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Post by Bath Gas on Nov 11, 2022 15:31:51 GMT
The skull as a symbol on any badge these days has links to neo nazi organisations and other extreme terrorist groups. If there is any brain in those behind this change of badge then leave skulls out of any new badge. The skull and cross bones is still used by the Queen's Royal Lancers on their flag, and is the emblem of the Royal Marine Submarine Service. Maybe somebody at the club does have a brain, and an open mind - not only seeing negative connotations. I'm sure that the majority of people associate the skull and crossbones with a pirate flag (Jolly Roger), or a sign warning of hazardous materials.
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Post by toteend3 on Nov 11, 2022 22:13:49 GMT
The skull as a symbol on any badge these days has links to neo nazi organisations and other extreme terrorist groups. If there is any brain in those behind this change of badge then leave skulls out of any new badge. The skull and cross bones is still used by the Queen's Royal Lancers on their flag, and is the emblem of the Royal Marine Submarine Service. Maybe somebody at the club does have a brain, and an open mind - not only seeing negative connotations. I'm sure that the majority of people associate the skull and crossbones with a pirate flag (Jolly Roger), or a sign warning of hazardous materials. Just had a look at badge images and for my money this with a little refinement cuts the mustard anyone agree? Attachments:
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Post by Bamber Gashead on Nov 11, 2022 23:02:02 GMT
The problem with the skull and crossbones is it implies we are dead... which we will be without a new stadium!
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Post by Igitur on Nov 12, 2022 11:33:38 GMT
Skull and cross bones on a badge (particularly a flag) to many/most mean pirates or to one Army Regiment: Death or Glory.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 12, 2022 11:45:15 GMT
Look no further than the Comedy duo of Mitchell & Webb, ‘’are we the baddies’’ skull skit on utube, still makes me laugh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 13:04:08 GMT
The problem with the skull and crossbones is it implies we are dead... which we will be without a new stadium! To be fair it’s only been seven years, what do you expect?
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Nov 17, 2022 13:26:07 GMT
Club Statement. Over the past few weeks, Bristol Rovers has been actively engaging with supporters on a possible new crest to positively represent the club moving forward.
It was felt that, after 25 years of the current logo, it could be time to modernise it. The existing option is also not particularly versatile and poses problems when it comes to applying to merchandise or using it through online channels. Finally, it was felt that the current pirate was more representative of an Admiral and the direction of the sword often leaves the crest off-centre.
The plan for this process has always been to be open and honest and to try and find a solution that all supporters could get behind.
To date, this process has involved three surveys to canvass opinions from all supporters on whether you would be open to change and what changes you would like to see.
The first allowed initial feedback to be shared on all aspects of the crest; this resulted in a strong resistance to a circular template-style crest and had a small majority of supporters that were open to change. As there was a majority, it was decided that the process would continue to see if a consensus could be gained.
The follow-up survey took the predominant themes that were mentioned in the initial surveys and gave some examples to further fuel conversation and input across three areas - shape, imagery and font. Again, there were clear preferences for one option in each category, with a majority of supporters in favour of each choice.
The third survey then pulled together the selected options into an initial concept crest, with a view to garnering further feedback to work towards a position where we could create a final crest through more in-depth focus groups.
However, within this final survey, for the first time, it was clear that the current route wasn’t the right path to go down. We have therefore taken the decision to halt the process and we will continue with the existing logo.
Since the release of this survey, we have been inundated with responses from supporters who have designed their own concepts and shared their own feedback. Thanks to all of those that have taken the time to develop these concepts and should any of these gain traction in the future, the club can re-open the process.
Thanks to all supporters for your continued support and cooperation.
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Post by rufustfirefly on Nov 17, 2022 14:19:48 GMT
Staying with the current badge is the correct outcome in my humble opinion..... updating the existing crest would appear to be the most popular option.
