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Post by johnmalyckyj on Aug 25, 2021 22:47:30 GMT
I love this forum but I cannot understand those who can’t let go of the failed 2006 and brilliant RAFC. It comes back to this fairly often and I think, in as much as we need to modernise, the 2006 group also need to let go and move on. We have all failed and with good ideas at some point. You can put money on certain posters being involved in these threads and I’m gutted your plans were not accepted as I know it would have seen a much healthier club but what we have now is very much land grab, as I see it and personally, I don’t think it’s great for any club to have one person control everything I don’t mean to offend and apologise if I have but, as you guys say, we all need to move forward, regardless and try to unite, that won’t happen if grudges are held. I have searched this thread in vain for a direct link to the events of 2006 and I can't find one, so what are you, or to whom are you referring? Do we need to run it by you if we want to challenge some of the nonsense that has dragged the SC down and the PC with it? You are clearly in the camp of those who don't rate the current ownership and would have been supportive of a takeover by Knowall and his chums. To think that Bristol Rovers could have been under the influence of people who specialised in spreading rumours and gossip, dragging down the once great SC with it. What I and others have tried to do is to hold them to account and that has nothing to do with 2006. I am a shareholder and I think I've missed 3 AGMs in the last 22 years, I've witnessed at first hand the twists and turns of the changes of ownerships and many times asking difficult questions of previous (and this board) and getting heckled and shouted down for my trouble. I never hid behind a keyboard to do it I went to the meetings and asked them directly. In this and on the other forum I always post in my own name and so it's fine for people to have a pop at me anonymously and me not respond? The whole situation was wholly avoidable and it isn't the fault of those of us who have questioned the motives of those involved, don't expect me to remain quiet as long as it rumbles on. Regards John Malyckyj
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 26, 2021 7:52:41 GMT
This thread is embarrassing. I agree, its embarrassing that we have 2 clubs who are meant to "support" the club in a civil war with the ownership and there will always be sides drawn for that. The positive thing about this thread is we are finally getting some answers about the PC that John and a good few others have been asking for well over a year which will give us an insight into their future relevance (or not) and what exactly they are giving to the football club annually (not yet disclosed).
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 26, 2021 7:55:36 GMT
I love this forum but I cannot understand those who can’t let go of the failed 2006 and brilliant RAFC. It comes back to this fairly often and I think, in as much as we need to modernise, the 2006 group also need to let go and move on. We have all failed and with good ideas at some point. You can put money on certain posters being involved in these threads and I’m gutted your plans were not accepted as I know it would have seen a much healthier club but what we have now is very much land grab, as I see it and personally, I don’t think it’s great for any club to have one person control everything I don’t mean to offend and apologise if I have but, as you guys say, we all need to move forward, regardless and try to unite, that won’t happen if grudges are held. I have searched this thread in vain for a direct link to the events of 2006 and I can't find one, so what are you, or to whom are you referring? Do we need to run it by you if we want to challenge some of the nonsense that has dragged the SC down and the PC with it? You are clearly in the camp of those who don't rate the current ownership and would have been supportive of a takeover by Knowall and his chums. To think that Bristol Rovers could have been under the influence of people who specialised in spreading rumours and gossip, dragging down the once great SC with it. What I and others have tried to do is to hold them to account and that has nothing to do with 2006. I am a shareholder and I think I've missed 3 AGMs in the last 22 years, I've witnessed at first hand the twists and turns of the changes of ownerships and many times asking difficult questions of previous (and this board) and getting heckled and shouted down for my trouble. I never hid behind a keyboard to do it I went to the meetings and asked them directly. In this and on the other forum I always post in my own name and so it's fine for people to have a pop at me anonymously and me not respond? The whole situation was wholly avoidable and it isn't the fault of those of us who have questioned the motives of those involved, don't expect me to remain quiet as long as it rumbles on. Regards John Malyckyj Spot on John. And anyone who questions the above will get pelters from the "chums" and their loyal band too. Another one who I had not conversed with previously and who has never met me popped up on a supports chat on facebook at the weekend.
