Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 22, 2021 15:05:44 GMT
I bet your Grandpapa served more than a decade in the subcontinent without once removing his tie or loosening his collar, eh Chesh? Overheard at Rorke`s Drift.
Private. "Here they come again..there`s thousands of `em." Officer. "Wait for the order to fire..wait for it..wait for it...SIMPKINS, DO YOUR TOP BUTTON UP. YOU`RE IN THE BRITISH ARMY, GODDAMMIT." Love this scene from Blackadder, sums it all up.... Especially - Captain Blackadder: Come on, come on, let's move. [at the door, Blackadder turns to George] Don't forget your stick Lieutenant Lieutenant George: Rather, sir. Wouldn't want to face a machine gun without this....
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 22, 2021 17:17:12 GMT
Because its a forum, where we can ask these kind of things. I think that is precisely what its for. Read any other club forum and you will see the same Of course you’re right and others, all forums, probably do discuss these things but that doesn’t necessarily make it right. Best to leave it to the courts to decide on the evidence they have. Not sure some of the stuff is accurate or helpful but it is what it is. I guess everyone decides whether to participate or not. Haven’t got long to wait now, we’ll soon know. UTG! To be frank I don’t care what the courts say, i see a guy with an insecurity complex that makes him a ticking time bomb and leaves him open to outburst of rage and outrageous statements, such as being more intelligent that 97percent of the rest of us. I have an high IQ it this is this first i have ever mentioned it and i know there is a huge difference to book smart and common sense. I just see him as a rotten apple and even if he did, somehow, do well here then he would show no loyalty to the club. He does what he wants, when he wants and Wael certainly hasn’t the balls to stand up to him.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 22, 2021 17:18:34 GMT
Are you aware of the amount of rapes, sexual assaults via drink spiking etc that go unreported because the victims cant face the whole process ? I used to be with a women who was raped and reported it, the police told her that she would have to go through it all in court and basically scared her out of going forward with a prosecution. I can tell you that she had periods of such depression and fear that it was so hard to see. On another note but close, a fair few men get custody of children after a divorce. I once went to a family court and if i had not seen what happened then i would not habve believed it, please believe me, its not as you say. You’ve just asked an unanswerable question there, because no-one can know the number of unreported incidents because they’re, well, unreported. The Police didn’t scare that woman out of going ahead with any prosecution. They laid out the facts and she decided against it. Complainants don’t even have to attend in person any more. They can testify remotely or from behind screens and their anonymity is preserved, what more can be done? Perhaps you’d only be happy if a conviction can be secured on an untested and uncontested allegation. That seems fair. And finally, it may sometimes be for the best and to the children’s advantage if the court sometimes does award custody to the male, or is it an infallible fact that men will always, always be in the wrong? They are recorded just not prosecuted so there is a number
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 22, 2021 17:20:23 GMT
towngas. You have been banned from Gaschat. You have served a temporary ban from Gasheads.org. Maybe time to reign it in a bit. Resorting to threats I see. Write anything that breaches unwritten but all-powerful ‘Woke’ rules and you will be silenced. Not a million miles from establishing a Nazi regime really. Oh dear oh dear. I think we have someone who has been on the losing side and is bitter about it and if i was a betting man, i would put money on it
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 22, 2021 17:24:25 GMT
The Nazis came to power based on fear, lies, bigotry and a weak government that somehow invited Hitler to be chancellor. What happened next is well documented. As much as the admin likes to boss us about and some of the pseudo intellectuals and 24 carat frauds* get all uppity, comparing them to an organisation that perpetrated mass murder and genocide, is ridiculous. *descriptions copyright of a friend of mine who reads this site. I would say they came to power because the French, in particular, wanted their pound of flesh and the treaty of Versailles made it so that German people suffered disproportionately and people were pushing wheelbarrows full of money, just to buy a loaf of bread. Let people go hungry and they will go for any party that promises to change that
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 22, 2021 19:08:05 GMT
Of course you’re right and others, all forums, probably do discuss these things but that doesn’t necessarily make it right. Best to leave it to the courts to decide on the evidence they have. Not sure some of the stuff is accurate or helpful but it is what it is. I guess everyone decides whether to participate or not. Haven’t got long to wait now, we’ll soon know. UTG! To be frank I don’t care what the courts say, i see a guy with an insecurity complex that makes him a ticking time bomb and leaves him open to outburst of rage and outrageous statements, such as being more intelligent that 97percent of the rest of us. I have an high IQ it this is this first i have ever mentioned it and i know there is a huge difference to book smart and common sense. I just see him as a rotten apple and even if he did, somehow, do well here then he would show no loyalty to the club. He does what he wants, when he wants and Wael certainly hasn’t the balls to stand up to him. You may be right KP. I’m just tired of everything to do with BRFC having a JB-tinge. The courts will decide it all, whether we like it or not, which is what happens in this country. Sometimes it’s done quickly, sometimes it takes longer. I could add my opinion but tbh, I’m not sure what that would add to the topic. UTG!
