towngas
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Post by towngas on Nov 23, 2021 19:27:05 GMT
Of course you’re right and others, all forums, probably do discuss these things but that doesn’t necessarily make it right. Best to leave it to the courts to decide on the evidence they have. Not sure some of the stuff is accurate or helpful but it is what it is. I guess everyone decides whether to participate or not. Haven’t got long to wait now, we’ll soon know. UTG! To be frank I don’t care what the courts say, i see a guy with an insecurity complex that makes him a ticking time bomb and leaves him open to outburst of rage and outrageous statements, such as being more intelligent that 97percent of the rest of us. I have an high IQ it this is this first i have ever mentioned it and i know there is a huge difference to book smart and common sense. I just see him as a rotten apple and even if he did, somehow, do well here then he would show no loyalty to the club. He does what he wants, when he wants and Wael certainly hasn’t the balls to stand up to him. Good grief, have you added remote psychological profiling to your never ending list of talents?
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 23, 2021 19:42:44 GMT
To be frank I don’t care what the courts say, i see a guy with an insecurity complex that makes him a ticking time bomb and leaves him open to outburst of rage and outrageous statements, such as being more intelligent that 97percent of the rest of us. I have an high IQ it this is this first i have ever mentioned it and i know there is a huge difference to book smart and common sense. I just see him as a rotten apple and even if he did, somehow, do well here then he would show no loyalty to the club. He does what he wants, when he wants and Wael certainly hasn’t the balls to stand up to him. Good grief, have you added remote psychological profiling to your never ending list of talents? Funny you should mention it but i did do a six month course on profiling and found it very interesting plus it led me to have a huge interest in psychology, body language and much more.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 20:56:57 GMT
Should know better than to get into a discussion with you, or several of the others, but what on earth are you droning on about here? Yes, We are all wrong uns by not flowing your narrative eh What?
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Post by Bath Gas on Nov 23, 2021 22:24:53 GMT
So you don't want to look at facts and information published by the Government's own Office for National Statistics. You don't trust experts then, no of course not. I should have known. Your opinion on men being given rough justice is just speculation and without foundation. All because you want to defend male violence. It is pointless debating with someone who isn't interested in facts and figures and getting to the truth and is only interested in fantasy, spreading falsehood and his obvious own insecurity. Lies, damned lies and statistics. Any rape allegation which doesn’t make it to charge is because it’s probably bollox. Believe me, the Police and CPS will drag any rape or DV job to court on the flimsiest of evidence. Remember the maxim, what gets measured gets done. Ched Evans, an unpleasant character in many ways was falsely accused of rape, prosecuted and locked up. He continued his fight and was found not guilty on appeal. One of the reasons he was found guilty in the first place is because the Police and CPS conspired to keep unhelpful evidence away from the defence. Do you really approve of a justice system that even contemplates such despicable behaviour? People on here have accused me of being a misogynist and wanting to allow men to carry out violence against women. I have never said anything remotely like that, it’s just the typical hysterical reaction if anyone has the temerity to question every allegation and ask the facts be rigorously tested by the courts. That’s all iIve been advocating. Rape is a very easy allegation to make, proving or disproving it is much more difficult. For the record, any man found guilty of rape should be banged up and the key thrown away, but only after the most rigorous examination of the evidence. How would you feel if you were so accused but knew you hadn’t done it? Would you throw your hands up in submission and plead guilty to save your accuser any embarrassment, or would you fight tooth and nail and use every avenue at your disposal to prove you’re innocence and preserve your freedom? How would you feel, even when found not guilty, to be labelled a rapist and have your name dragged through the mud, knowing your accuser would retain her anonymity? Over to you and yours for more sanctimonious twaddle. The recent documentary about Avon & Somerset Constabulary investigating rapes does not back up your point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 22:44:16 GMT
