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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 25, 2021 8:42:14 GMT
I love this forum but I cannot understand those who can’t let go of the failed 2006 and brilliant RAFC. It comes back to this fairly often and I think, in as much as we need to modernise, the 2006 group also need to let go and move on. We have all failed and with good ideas at some point. You can put money on certain posters being involved in these threads and I’m gutted your plans were not accepted as I know it would have seen a much healthier club but what we have now is very much land grab, as I see it and personally, I don’t think it’s great for any club to have one person control everything I don’t mean to offend and apologise if I have but, as you guys say, we all need to move forward, regardless and try to unite, that won’t happen if grudges are held.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 25, 2021 8:59:21 GMT
As Kevin says about Mike Turl, that is nonsense. Both the PC and SC have been caught with their pants firmly down by their ankles. I argued more than 12 months ago that the SC should fold and I think I am on the right side of that argument given what has happened. It is the PC that appears bitter. I am quite happy thankyou very much. One other thing, I have never hidden my identity and never traded in tittle-tattle, gossip or "in the know" nonsense peddled by some. Regards John Malyckyj For the avoidance of doubt and the sake of clarity the PC does not have any exec boxes in the West Stand.Members of the PC that use the Dunford lounge are seated in the West Stand.Other members make their arrangements independently of the PC. May I say again after all that effort to explain to you about the membership you still carry on with this agenda-- disappointing to say the least So you are saying that the boxes which have the BRFC presidents club on the door are just a gang of PC members that get together and pay separately and dont run any form of membership for that box through the PC club? Perhaps you could answer the following questions that perhaps you missed earlier..?? How much the PC has donated to the club annually since the ALQ ownership came in? Can you also tell us what activities outside of the club, such as the academy or gas girls or other the PC has financially supported under the ALQ ownership? That will give an idea into the actual activity of the PC and whether it’s a worthy or relevant cause or just a collection bucket which the club is not benefitting from.
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 25, 2021 9:02:23 GMT
I love this forum but I cannot understand those who can’t let go of the failed 2006 and brilliant RAFC. It comes back to this fairly often and I think, in as much as we need to modernise, the 2006 group also need to let go and move on. We have all failed and with good ideas at some point. You can put money on certain posters being involved in these threads and I’m gutted your plans were not accepted as I know it would have seen a much healthier club but what we have now is very much land grab, as I see it and personally, I don’t think it’s great for any club to have one person control everything I don’t mean to offend and apologise if I have but, as you guys say, we all need to move forward, regardless and try to unite, that won’t happen if grudges are held. 2006 was a time when I was not fully engaged with the goings on, and is a bit of a dim and distant memory for me, were this group going to be putting money into the club?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 9:19:56 GMT
I love this forum but I cannot understand those who can’t let go of the failed 2006 and brilliant RAFC. It comes back to this fairly often and I think, in as much as we need to modernise, the 2006 group also need to let go and move on. We have all failed and with good ideas at some point. You can put money on certain posters being involved in these threads and I’m gutted your plans were not accepted as I know it would have seen a much healthier club but what we have now is very much land grab, as I see it and personally, I don’t think it’s great for any club to have one person control everything I don’t mean to offend and apologise if I have but, as you guys say, we all need to move forward, regardless and try to unite, that won’t happen if grudges are held. Speaking personally I let go any thoughts of trying to improve BRFC years ago and I wished Wael all the best personally on Saturday but I will correct anybody who writes or says something inaccurately regarding the disagreement in 2006.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 9:23:00 GMT
I love this forum but I cannot understand those who can’t let go of the failed 2006 and brilliant RAFC. It comes back to this fairly often and I think, in as much as we need to modernise, the 2006 group also need to let go and move on. We have all failed and with good ideas at some point. You can put money on certain posters being involved in these threads and I’m gutted your plans were not accepted as I know it would have seen a much healthier club but what we have now is very much land grab, as I see it and personally, I don’t think it’s great for any club to have one person control everything I don’t mean to offend and apologise if I have but, as you guys say, we all need to move forward, regardless and try to unite, that won’t happen if grudges are held. 2006 was a time when I was not fully engaged with the goings on, and is a bit of a dim and distant memory for me, were this group going to be putting money into the club? It was more about stopping the flow of cash out of the club while struggling in the bottom half of League 2 and building a sustainable structure but it's all history so no need to drag it up as KP rightly says.
