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Post by swissgas on Jul 2, 2022 13:04:42 GMT
even if we announced a ground tomorrow you are looking at those 4 years before it's built He will be well gone by 2026 one way or another whether it's bad results or good results on the pitch That's just wishful thinking on your part Sprout. You don't know how long JB will be at Rovers.It's clear he and Wael have a very good relationship,possibly backed up by a few bob £. As it stands he's signed on for about 200 more games. I don’t think it means a lot Bas. Darrell Clarke was given a five year contract but left just over a year later.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 2, 2022 13:06:08 GMT
That's just wishful thinking on your part Sprout. You don't know how long JB will be at Rovers.It's clear he and Wael have a very good relationship,possibly backed up by a few bob £. As it stands he's signed on for about 200 more games. I don’t think it means a lot Bas. Darrell Clarke was given a five year contract but left just over a year later. That's true and one possible outcome Swiss. Thing is,no one knows.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 2, 2022 13:09:28 GMT
even if we announced a ground tomorrow you are looking at those 4 years before it's built He will be well gone by 2026 one way or another whether it's bad results or good results on the pitch That's just wishful thinking on your part Sprout. You don't know how long JB will be at Rovers.It's clear he and Wael have a very good relationship,possibly backed up by a few bob £. As it stands he's signed on for about 200 more games. How is it wishful thinkin? Just reality regardless of any feelings I have towards the bloke We arent going to be in a new ground in the next 4 years, so JBs future is solely based on results on the pitch. Relegation would see him sacked I would think, Promotion would see him in demand by bigger clubs with better facilities. Do you think he will be here in 2026 after 3 season of mid-table in L1? One thing I dont doubt about JB is his ambition
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Post by baselswh on Jul 2, 2022 13:23:21 GMT
That's just wishful thinking on your part Sprout. You don't know how long JB will be at Rovers.It's clear he and Wael have a very good relationship,possibly backed up by a few bob £. As it stands he's signed on for about 200 more games. How is it wishful thinkin? Just reality regardless of any feelings I have towards the bloke We arent going to be in a new ground in the next 4 years, so JBs future is solely based on results on the pitch. Relegation would see him sacked I would think, Promotion would see him in demand by bigger clubs with better facilities. Do you think he will be here in 2026 after 3 season of mid-table in L1? One thing I dont doubt about JB is his ambition You posted,' hopefully we'll go up and he (JB) f**ks off'. You 'wish' him gone. Some predicted/hoped he would'nt of lasted last season.Well that was wrong/rubbish. You make a traditional football argument for how things may go,i see that and agree the possibilities you state are possible,but,it is still a guess. JB is Waels General and as so,he has real power at Rovers. That means any fc that wants Joe will probably have to offer him something similar,at least an excellent offer. What if eg the FM stadium completion is in sight, then all of a 'sudden',Joes realistic personal ambition is matched by Rovers. I'm loving this current era at Rovers.
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Post by Bath Gas on Jul 2, 2022 13:38:11 GMT
The timing is odd. Why now? A very poor start to the season (quite possible, no-one knows) and the cost of releasing him from his contract has gone up massively. Why not deal with the contract extension after October 31st? It's not very likely we could be top 3 at Halloween and B***** is poached by a Championship side. I interpret this as a message that even if B***** is found guilty of assaulting his wife, Wael will stand by his man. JB was being linked to Burnley in the summer, if we start off the season reasonably well (doesn't need to be top 3), other clubs may well coming sniffing around if they sack their manager. Makes sense to get him on a longer deal, rather than going into his final year with us, in case this scenario were to happen. We have no idea if there is a clause in the new contract regarding termination if JB is found guilty. I don't really see the need to put a negative slant on such a positive announcement by the club, when we don't know the finer details.
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Post by Bath Gas on Jul 2, 2022 13:39:32 GMT
That's just wishful thinking on your part Sprout. You don't know how long JB will be at Rovers.It's clear he and Wael have a very good relationship,possibly backed up by a few bob £. As it stands he's signed on for about 200 more games. I don’t think it means a lot Bas. Darrell Clarke was given a five year contract but left just over a year later. Probably more compensation for Rovers if another club did try to tempt JB away, rather than if we had left him running down the final year of his previous contract?
