may be wrong] but at one time wasn't that initial "tent end" leased out to wimbledon during the tennis fortnight?
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Post by swissgas on Jul 2, 2023 16:00:20 GMT
I see one of the objection letters mentions trying to contact Jim Buckley at Rovers. This must be the gentleman who is now responsible for the Mem and who was recognized at the end of season awards evening. The appointments of David Fear as Head of Facilities was announced with a fanfare but it seems Jim has been slipped in under the radar.
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