Perhaps more importantly the process employed to approach this concept was one that engaged the fan base in an open and transparent dialogue.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 17, 2022 14:36:04 GMT
Club Statement. Over the past few weeks, Bristol Rovers has been actively engaging with supporters on a possible new crest to positively represent the club moving forward. It was felt that, after 25 years of the current logo, it could be time to modernise it. The existing option is also not particularly versatile and poses problems when it comes to applying to merchandise or using it through online channels. Finally, it was felt that the current pirate was more representative of an Admiral and the direction of the sword often leaves the crest off-centre. The plan for this process has always been to be open and honest and to try and find a solution that all supporters could get behind. To date, this process has involved three surveys to canvass opinions from all supporters on whether you would be open to change and what changes you would like to see. The first allowed initial feedback to be shared on all aspects of the crest; this resulted in a strong resistance to a circular template-style crest and had a small majority of supporters that were open to change. As there was a majority, it was decided that the process would continue to see if a consensus could be gained. The follow-up survey took the predominant themes that were mentioned in the initial surveys and gave some examples to further fuel conversation and input across three areas - shape, imagery and font. Again, there were clear preferences for one option in each category, with a majority of supporters in favour of each choice. The third survey then pulled together the selected options into an initial concept crest, with a view to garnering further feedback to work towards a position where we could create a final crest through more in-depth focus groups. However, within this final survey, for the first time, it was clear that the current route wasn’t the right path to go down. We have therefore taken the decision to halt the process and we will continue with the existing logo. Since the release of this survey, we have been inundated with responses from supporters who have designed their own concepts and shared their own feedback. Thanks to all of those that have taken the time to develop these concepts and should any of these gain traction in the future, the club can re-open the process. Thanks to all supporters for your continued support and cooperation. I had a feeling that this would be the outcome since seeing Wael reply to a question in the Tote end old boys and saying that whatever design came first, nothing would happen until he signed off on it and it seems sense has prevailed. Credit where it is due, somethings are just best left alone. Well done but i still can’t help but feel it was a complete waste of time. Hopefully we can look forward to some well needed news on a stadium, fingers crossed.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Nov 17, 2022 16:30:55 GMT
Does Wael have a tatoo on his ass too?
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 17, 2022 18:20:51 GMT
On balance, I'm glad we're sticking with the slightly camp pirate. It's distinctive. Shows inclusivity.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 17, 2022 18:55:17 GMT
Thanks Colyton for being on the ball with this and posting. 👍
Good to hear that the exercise has resulted in what was said by most on here. Not sure how representative of the fans the forums and twitter are but the club appears to have listened to the vast number who were against the idea of changing the badge. Not sure if this will effect how the club will go about “branding” sports wear and other stuff. Whilst the badge won’t change, atm, they haven’t said yet what they will do about the “branding” on their sportswear range. I guess that could change without having a badge change. Esp as they say the branding of sportswear is so difficult with an ‘off-centre’ badge.
Whilst I can see the idea that some may think it a waste of time I’ll give the club the benefit of doubt and say it was an exercise where, in the end, the club listened to what fans were saying. Well done the club. In the end!! And in the end it was good to see fans do have an influence on what the club does. It’s been a good exercise in the club realising that the fans / clients / customers are very important esp when they will be the ones who buy or don’t buy any merchandise that the club market so their views are important.
UTG!
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Post by darloGAS on Nov 17, 2022 19:41:51 GMT
Thanks Colyton for being on the ball with this and posting. 👍 Good to hear that the exercise has resulted in what was said by most on here. Not sure how representative of the fans the forums and twitter are but the club appears to have listened to the vast number who were against the idea of changing the badge. Not sure if this will effect how the club will go about “branding” sports wear and other stuff. Whilst the badge won’t change, atm, they haven’t said yet what they will do about the “branding” on their sportswear range. I guess that could change without having a badge change. Esp as they say the branding of sportswear is so difficult with an ‘off-centre’ badge. Whilst I can see the idea that some may think it a waste of time I’ll give the club the benefit of doubt and say it was an exercise where, in the end, the club listened to what fans were saying. Well done the club. In the end!! And in the end it was good to see fans do have an influence on what the club does. It’s been a good exercise in the club realising that the fans / clients / customers are very important esp when they will be the ones who buy or don’t buy any merchandise that the club market so their views are important. UTG! #UpTheROVERS
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 18, 2022 11:15:17 GMT
Staying with the current badge is the correct outcome in my humble opinion..... updating the existing crest would appear to be the most popular option. Perhaps more importantly the process employed to approach this concept was one that engaged the fan base in an open and transparent dialogue. Even the big brand players hardly ever redesign a logo that they have spent millions on advertising to get said logo known, subtle tweaks only.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2022 11:42:50 GMT
Another wholly impressive dead cat launched on the table by the board. Tick, tock, nearly seven years.