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Post by vaughan on Aug 26, 2021 8:07:21 GMT
After 9 pages, we have worked out that SC and PC are both irrelevant, which we already knew since 2016.
IT'S OVER.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 8:24:05 GMT
This thread is embarrassing. I agree, its embarrassing that we have 2 clubs who are meant to "support" the club in a civil war with the ownership and there will always be sides drawn for that. The positive thing about this thread is we are finally getting some answers about the PC that John and a good few others have been asking for well over a year which will give us an insight into their future relevance (or not) and what exactly they are giving to the football club annually (not yet disclosed). My point is that Johnny Anagram aside, the contributions sound like the musings of sad, deluded drunks, who've forgotten who they're supposed to support.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 8:32:08 GMT
I agree, its embarrassing that we have 2 clubs who are meant to "support" the club in a civil war with the ownership and there will always be sides drawn for that. The positive thing about this thread is we are finally getting some answers about the PC that John and a good few others have been asking for well over a year which will give us an insight into their future relevance (or not) and what exactly they are giving to the football club annually (not yet disclosed). My point is that Johnny Anagram aside, the contributions sound like the musings of sad, deluded drunks, who've forgotten who they're supposed to support. Less of the sad.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 26, 2021 8:32:25 GMT
I agree, its embarrassing that we have 2 clubs who are meant to "support" the club in a civil war with the ownership and there will always be sides drawn for that. The positive thing about this thread is we are finally getting some answers about the PC that John and a good few others have been asking for well over a year which will give us an insight into their future relevance (or not) and what exactly they are giving to the football club annually (not yet disclosed). My point is that Johnny Anagram aside, the contributions sound like the musings of sad, deluded drunks, who've forgotten who they're supposed to support.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 8:38:55 GMT
My point is that Johnny Anagram aside, the contributions sound like the musings of sad, deluded drunks, who've forgotten who they're supposed to support. Less of the sad. I was referring to the PC/SC contributors. It's woeful reading.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 26, 2021 15:58:12 GMT
I love this forum but I cannot understand those who can’t let go of the failed 2006 and brilliant RAFC. It comes back to this fairly often and I think, in as much as we need to modernise, the 2006 group also need to let go and move on. We have all failed and with good ideas at some point. You can put money on certain posters being involved in these threads and I’m gutted your plans were not accepted as I know it would have seen a much healthier club but what we have now is very much land grab, as I see it and personally, I don’t think it’s great for any club to have one person control everything I don’t mean to offend and apologise if I have but, as you guys say, we all need to move forward, regardless and try to unite, that won’t happen if grudges are held. I have searched this thread in vain for a direct link to the events of 2006 and I can't find one, so what are you, or to whom are you referring? Do we need to run it by you if we want to challenge some of the nonsense that has dragged the SC down and the PC with it? You are clearly in the camp of those who don't rate the current ownership and would have been supportive of a takeover by Knowall and his chums. To think that Bristol Rovers could have been under the influence of people who specialised in spreading rumours and gossip, dragging down the once great SC with it. What I and others have tried to do is to hold them to account and that has nothing to do with 2006. I am a shareholder and I think I've missed 3 AGMs in the last 22 years, I've witnessed at first hand the twists and turns of the changes of ownerships and many times asking difficult questions of previous (and this board) and getting heckled and shouted down for my trouble. I never hid behind a keyboard to do it I went to the meetings and asked them directly. In this and on the other forum I always post in my own name and so it's fine for people to have a pop at me anonymously and me not respond? The whole situation was wholly avoidable and it isn't the fault of those of us who have questioned the motives of those involved, don't expect me to remain quiet as long as it rumbles on. Regards John Malyckyj You seem to be taking this personally John and that was not my intent. Whatever happened is done as I’m sad it didn’t work out as I think we would be in a much better place I would add that I think it very unhealthy to have one man and his yes men, own and run the club. I just don’t think it’s good for anyone involved
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 26, 2021 16:11:24 GMT
