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Post by lostinspace on Feb 18, 2023 11:46:03 GMT
Forest Green Rovers have been boreing holes into the ground,to make checks for their new stadium.Another new stadium,as they only moved into their current home 'The New Lawn', in 2006. So they've made a start. indirectly paid for via "green energy" aka you and i....sure they will need a 15,000 capacity stadium in the short term? .............or long term come to that, IF they were to make it to the championship the position of it makes it easy access for fans approaching via the motorway perhaps that's the intention, to fill it with "away" support" as i cannot see this club attaining a decent fan base of 5,000 and over any time soon
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Post by Dr John Dee on Feb 21, 2023 13:02:43 GMT
Did this ages ago, but here is the Millentor dropped in to the space the Mem occupies.
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Post by baselswh on Feb 21, 2023 13:17:50 GMT
Did this ages ago, but here is the Millentor dropped in to the space the Mem occupies. A 30,000 capacity I read.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 21, 2023 13:55:58 GMT
Did this ages ago, but here is the Millentor dropped in to the space the Mem occupies. Nice. How much is that going to cost?
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Post by Dr John Dee on Feb 21, 2023 15:25:44 GMT
Construction cost: €55 million (2006–2015)
Cost per seat on newer stadiums can be about £2000 per seat, so that sounds about right. About the same as a single F35 Lightning for comparison.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 25, 2023 10:52:08 GMT
Construction cost: €55 million (2006–2015) Cost per seat on newer stadiums can be about £2000 per seat, so that sounds about right. About the same as a single F35 Lightning for comparison. Cost per seat on new stadium builds is around £4K per seat if you take Brentford’s stadium as the latest build to a accommodate 17.5k people. I looked at the Ashton Gate regen, which started 9 years ago (can you believe that!) and that cost £2.5k seat back then.
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Post by Dr John Dee on Feb 25, 2023 23:44:56 GMT
Brentford is that London though. I guess it depends what it is, if it's just seats in a stand, the cost is lower. If it's seats in a stand with bars and concessions and toilets and a build a bear outlet and nice things, then crank the price up. The question is how much does Wael want to spend and what can we get for that money?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 10:07:54 GMT
Brentford is that London though. I guess it depends what it is, if it's just seats in a stand, the cost is lower. If it's seats in a stand with bars and concessions and toilets and a build a bear outlet and nice things, then crank the price up. The question is how much does Wael want to spend and what can we get for that money? 17,000 of the Millerntor‘s capacity is terracing that’s not currently legal for new builds in the UK. Lovely place to watch football though.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 26, 2023 11:26:48 GMT
Brentford is that London though. I guess it depends what it is, if it's just seats in a stand, the cost is lower. If it's seats in a stand with bars and concessions and toilets and a build a bear outlet and nice things, then crank the price up. The question is how much does Wael want to spend and what can we get for that money? Brentford is London yes, but that won’t change the cost of materials, architects or plant hire, for example. That is pretty uniform across the industry. If you are talking about a new stadium, then it must include bars, concessions and hospitality units. It would be pointless building a stadium without them. That’s why I said that a cost of a new stadium is probably around £3-4K per seat, which, even if at the lower end of £3k per seat, 20k seats will cost you £60m.
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 26, 2023 13:19:54 GMT
Everton £500 million for 52,000 seats!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 13:56:16 GMT
Brentford is that London though. I guess it depends what it is, if it's just seats in a stand, the cost is lower. If it's seats in a stand with bars and concessions and toilets and a build a bear outlet and nice things, then crank the price up. The question is how much does Wael want to spend and what can we get for that money? Brentford is London yes, but that won’t change the cost of materials, architects or plant hire, for example. That is pretty uniform across the industry. If you are talking about a new stadium, then it must include bars, concessions and hospitality units. It would be pointless building a stadium without them. That’s why I said that a cost of a new stadium is probably around £3-4K per seat, which, even if at the lower end of £3k per seat, 20k seats will cost you £60m. Any news on how much seats would have cost if we’d steadily tried improving the stadium post purchase as opposed to whacking up tents and watching it rot?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 26, 2023 14:30:23 GMT
Everton £500 million for 52,000 seats! How the hell do they rationalise that cost ?
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Post by swissgas on Feb 26, 2023 15:17:15 GMT
Construction cost: €55 million (2006–2015) Cost per seat on newer stadiums can be about £2000 per seat, so that sounds about right. About the same as a single F35 Lightning for comparison. Cost per seat on new stadium builds is around £4K per seat if you take Brentford’s stadium as the latest build to a accommodate 17.5k people. I looked at the Ashton Gate regen, which started 9 years ago (can you believe that!) and that cost £2.5k seat back then. Is the new South / South West stand going to cost £16 million ?