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Post by towngas on Nov 23, 2021 7:35:57 GMT
Thanks to Cheshiregas for a valuable reminder to towngas and Gas Guzzler of what the word 'fact' actually means. I didn’t read any facts. Now, if you’d said pure speculation and guesswork we’d be somewhere nearer the truth.
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Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 23, 2021 9:23:37 GMT
Thanks to Cheshiregas for a valuable reminder to towngas and Gas Guzzler of what the word 'fact' actually means. I didn’t read any facts. Now, if you’d said pure speculation and guesswork we’d be somewhere nearer the truth. So you don't want to look at facts and information published by the Government's own Office for National Statistics. You don't trust experts then, no of course not. I should have known. Your opinion on men being given rough justice is just speculation and without foundation. All because you want to defend male violence. It is pointless debating with someone who isn't interested in facts and figures and getting to the truth and is only interested in fantasy, spreading falsehood and his obvious own insecurity.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 9:53:40 GMT
tanksfull got an overwhelming answer. Yes. Nowt more fickle than football supporters. B***** OUT for wifebeating and 'holocaust'. While Rovers lose. Not now Rovers win. Now it's us dissenters they want out. Tut. Should know better than to get into a discussion with you, or several of the others, but what on earth are you droning on about here?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 11:19:14 GMT
Should know better than to get into a discussion with you, or several of the others, but what on earth are you droning on about here? Thank you for your reply. Have a good day.
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 23, 2021 15:26:39 GMT
Should know better than to get into a discussion with you, or several of the others, but what on earth are you droning on about here? Thank you for your reply. Have a good day. It seems I prattle and you drone. Not a mention of quacking though
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 23, 2021 18:52:15 GMT
I didn’t read any facts. Now, if you’d said pure speculation and guesswork we’d be somewhere nearer the truth. So you don't want to look at facts and information published by the Government's own Office for National Statistics. You don't trust experts then, no of course not. I should have known. Your opinion on men being given rough justice is just speculation and without foundation. All because you want to defend male violence. It is pointless debating with someone who isn't interested in facts and figures and getting to the truth and is only interested in fantasy, spreading falsehood and his obvious own insecurity. Nailed it, i would lay money on this poster having been on the losing side, thank god, given the nature and content of these posts
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 23, 2021 18:56:48 GMT
tanksfull got an overwhelming answer. Yes. Nowt more fickle than football supporters. B***** OUT for wifebeating and 'holocaust'. While Rovers lose. Not now Rovers win. Now it's us dissenters they want out. Tut. Should know better than to get into a discussion with you, or several of the others, but what on earth are you droning on about here? Yes, We are all wrong uns by not flowing your narrative eh
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Post by towngas on Nov 23, 2021 18:57:19 GMT
You’ve just asked an unanswerable question there, because no-one can know the number of unreported incidents because they’re, well, unreported. The Police didn’t scare that woman out of going ahead with any prosecution. They laid out the facts and she decided against it. Complainants don’t even have to attend in person any more. They can testify remotely or from behind screens and their anonymity is preserved, what more can be done? Perhaps you’d only be happy if a conviction can be secured on an untested and uncontested allegation. That seems fair. And finally, it may sometimes be for the best and to the children’s advantage if the court sometimes does award custody to the male, or is it an infallible fact that men will always, always be in the wrong? They are recorded just not prosecuted so there is a number Reported, not reported, recorded or not prosecuted. Make up your mind please. There seems to be some monumental goalpost moving going on.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 23, 2021 19:01:07 GMT
To be frank I don’t care what the courts say, i see a guy with an insecurity complex that makes him a ticking time bomb and leaves him open to outburst of rage and outrageous statements, such as being more intelligent that 97percent of the rest of us. I have an high IQ it this is this first i have ever mentioned it and i know there is a huge difference to book smart and common sense. I just see him as a rotten apple and even if he did, somehow, do well here then he would show no loyalty to the club. He does what he wants, when he wants and Wael certainly hasn’t the balls to stand up to him. You may be right KP. I’m just tired of everything to do with BRFC having a JB-tinge. The courts will decide it all, whether we like it or not, which is what happens in this country. Sometimes it’s done quickly, sometimes it takes longer. I could add my opinion but tbh, I’m not sure what that would add to the topic. UTG! Agreed, totally
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 23, 2021 19:04:52 GMT
They are recorded just not prosecuted so there is a number Reported, not reported, recorded or not prosecuted. Make up your mind please. There seems to be some monumental goalpost moving going on. No, its really quite simple, the incident is logged but no further action is taken. Do you have a basic understanding of this ?