So you don't want to look at facts and information published by the Government's own Office for National Statistics. You don't trust experts then, no of course not. I should have known. Your opinion on men being given rough justice is just speculation and without foundation. All because you want to defend male violence. It is pointless debating with someone who isn't interested in facts and figures and getting to the truth and is only interested in fantasy, spreading falsehood and his obvious own insecurity. Lies, damned lies and statistics. Any rape allegation which doesn’t make it to charge is because it’s probably bollox. Believe me, the Police and CPS will drag any rape or DV job to court on the flimsiest of evidence. Remember the maxim, what gets measured gets done. Ched Evans, an unpleasant character in many ways was falsely accused of rape, prosecuted and locked up. He continued his fight and was found not guilty on appeal. One of the reasons he was found guilty in the first place is because the Police and CPS conspired to keep unhelpful evidence away from the defence. Do you really approve of a justice system that even contemplates such despicable behaviour? People on here have accused me of being a misogynist and wanting to allow men to carry out violence against women. I have never said anything remotely like that, it’s just the typical hysterical reaction if anyone has the temerity to question every allegation and ask the facts be rigorously tested by the courts. That’s all iIve been advocating. Rape is a very easy allegation to make, proving or disproving it is much more difficult. For the record, any man found guilty of rape should be banged up and the key thrown away, but only after the most rigorous examination of the evidence. How would you feel if you were so accused but knew you hadn’t done it? Would you throw your hands up in submission and plead guilty to save your accuser any embarrassment, or would you fight tooth and nail and use every avenue at your disposal to prove you’re innocence and preserve your freedom? How would you feel, even when found not guilty, to be labelled a rapist and have your name dragged through the mud, knowing your accuser would retain her anonymity? Over to you and yours for more sanctimonious twaddle. What evidence did the Police and CPS suppress in the Ched Evans case?
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 23, 2021 23:19:50 GMT
Back in the day bas used to talk about 'twaddle'
It's a word that's well worth bringing back imo
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 24, 2021 18:45:48 GMT
Back in the day bas used to talk about 'twaddle' It's a word that's well worth bringing back imo Research suggests 'twaddle' was introduced into British language and dictionary in 1987. On the release of that Waddle and Hoddle single! 🤭
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 19:19:25 GMT
Back in the day bas used to talk about 'twaddle' It's a word that's well worth bringing back imo
I prefer the good old fashioned word 'Boll*x'
And my god there is enough of that spouted on here at times.
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towngas
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Post by towngas on Nov 24, 2021 20:31:32 GMT
Back in the day bas used to talk about 'twaddle' It's a word that's well worth bringing back imo I think you’ll find I have.
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towngas
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Post by towngas on Nov 24, 2021 20:33:18 GMT
Lies, damned lies and statistics. Any rape allegation which doesn’t make it to charge is because it’s probably bollox. Believe me, the Police and CPS will drag any rape or DV job to court on the flimsiest of evidence. Remember the maxim, what gets measured gets done. AChed Evans, an unpleasant character in many ways was falsely accused of rape, prosecuted and locked up. He continued his fight and was found not guilty on appeal. One of the reasons he was found guilty in the first place is because the Police and CPS conspired to keep unhelpful evidence away from the defence. Do you really approve of a justice system that even contemplates such despicable behaviour? People on here have accused me of being a misogynist and wanting to allow men to carry out violence against women. I have never said anything remotely like that, it’s just the typical hysterical reaction if anyone has the temerity to question every allegation and ask the facts be rigorously tested by the courts. That’s all iIve been advocating. Rape is a very easy allegation to make, proving or disproving it is much more difficult. For the record, any man found guilty of rape should be banged up and the key thrown away, but only after the most rigorous examination of the evidence. How would you feel if you were so accused but knew you hadn’t done it? Would you throw your hands up in submission and plead guilty to save your accuser any embarrassment, or would you fight tooth and nail and use every avenue at your disposal to prove you’re innocence and preserve your freedom? How would you feel, even when found not guilty, to be labelled a rapist and have your name dragged through the mud, knowing your accuser would retain her anonymity? Over to you and yours for more sanctimonious twaddle. What evidence did the Police and CPS suppress in the Ched Evans case? I believe they failed to mention the young ladies previous and promiscuous behaviour. At the very least that should have been treated as unused material and released to the defence.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 20:39:07 GMT
What evidence did the Police and CPS suppress in the Ched Evans case? I believe they failed to mention the young ladies previous and promiscuous behaviour. At the very least that should have been treated as unused material and released to the defence. Did they know? There's all sorts of stuff written on the internet about this. Given the nature of the case, might I suggest that you think very carefully before making statements or accusations, if nothing else, out of respect for the forum admin team.