My understanding is that they are directly linked. We do not have a membership of £x and then an option to join the lottery for £y and if we did, it would be easy to answer your question I think ,in the past, there was a stand alone joining fee but that disappeared years ago( so no smoke screen ),.I do not speak for the PC ,I am simply a member but I can tell you of the sheer frustration of stadia projects failing over the years combined with mismanagement of the club ( not only by Wael and his family but other BoDs as well) .I do not speak for knowall but this may account for the comments made However he is right to be proud of the PC contribution keeping the club afloat, Dennis and Geoff always knew where to come if a crisis was looming.This is why Roy can ask the question " what have you done for Bristol Rovers?" when criticized I just feel we should be more tolerant of one another To use a politician s well worn phase Bristol Rovers is a wide church and KPs reminder of the ex players association moto " clubs that forget the past have no future" is very valid There is room for all views but tolerance is in short supply.Not that matters because the SC and PCs days appear to be over and what fills the void is important So by joining the lottery, im in effect, joining the PC, is that what you are saying? Just like the SC, the PC has a long history of good deeds, but the money thay they have put in, like the SC have been mainly taken from the purses of fans anyway, so any financial contribution should rightly, in the course of time, go to the football club. The SC and PC have never been owners or majority shareholders (past or present) so their right to a say of the size they think they should has no weight. Neither does it give them the right or the credit in the bank to act against their own constitution which is to support BRFC. So whilst the club has a past, you cant keep clinging onto it calling in good or charitable deeds from 1989. Those favours im sure are long paid back and quite frankly, Wael has said he doesnt need them. Thats why the SC and PC need to find a way to work with the FC. Just the other answers to the questions to go if you could GT. But the 50k would be welcome 😂😂.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 26, 2021 16:16:30 GMT
After 9 pages, we have worked out that SC and PC are both irrelevant, which we already knew since 2016. IT'S OVER. Yup so why keep on about it as their demise is in process. It’s obvious our owner wants control of everything and won’t rest until that’s done. Yes, just my opinion but I think it’s very unhealthy and especially with the 5 year track record of our owner.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 27, 2021 0:22:02 GMT
I love this forum but I cannot understand those who can’t let go of the failed 2006 and brilliant RAFC. It comes back to this fairly often and I think, in as much as we need to modernise, the 2006 group also need to let go and move on. We have all failed and with good ideas at some point. You can put money on certain posters being involved in these threads and I’m gutted your plans were not accepted as I know it would have seen a much healthier club but what we have now is very much land grab, as I see it and personally, I don’t think it’s great for any club to have one person control everything I don’t mean to offend and apologise if I have but, as you guys say, we all need to move forward, regardless and try to unite, that won’t happen if grudges are held. I have searched this thread in vain for a direct link to the events of 2006 and I can't find one, so what are you, or to whom are you referring? Do we need to run it by you if we want to challenge some of the nonsense that has dragged the SC down and the PC with it? You are clearly in the camp of those who don't rate the current ownership and would have been supportive of a takeover by Knowall and his chums. To think that Bristol Rovers could have been under the influence of people who specialised in spreading rumours and gossip, dragging down the once great SC with it. What I and others have tried to do is to hold them to account and that has nothing to do with 2006. I am a shareholder and I think I've missed 3 AGMs in the last 22 years, I've witnessed at first hand the twists and turns of the changes of ownerships and many times asking difficult questions of previous (and this board) and getting heckled and shouted down for my trouble. I never hid behind a keyboard to do it I went to the meetings and asked them directly. In this and on the other forum I always post in my own name and so it's fine for people to have a pop at me anonymously and me not respond? The whole situation was wholly avoidable and it isn't the fault of those of us who have questioned the motives of those involved, don't expect me to remain quiet as long as it rumbles on. Regards John Malyckyj Just to add I don’t expect anything of you. It’s a forum and we all have different views. My views are not posted for likes but neither to offend. Rovers, now, are every bit as dysfunctional as we ever have been. I’d apologise if I had done something wrong but I haven’t and, sadly, it’s hit a nerve. That wasn’t intentional
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Post by TaiwanGas on Aug 27, 2021 1:40:08 GMT