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Post by Bath Gas on Aug 25, 2021 9:34:48 GMT
2006 was a time when I was not fully engaged with the goings on, and is a bit of a dim and distant memory for me, were this group going to be putting money into the club? It was more about stopping the flow of cash out of the club while struggling in the bottom half of League 2 and building a sustainable structure but it's all history so no need to drag it up as KP rightly says. Thanks - sounds like it was a decent plan.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 25, 2021 10:15:44 GMT
As Kevin says about Mike Turl, that is nonsense. Both the PC and SC have been caught with their pants firmly down by their ankles. I argued more than 12 months ago that the SC should fold and I think I am on the right side of that argument given what has happened. It is the PC that appears bitter. I am quite happy thankyou very much. One other thing, I have never hidden my identity and never traded in tittle-tattle, gossip or "in the know" nonsense peddled by some. Regards John Malyckyj gastower it is appreciated that you come on here and reply constructively. The reason the membership of the PC became of interest was the way that knowall and others came on here and GasChat lambasting the club, its owners and officials and other forum members at any opportunity and then running away to hide. Part of the attack was about the importance of the PC and how it was being affected by the club. A simple question was asked about the membership and knowall and others refused point blank to answer. They tried to emphasise how important the PC was to the existence of BRFC yet simultaneously refused to respond to any requests for information. To be honest the question has still not been answered directly with the draw being used as a way to intimate (but not directly state) the membership. A draw which as I understand it apparently anyone can chose to enter not just members of the PC. Please correct me if I am wrong. A definitive and straight forward answer would be 'the fully paid up membership of the PC is XX' rather than a smokescreen of draws and boxes. It's simple and neither johnmalyckyj , myself or anyone else can understand why that simple question cannot be answered. Perhaps as a member you could tell us who the membership secretary is so we can ask them? Thanks and regards, Cheshire
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 10:34:49 GMT
I like Roy and I was sorry to see him posting as Knowall and Fanatical in the tone that he did.
I don't think he knows how forums work and if you post on one saying I know something but can't or won't tell you then you are going to be in for a hard time.
The fact that none of his predictions have come true, Good News In October, which never happened, Wael Is Skint, Wael wrote off £18m of loans, haven't helped his writing style.
It looks now that Gastower is posting on his behalf and I hope that is because Roy has realised that his credibility has been harmed rather than anything else.
Sorry to see the SC and PC end this way but when both took on Wael publicly and he fought back with serious money it was game over.
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Post by gastower on Aug 25, 2021 11:18:21 GMT
My understanding is that they are directly linked. We do not have a membership of £x and then an option to join the lottery for £y and if we did, it would be easy to answer your question I think ,in the past, there was a stand alone joining fee but that disappeared years ago( so no smoke screen ),.I do not speak for the PC ,I am simply a member but I can tell you of the sheer frustration of stadia projects failing over the years combined with mismanagement of the club ( not only by Wael and his family but other BoDs as well) .I do not speak for knowall but this may account for the comments made However he is right to be proud of the PC contribution keeping the club afloat, Dennis and Geoff always knew where to come if a crisis was looming.This is why Roy can ask the question " what have you done for Bristol Rovers?" when criticized I just feel we should be more tolerant of one another To use a politician s well worn phase Bristol Rovers is a wide church and KPs reminder of the ex players association moto " clubs that forget the past have no future" is very valid There is room for all views but tolerance is in short supply.Not that matters because the SC and PCs days appear to be over and what fills the void is important
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 25, 2021 12:09:33 GMT
My understanding is that they are directly linked. We do not have a membership of £x and then an option to join the lottery for £y and if we did, it would be easy to answer your question I think ,in the past, there was a stand alone joining fee but that disappeared years ago( so no smoke screen ),.I do not speak for the PC ,I am simply a member but I can tell you of the sheer frustration of stadia projects failing over the years combined with mismanagement of the club ( not only by Wael and his family but other BoDs as well) .I do not speak for knowall but this may account for the comments made However he is right to be proud of the PC contribution keeping the club afloat, Dennis and Geoff always knew where to come if a crisis was looming.This is why Roy can ask the question " what have you done for Bristol Rovers?" when criticized I just feel we should be more tolerant of one another To use a politician s well worn phase Bristol Rovers is a wide church and KPs reminder of the ex players association moto " clubs that forget the past have no future" is very valid There is room for all views but tolerance is in short supply.Not that matters because the SC and PCs days appear to be over and what fills the void is important So by joining the lottery, im in effect, joining the PC, is that what you are saying? Just like the SC, the PC has a long history of good deeds, but the money thay they have put in, like the SC have been mainly taken from the purses of fans anyway, so any financial contribution should rightly, in the course of time, go to the football club. The SC and PC have never been owners or majority shareholders (past or present) so their right to a say of the size they think they should has no weight. Neither does it give them the right or the credit in the bank to act against their own constitution which is to support BRFC. So whilst the club has a past, you cant keep clinging onto it calling in good or charitable deeds from 1989. Those favours im sure are long paid back and quite frankly, Wael has said he doesnt need them. Thats why the SC and PC need to find a way to work with the FC. Just the other answers to the questions to go if you could GT.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 12:13:05 GMT
gastower.