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 24, 2021 20:40:43 GMT
Back in the day bas used to talk about 'twaddle' It's a word that's well worth bringing back imo I think you’ll find I have. You have made the tiniest dent in it It's a start, but the flatted calf isn't yet a twinkle in its great great grandfather's eye I think
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Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 25, 2021 10:39:17 GMT
So you don't want to look at facts and information published by the Government's own Office for National Statistics. You don't trust experts then, no of course not. I should have known. Your opinion on men being given rough justice is just speculation and without foundation. All because you want to defend male violence. It is pointless debating with someone who isn't interested in facts and figures and getting to the truth and is only interested in fantasy, spreading falsehood and his obvious own insecurity. Lies, damned lies and statistics. Any rape allegation which doesn’t make it to charge is because it’s probably bollox. Believe me, the Police and CPS will drag any rape or DV job to court on the flimsiest of evidence. Remember the maxim, what gets measured gets done. Ched Evans, an unpleasant character in many ways was falsely accused of rape, prosecuted and locked up. He continued his fight and was found not guilty on appeal. One of the reasons he was found guilty in the first place is because the Police and CPS conspired to keep unhelpful evidence away from the defence. Do you really approve of a justice system that even contemplates such despicable behaviour? People on here have accused me of being a misogynist and wanting to allow men to carry out violence against women. I have never said anything remotely like that, it’s just the typical hysterical reaction if anyone has the temerity to question every allegation and ask the facts be rigorously tested by the courts. That’s all iIve been advocating. Rape is a very easy allegation to make, proving or disproving it is much more difficult. For the record, any man found guilty of rape should be banged up and the key thrown away, but only after the most rigorous examination of the evidence. How would you feel if you were so accused but knew you hadn’t done it? Would you throw your hands up in submission and plead guilty to save your accuser any embarrassment, or would you fight tooth and nail and use every avenue at your disposal to prove you’re innocence and preserve your freedom? How would you feel, even when found not guilty, to be labelled a rapist and have your name dragged through the mud, knowing your accuser would retain her anonymity? Over to you and yours for more sanctimonious twaddle. The fact YOU disagree with - ~ Police ~ Government statistics ~ Women's support groups include Rape Crisis groups ~ Suicide support groups, etc Doesn't make it 'sanctimonious twaddle'. The fact you have issues with violence against women and excuse it is very sad. Anyway you aren't going to change your view or listen to facts and experts so it's pointless continuing. I sincerely hope you never have a reason to be forced to change your view.