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Post by swissgas on Jul 2, 2022 13:53:48 GMT
I don’t think it means a lot Bas. Darrell Clarke was given a five year contract but left just over a year later. That's true and one possible outcome Swiss. Thing is,no one knows. I thought JB was subdued in the interview he gave yesterday. Gashead sentiment swings from one extreme to the other and we usually ignore the tell tale signs of what is really going on in the background. Most now believe a stadium announcement is imminent and a surge to the Championship likely but we’ve been here many times before. It may be that JB has become aware that Rovers do have financial limitations and he is not going to get every player or every infrastructure improvement he wants. The departure of Tony Warner may be more significant than we think and this new contract may be a way of keeping the ballyhoo going while more important activity is taking place elsewhere.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 2, 2022 14:12:29 GMT
That's true and one possible outcome Swiss. Thing is,no one knows. I thought JB was subdued in the interview he gave yesterday. Gashead sentiment swings from one extreme to the other and we usually ignore the tell tale signs of what is really going on in the background. Most now believe a stadium announcement is imminent and a surge to the Championship likely but we’ve been here many times before. It may be that JB has become aware that Rovers do have financial limitations and he is not going to get every player or every infrastructure improvement he wants. The departure of Tony Warner may be more significant than we think and this new contract may be a way of keeping the ballyhoo going while more important activity is taking place elsewhere. Steady on Frank.👍
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 2, 2022 15:50:01 GMT
The timing is odd. Why now? A very poor start to the season (quite possible, no-one knows) and the cost of releasing him from his contract has gone up massively. Why not deal with the contract extension after October 31st? It's not very likely we could be top 3 at Halloween and B***** is poached by a Championship side. I interpret this as a message that even if B***** is found guilty of assaulting his wife, Wael will stand by his man. JB was being linked to Burnley in the summer, if we start off the season reasonably well (doesn't need to be top 3), other clubs may well coming sniffing around if they sack their manager. Makes sense to get him on a longer deal, rather than going into his final year with us, in case this scenario were to happen. We have no idea if there is a clause in the new contract regarding termination if JB is found guilty. I don't really see the need to put a negative slant on such a positive announcement by the club, when we don't know the finer details. "negative slant on such a positive announcement" 1. I wasn't even that negative (for me). Just questioning the timing of the contract extension with yet another court appearance due in 4 months time. 2. We've extended the contract of a manager who has criminal convictions for violence, a very long list of (at best) unsavoury incidents, and a court case hanging over him for allegedly "grabbing his wife by the throat, pushing her to the floor, and kicking her in the face". You take your positives out of that. Good for you.
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Post by Bath Gas on Jul 2, 2022 16:03:45 GMT
JB was being linked to Burnley in the summer, if we start off the season reasonably well (doesn't need to be top 3), other clubs may well coming sniffing around if they sack their manager. Makes sense to get him on a longer deal, rather than going into his final year with us, in case this scenario were to happen. We have no idea if there is a clause in the new contract regarding termination if JB is found guilty. I don't really see the need to put a negative slant on such a positive announcement by the club, when we don't know the finer details. "negative slant on such a positive announcement" 1. I wasn't even that negative (for me). Just questioning the timing of the contract extension with yet another court appearance due in 4 months time. 2. We've extended the contract of a manager who has criminal convictions for violence, a very long list of (at best) unsavoury incidents, and a court case hanging over him for allegedly "grabbing his wife by the throat, pushing her to the floor, and kicking her in the face". You take your positives out of that. Good for you. Point 1 - the Court case seems to be dragging on, for something which some people seem to think is so clear cut that JB should be hanging from the gallows by now. Point 2 - We knew about JB's previous misdemeanors when we gave him the initial contract. Since then he has been not found to be guilty of the charge which was still to be settled when we signed him. "Allegedly" is the key word in your final point - there may well be a clause in the new contract in the event of a "guilty" verdict. For me - We've got a manager who has revolutionised the club, both on and off the field. We obtained promotion, exactly as JB predicted, he also predicted that we wouldn't see the best of the squad until after Christmas - maybe he has a crystal ball, or maybe he knows his onions? We've almost broken the record number of season ticket sales since we've been at The Mem. That's worthy of an extended contract in my book.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 3, 2022 10:53:44 GMT