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 18, 2022 15:24:57 GMT
Thanks Colyton for being on the ball with this and posting. 👍 Good to hear that the exercise has resulted in what was said by most on here. Not sure how representative of the fans the forums and twitter are but the club appears to have listened to the vast number who were against the idea of changing the badge. Not sure if this will effect how the club will go about “branding” sports wear and other stuff. Whilst the badge won’t change, atm, they haven’t said yet what they will do about the “branding” on their sportswear range. I guess that could change without having a badge change. Esp as they say the branding of sportswear is so difficult with an ‘off-centre’ badge. Whilst I can see the idea that some may think it a waste of time I’ll give the club the benefit of doubt and say it was an exercise where, in the end, the club listened to what fans were saying. Well done the club. In the end!! And in the end it was good to see fans do have an influence on what the club does. It’s been a good exercise in the club realising that the fans / clients / customers are very important esp when they will be the ones who buy or don’t buy any merchandise that the club market so their views are important. UTG! Not sure fans were against a redesign generally, just against the shockingly bad clipart designs they came up with as a replacement. If the club had produced some professionally designed badges, then fans may have been more willing to accept a change.
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Post by Igitur on Nov 18, 2022 16:40:23 GMT
I think the club said it was trying to keep costs down and was in an opinions gathering exercise. Redesigns do not come cheap, the 'new' Tory logo cost around £40000.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 18, 2022 17:59:19 GMT
Thanks Colyton for being on the ball with this and posting. 👍 Good to hear that the exercise has resulted in what was said by most on here. Not sure how representative of the fans the forums and twitter are but the club appears to have listened to the vast number who were against the idea of changing the badge. Not sure if this will effect how the club will go about “branding” sports wear and other stuff. Whilst the badge won’t change, atm, they haven’t said yet what they will do about the “branding” on their sportswear range. I guess that could change without having a badge change. Esp as they say the branding of sportswear is so difficult with an ‘off-centre’ badge. Whilst I can see the idea that some may think it a waste of time I’ll give the club the benefit of doubt and say it was an exercise where, in the end, the club listened to what fans were saying. Well done the club. In the end!! And in the end it was good to see fans do have an influence on what the club does. It’s been a good exercise in the club realising that the fans / clients / customers are very important esp when they will be the ones who buy or don’t buy any merchandise that the club market so their views are important. UTG! Not sure fans were against a redesign generally, just against the shockingly bad clipart designs they came up with as a replacement. If the club had produced some professionally designed badges, then fans may have been more willing to accept a change. You may be right. Knowing that responses can be extreme they really did need to be prepared with some better options than they had ready. But I also think they confused the idea that being ‘open to change’ was the same as ‘wanted change’ as was said in the second and third stage of the consultation. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2022 0:59:04 GMT
I think the club said it was trying to keep costs down and was in an opinions gathering exercise. Redesigns do not come cheap, the 'new' Tory logo cost around £40000. This is like comparing buying a car from Cinch to a Formula One car. If they were that keen on keeping costs down they’d have just shut up. Instead they did an in house cock up which took the aggregate ideas of a load of bozos then whacked them on a page together. Utterly useless attempt.
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Post by alftupper on Nov 19, 2022 7:02:15 GMT
Does Wael have a tatoo on his ass too? No.
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