I have searched this thread in vain for a direct link to the events of 2006 and I can't find one, so what are you, or to whom are you referring? Do we need to run it by you if we want to challenge some of the nonsense that has dragged the SC down and the PC with it? You are clearly in the camp of those who don't rate the current ownership and would have been supportive of a takeover by Knowall and his chums. To think that Bristol Rovers could have been under the influence of people who specialised in spreading rumours and gossip, dragging down the once great SC with it. What I and others have tried to do is to hold them to account and that has nothing to do with 2006. I am a shareholder and I think I've missed 3 AGMs in the last 22 years, I've witnessed at first hand the twists and turns of the changes of ownerships and many times asking difficult questions of previous (and this board) and getting heckled and shouted down for my trouble. I never hid behind a keyboard to do it I went to the meetings and asked them directly. In this and on the other forum I always post in my own name and so it's fine for people to have a pop at me anonymously and me not respond? The whole situation was wholly avoidable and it isn't the fault of those of us who have questioned the motives of those involved, don't expect me to remain quiet as long as it rumbles on. Regards John Malyckyj Just to add I don’t expect anything of you. It’s a forum and we all have different views. My views are not posted for likes but neither to offend. Rovers, now, are every bit as dysfunctional as we ever have been. I’d apologise if I had done something wrong but I haven’t and, sadly, it’s hit a nerve. That wasn’t intentional You are fully entitled to your opinions KP. I was a little surprised by the tone of the first paragraph of John’s reply to you whilst reading through the thread.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 27, 2021 7:37:18 GMT
Just to add I don’t expect anything of you. It’s a forum and we all have different views. My views are not posted for likes but neither to offend. Rovers, now, are every bit as dysfunctional as we ever have been. I’d apologise if I had done something wrong but I haven’t and, sadly, it’s hit a nerve. That wasn’t intentional Your are fully entitled to your opinions KP. I was a little surprised by the tone of the first paragraph of John’s reply to you whilst reading through the thread. Me too as the post it replied to, if read fully, does apologise
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 27, 2021 9:57:39 GMT
One thing about John's posts is that they are always direct, to the point and meant in a spirit never be offensive and with eloquence, in short he just calls it how he sees it.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 27, 2021 10:37:40 GMT
One thing about John's posts is that they are always direct, to the point and meant in a spirit never be offensive and with eloquence, in short he just calls it how he sees it. Steve, if you had been here longer then you would know a part of this exchange is not John’s usual style plus I’ve had some personal experiences of meeting him. I think I just hit a nerve and, as I said, my post was apologetic IF anyone felt affronted. There is no need to defend johnmalyckyj as he can do this himself and very well Mr Malt whiskey will no doubt laugh
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Post by gastower on Aug 27, 2021 11:25:29 GMT
One thing about John's posts is that they are always direct, to the point and meant in a spirit never be offensive and with eloquence, in short he just calls it how he sees it. Steve, if you had been here longer then you would know a part of this exchange is not John’s usual style plus I’ve had some personal experiences of meeting him. I think I just hit a nerve and, as I said, my post was ap ologetic IF anyone felt affronted. There is no need to defend johnmalyckyj as he can do this himself and very well Mr Malt whiskey will no doubt laugh KP ITB is the last person on planet earth with the ability to recognise what is and what is not an offensive post
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 27, 2021 11:51:12 GMT
Steve, if you had been here longer then you would know a part of this exchange is not John’s usual style plus I’ve had some personal experiences of meeting him. I think I just hit a nerve and, as I said, my post was ap ologetic IF anyone felt affronted. There is no need to defend johnmalyckyj as he can do this himself and very well Mr Malt whiskey will no doubt laugh KP ITB is the last person on planet earth with the ability to recognise what is and what is not an offensive post Ooh. Bit personal
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Post by gastower on Aug 27, 2021 12:39:11 GMT
KP ITB is the last person on planet earth with the ability to recognise what is and what is not an offensive post Ooh. Bit personal Yes but there is plenty of evidence
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 27, 2021 12:41:25 GMT
Yes but there is plenty of evidence you might be right, but better to point it out on a case-by-case basis than make a broader ad hominem comment IMO maybe especially given the recent appeal for 'tolerance'
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