The timing is odd. Why now? A very poor start to the season (quite possible, no-one knows) and the cost of releasing him from his contract has gone up massively. Why not deal with the contract extension after October 31st? It's not very likely we could be top 3 at Halloween and B***** is poached by a Championship side. I interpret this as a message that even if B***** is found guilty of assaulting his wife, Wael will stand by his man. The cost of severence is only going to be what is agreed though. Not usually more than 12 months is it. I assume he has had a pay rise though. I understand to a degree Rovers protecting their asset. Court cases and past actions seem to bother clubs less and less now. Plenty of examples, of if they think someone will do a job, they will go and get them regardless and more and more fans will accept anything if their club wins a few football matches. it's only of their is significant fan outrage that anything happens otherwise Most recently I notice Luke McCormick was voted into a Plymouth Argyle wall of fame and that just made me want to vomit a little bit. No matter how good a player he may have been for them, to see him elevated in such a way is just... “The cost of severence‘ coins tend to have two sides. Severance can have two sides. If someone wants our manager, the one the board want to tie down, they have to pay.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 3, 2022 13:24:21 GMT
That's true and one possible outcome Swiss. Thing is,no one knows. I thought JB was subdued in the interview he gave yesterday. Gashead sentiment swings from one extreme to the other and we usually ignore the tell tale signs of what is really going on in the background. Most now believe a stadium announcement is imminent and a surge to the Championship likely but we’ve been here many times before. It may be that JB has become aware that Rovers do have financial limitations and he is not going to get every player or every infrastructure improvement he wants. The departure of Tony Warner may be more significant than we think and this new contract may be a way of keeping the ballyhoo going while more important activity is taking place elsewhere. Warner already threw hips toys out of the proverbial pram, under Tisdale and then came back. The warning signs were there. I imagine there are a fair few GK coaches available. I don’t see it as a big deal tbh
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Post by swissgas on Jul 3, 2022 13:41:48 GMT
I thought JB was subdued in the interview he gave yesterday. Gashead sentiment swings from one extreme to the other and we usually ignore the tell tale signs of what is really going on in the background. Most now believe a stadium announcement is imminent and a surge to the Championship likely but we’ve been here many times before. It may be that JB has become aware that Rovers do have financial limitations and he is not going to get every player or every infrastructure improvement he wants. The departure of Tony Warner may be more significant than we think and this new contract may be a way of keeping the ballyhoo going while more important activity is taking place elsewhere. Warner already threw hips toys out of the proverbial pram, under Tisdale and then came back. The warning signs were there. I imagine there are a fair few GK coaches available. I don’t see it as a big deal tbh I think that was another goalkeeping coach KP. Tony Warner is the Liverpudlian coach brought in by JB and said to be part of his “close knit” team as was Clint Hill. His words about the “environment” and the need, without any prompting, to say “ the training ground is very very good” tells its own story IMO. I think the back room staff like the majority of Gasheads want to believe that JB can make it all happen but there comes a time when the reality has to be faced that there are limitations as to what he or anyone else can do with the present set up.
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Post by kentgas on Jul 3, 2022 13:46:15 GMT
I thought JB was subdued in the interview he gave yesterday. Gashead sentiment swings from one extreme to the other and we usually ignore the tell tale signs of what is really going on in the background. Most now believe a stadium announcement is imminent and a surge to the Championship likely but we’ve been here many times before. It may be that JB has become aware that Rovers do have financial limitations and he is not going to get every player or every infrastructure improvement he wants. The departure of Tony Warner may be more significant than we think and this new contract may be a way of keeping the ballyhoo going while more important activity is taking place elsewhere. Warner already threw hips toys out of the proverbial pram, under Tisdale and then came back. The warning signs were there. I imagine there are a fair few GK coaches available. I don’t see it as a big deal tbh David Coles was the one you are thinking about not Warner
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 3, 2022 14:38:33 GMT
Warner already threw hips toys out of the proverbial pram, under Tisdale and then came back. The warning signs were there. I imagine there are a fair few GK coaches available. I don’t see it as a big deal tbh David Coles was the one you are thinking about not Warner You are right, my apologies
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Post by harrybuckle on Jul 3, 2022 19:46:06 GMT
What about Steve Phillips as gk coach lives in Bath snd qualified coach
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 4, 2022 10:32:48 GMT
What about Steve Phillips as gk coach lives in Bath snd qualified coach I will always be grateful to him and how he put his all into being our GK, the guy has had all kinds of threats and more, from the 82. If he is deemed good enough then why not, if he has the relevant qualifications then he should apply but i guess our manager will be finding the next coach
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 14:39:47 GMT
What about Steve Phillips as gk coach lives in Bath snd qualified coach Plainly Nige was a better keeper, but have to say that Stevie Phillips is my favourite ever Gas keeper. An all round top man.
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Post by keygas on Jul 4, 2022 15:03:27 GMT
Record season ticket sales, amazing what the B***** effect is having on this great club.
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Post by dido on Jul 4, 2022 15:16:58 GMT
Wow. Did you see the deeply significant way Wael said ''Up the Gas'' Clearly B***** the Manipulator fed him the word 'Up' there.
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