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Post by towngas on Nov 23, 2021 19:15:07 GMT
I didn’t read any facts. Now, if you’d said pure speculation and guesswork we’d be somewhere nearer the truth. So you don't want to look at facts and information published by the Government's own Office for National Statistics. You don't trust experts then, no of course not. I should have known. Your opinion on men being given rough justice is just speculation and without foundation. All because you want to defend male violence. It is pointless debating with someone who isn't interested in facts and figures and getting to the truth and is only interested in fantasy, spreading falsehood and his obvious own insecurity. Lies, damned lies and statistics. Any rape allegation which doesn’t make it to charge is because it’s probably bollox. Believe me, the Police and CPS will drag any rape or DV job to court on the flimsiest of evidence. Remember the maxim, what gets measured gets done. Ched Evans, an unpleasant character in many ways was falsely accused of rape, prosecuted and locked up. He continued his fight and was found not guilty on appeal. One of the reasons he was found guilty in the first place is because the Police and CPS conspired to keep unhelpful evidence away from the defence. Do you really approve of a justice system that even contemplates such despicable behaviour? People on here have accused me of being a misogynist and wanting to allow men to carry out violence against women. I have never said anything remotely like that, it’s just the typical hysterical reaction if anyone has the temerity to question every allegation and ask the facts be rigorously tested by the courts. That’s all iIve been advocating. Rape is a very easy allegation to make, proving or disproving it is much more difficult. For the record, any man found guilty of rape should be banged up and the key thrown away, but only after the most rigorous examination of the evidence. How would you feel if you were so accused but knew you hadn’t done it? Would you throw your hands up in submission and plead guilty to save your accuser any embarrassment, or would you fight tooth and nail and use every avenue at your disposal to prove you’re innocence and preserve your freedom? How would you feel, even when found not guilty, to be labelled a rapist and have your name dragged through the mud, knowing your accuser would retain her anonymity? Over to you and yours for more sanctimonious twaddle.
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Post by towngas on Nov 23, 2021 19:20:21 GMT
Reported, not reported, recorded or not prosecuted. Make up your mind please. There seems to be some monumental goalpost moving going on. No, its really quite simple, the incident is logged but no further action is taken. Do you have a basic understanding of this ? Even more simple, if no action is taken its because there’s nothing in it, no case to answer, no evidence. Do you really think the Police would take the report of a rape and do nothing with it? Really?? Would you get so worked up if someone reported a burglary together with a named suspect, and after investigation it progressed no further because there was nothing to support it?
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 23, 2021 19:24:46 GMT
So you don't want to look at facts and information published by the Government's own Office for National Statistics. You don't trust experts then, no of course not. I should have known. Your opinion on men being given rough justice is just speculation and without foundation. All because you want to defend male violence. It is pointless debating with someone who isn't interested in facts and figures and getting to the truth and is only interested in fantasy, spreading falsehood and his obvious own insecurity. Lies, damned lies and statistics. Any rape allegation which doesn’t make it to charge is because it’s probably bollox. Believe me, the Police and CPS will drag any rape or DV job to court on the flimsiest of evidence. Remember the maxim, what gets measured gets done. Ched Evans, an unpleasant character in many ways was falsely accused of rape, prosecuted and locked up. He continued his fight and was found not guilty on appeal. One of the reasons he was found guilty in the first place is because the Police and CPS conspired to keep unhelpful evidence away from the defence. Do you really approve of a justice system that even contemplates such despicable behaviour? People on here have accused me of being a misogynist and wanting to allow men to carry out violence against women. I have never said anything remotely like that, it’s just the typical hysterical reaction if anyone has the temerity to question every allegation and ask the facts be rigorously tested by the courts. That’s all iIve been advocating. Rape is a very easy allegation to make, proving or disproving it is much more difficult. For the record, any man found guilty of rape should be banged up and the key thrown away, but only after the most rigorous examination of the evidence. How would you feel if you were so accused but knew you hadn’t done it? Would you throw your hands up in submission and plead guilty to save your accuser any embarrassment, or would you fight tooth and nail and use every avenue at your disposal to prove you’re innocence and preserve your freedom? How would you feel, even when found not guilty, to be labelled a rapist and have your name dragged through the mud, knowing your accuser would retain her anonymity? Over to you and yours for more sanctimonious twaddle. Ok you get butt fxxxxd and then lets see if you even go to the police let alone prosecute and what’s the preoccupation with cheddar evans
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 23, 2021 19:25:56 GMT
No, its really quite simple, the incident is logged but no further action is taken. Do you have a basic understanding of this ? Even more simple, if no action is taken its because there’s nothing in it, no case to answer, no evidence. Do you really think the Police would take the report of a rape and do nothing with it? Really?? Would you get so worked up if someone reported a burglary together with a named suspect, and after investigation it progressed no further because there was nothing to support it? I know it. I have explained this earlier but you don’t want to hear it
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