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towngas
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Post by towngas on Nov 25, 2021 14:36:48 GMT
Lies, damned lies and statistics. Any rape allegation which doesn’t make it to charge is because it’s probably bollox. Believe me, the Police and CPS will drag any rape or DV job to court on the flimsiest of evidence. Remember the maxim, what gets measured gets done. Ched Evans, an unpleasant character in many ways was falsely accused of rape, prosecuted and locked up. He continued his fight and was found not guilty on appeal. One of the reasons he was found guilty in the first place is because the Police and CPS conspired to keep unhelpful evidence away from the defence. Do you really approve of a justice system that even contemplates such despicable behaviour? People on here have accused me of being a misogynist and wanting to allow men to carry out violence against women. I have never said anything remotely like that, it’s just the typical hysterical reaction if anyone has the temerity to question every allegation and ask the facts be rigorously tested by the courts. That’s all iIve been advocating. Rape is a very easy allegation to make, proving or disproving it is much more difficult. For the record, any man found guilty of rape should be banged up and the key thrown away, but only after the most rigorous examination of the evidence. How would you feel if you were so accused but knew you hadn’t done it? Would you throw your hands up in submission and plead guilty to save your accuser any embarrassment, or would you fight tooth and nail and use every avenue at your disposal to prove you’re innocence and preserve your freedom? How would you feel, even when found not guilty, to be labelled a rapist and have your name dragged through the mud, knowing your accuser would retain her anonymity? Over to you and yours for more sanctimonious twaddle. The fact YOU disagree with - ~ Police ~ Government statistics ~ Women's support groups include Rape Crisis groups ~ Suicide support groups, etc Doesn't make it 'sanctimonious twaddle'. The fact you have issues with violence against women and excuse it is very sad. Anyway you aren't going to change your view or listen to facts and experts so it's pointless continuing. I sincerely hope you never have a reason to be forced to change your view. I never said I disagree with any of the above, I said that statistics are very fluid and can be manipulated to prove whatever it is you wish to prove. I have also never attempted to excuse violence against women, or violence against men, for that matter. I do wish you’d READ what people write before exploding into a multi-coloured ball of pious, holier than thou rage. I have written previously that any man guilty of rape should be banged up and the key thrown away. I don’t think I could be any clearer. You performed a body-swerve there that Nicholson would be proud of. I asked if you would use every avenue open to you to avoid being convicted of rape. Care to answer? Because that’s what’s important; never mind shouting your mouth off about what should happen to other people and how those who have been accused of rape should be treated. What would you do?
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 25, 2021 16:11:41 GMT
What evidence did the Police and CPS suppress in the Ched Evans case? I believe they failed to mention the young ladies previous and promiscuous behaviour. At the very least that should have been treated as unused material and released to the defence. And that has nothing to do with the case. Defence legal teams may want to use that history but am pretty sure that the previous history can’t be used as a defence to what happened in the case in question. It has nothing to do with Evans’ behaviour on the night? It was his behaviour that was being questioned, not her character. Edit: I believe I’m replying to towngas not TWD. It looks like towngas quoted TWD in the wrong place.
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towngas
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Post by towngas on Nov 25, 2021 16:50:58 GMT
And that has nothing to do with the case. Defence legal teams may want to use that history but am pretty sure that the previous history can’t be used as a defence to what happened in the case in question. It has nothing to do with Evans’ behaviour on the night? It was his behaviour that was being questioned, not her character. Edit: I believe I’m replying to towngas not TWD. It looks like towngas quoted TWD in the wrong place. And you quite clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. But what’s new?
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 25, 2021 19:19:03 GMT
And that has nothing to do with the case. Defence legal teams may want to use that history but am pretty sure that the previous history can’t be used as a defence to what happened in the case in question. It has nothing to do with Evans’ behaviour on the night? It was his behaviour that was being questioned, not her character. Edit: I believe I’m replying to towngas not TWD. It looks like towngas quoted TWD in the wrong place. And you quite clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. But what’s new? Ahh. Coming, after reading your posts in this thread I’ll take that as a compliment. 😉 UTG!
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Post by towngas on Nov 26, 2021 7:57:27 GMT
And you quite clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. But what’s new? Ahh. Coming, after reading your posts in this thread I’ll take that as a compliment. 😉 UTG! This doesn’t make sense, what’s new? But if it’s given you an orgasm I’m very happy for you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 8:12:42 GMT
...if it’s given you an orgasm I’m very happy for you. Gentlemen, behave.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 26, 2021 9:54:06 GMT
...if it’s given you an orgasm I’m very happy for you. Gentlemen, behave. Sorry Shovs but how have I misbehaved? Please explain. UTG!
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