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 26, 2023 15:21:25 GMT
Brentford is London yes, but that won’t change the cost of materials, architects or plant hire, for example. That is pretty uniform across the industry. If you are talking about a new stadium, then it must include bars, concessions and hospitality units. It would be pointless building a stadium without them. That’s why I said that a cost of a new stadium is probably around £3-4K per seat, which, even if at the lower end of £3k per seat, 20k seats will cost you £60m. Any news on how much seats would have cost if we’d steadily tried improving the stadium post purchase as opposed to whacking up tents and watching it rot? I agree this is something that should have been done in 2003 rather than 2023.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 26, 2023 15:23:22 GMT
Cost per seat on new stadium builds is around £4K per seat if you take Brentford’s stadium as the latest build to a accommodate 17.5k people. I looked at the Ashton Gate regen, which started 9 years ago (can you believe that!) and that cost £2.5k seat back then. Is the new South / South West stand going to cost £16 million ? No idea what it is going to cost personally. Any ideas?
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Post by swissgas on Feb 26, 2023 15:33:57 GMT
Is the new South / South West stand going to cost £16 million ? No idea what it is going to cost personally. Any ideas? I used your figure of £4K per seat then multiplied it by the 4000 capacity to get to £ 16 million.
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Post by oldie on Feb 26, 2023 17:53:57 GMT
No idea what it is going to cost personally. Any ideas? I used your figure of £4K per seat then multiplied it by the 4000 capacity to get to £ 16 million. 🤭🤭🤭
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Post by One F in Dunford on Feb 26, 2023 18:04:49 GMT
No idea what it is going to cost personally. Any ideas? I used your figure of £4K per seat then multiplied it by the 4000 capacity to get to £ 16 million. Are you saying that is the cost of a permanent structure?
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Post by oldie on Feb 26, 2023 18:29:51 GMT
I used your figure of £4K per seat then multiplied it by the 4000 capacity to get to £ 16 million. Are you saying that is the cost of a permanent structure? Allegedly
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Post by swissgas on Feb 26, 2023 23:47:13 GMT
I used your figure of £4K per seat then multiplied it by the 4000 capacity to get to £ 16 million. Are you saying that is the cost of a permanent structure? That’s ITB’s number and it’s based upon the cost of Brentford’s new ground. The recent revelation from David Bright has put ITB, Tom Gorringe and others who have said categorically that a Mem redevelopment isn’t viable in a difficult position. If Tom had been able to refer to an expert report which the club had commissioned to determine whether or not a redevelopment was viable then his statement could have been taken seriously. But it was made off the cuff with no facts or figures to back it up and this led to a suspicion that, for whatever reason, Dwane Sports wanted redevelopment to be a "non starter" as far as Gasheads were concerned. This suspicion is backed up by ITB consistently posting extremely high figures for build cost, speculating about ROI being insufficient and asking “where’s the money coming from ? ”. David has now put the cat amongst the pigeons by talking about a new 4000 seater stand being in place by August with the implication that the Mem is going to be redeveloped stand by stand which is what many Gasheads would like to see. In his announcement last week David talked about “regeneration” and said the South Stand was a “semi- permanent structure 20 years ago and it’s reached the time that needs to change”. To me this implies something less than a complete new build but more than a flimsy temporary structure. The sort of thing supplied by the company GL Events to a number of professional football clubs including Plymouth Argyle. gleventsstadia.co.uk/case-studies/plymouth-argyle-fc/The plans for the redevelopment of the Mayflower Stand were submitted in July 2017 and approved in December 2017. Contracts were exchanged with GL Events in August 2018 and Argyle announced they had agreed a fixed price of £6.5 million for a 5400 seat capacity. The stand opened in January 2020 but reading through the history it looks as though that fixed price increased by £600K over the period of construction. And once it was operational problems were encountered on the upper tier with the Plymouth owner telling fans in August 2022 that “a large chunk of the £4 million investment received from new shareholders would be used on fixing issues with the Mayflower Grandstand”. What can we learn from this ? Firstly, if David has overstepped the mark then before getting deeper in I think now would be the time to pull back and tell Gasheads that his enthusiasm got the better of him and the project actually needs a lot more consideration before accurate timescales and structure details can be provided. And at the same time announce that further information will be given after the board meeting in May but the South Stand regeneration will not take place this year. Secondly, if the Board of Directors feel they are now in a corner and are going to try to get some kind of quick fix “regenerated” South Stand in place by August, just because that’s what they’ve said they will do, is that really a sensible move ? Wouldn’t it be better to learn from the Plymouth experience, make note of the timescales and challenges they faced and then take the time to put together a properly thought through and costed plan ? I think most Gasheads would consider it worth the wait.
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