I started the thing about the PC being in an executive box, but ended that with a question mark, you've explained that any PC members in there were acting in isolation, I think we all get that now.
Ref Knowall asking 'What have you done for Rovers'? It's a stupid question, there's a single poster on here who handed over around 2 years normal salary in 1 go to help the club out, a week later he was told it was gone and was asked for more.
Does that help?
What does he win?
Others have worked for free, others have given cold hard cash, maybe if you join them all together their contributions would exceed those of the PC, but do we really need to be playing this type of willy waving game, where will it get us?
KP. The only times that 2006 normally comes up now is when it's used to explain time lines or when someone appears to be attempting to misrepresent history.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 25, 2021 13:30:38 GMT
.I do not speak for knowall but this may account for the comments made However he is right to be proud of the PC contribution keeping the club afloat, Dennis and Geoff always knew where to come if a crisis was looming.This is why Roy can ask the question " what have you done for Bristol Rovers?" when criticized I just feel we should be more tolerant of one another I think he has tried to spread unease and undermine Wael. What he's in fact done is undermine the reputation of the PC and of himself by responding 'what have you done for Bristol Rovers' (plus some added lack of manners), he just adds to the annoyance and sense of being patronised he causes with his hinting and sniping and running away (classic guerilla tactics) I think unless his friends accept that (and he's had years in which to do so I think), the image of the PC will remain damaged. I do accept, though, that your own recent contributions on here have nudged things back a bit as far as this audience is concerned
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Post by sethstarkadder on Aug 25, 2021 13:38:50 GMT
My understanding is that they are directly linked. We do not have a membership of £x and then an option to join the lottery for £y and if we did, it would be easy to answer your question I think ,in the past, there was a stand alone joining fee but that disappeared years ago( so no smoke screen ),.I do not speak for the PC ,I am simply a member but I can tell you of the sheer frustration of stadia projects failing over the years combined with mismanagement of the club ( not only by Wael and his family but other BoDs as well) .I do not speak for knowall but this may account for the comments made However he is right to be proud of the PC contribution keeping the club afloat, Dennis and Geoff always knew where to come if a crisis was looming.This is why Roy can ask the question " what have you done for Bristol Rovers?" when criticized I just feel we should be more tolerant of one another To use a politician s well worn phase Bristol Rovers is a wide church and KPs reminder of the ex players association moto " clubs that forget the past have no future" is very valid There is room for all views but tolerance is in short supply.Not that matters because the SC and PCs days appear to be over and what fills the void is important Um... ["Hello" btw] This kind of sounds like there's no specific membership of the President's Club. Is that right? Just people who claim membership of it - and in one case to speak on behalf of it and its (non-existent) members? I mean, it sounds like there's no membership list, per se, you know, known to have paid for the year, get to attend [whatever]. How do you know if you're in it? President's Club is as President's Club does? It's an Us and Them thing? Predestination? You either are or you aren't? Am I? How could I tell? Did it, basically, cease to function some years ago, but some folk still wear the badge and claim the kudos?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 14:18:28 GMT
My understanding is that they are directly linked. We do not have a membership of £x and then an option to join the lottery for £y and if we did, it would be easy to answer your question I think ,in the past, there was a stand alone joining fee but that disappeared years ago( so no smoke screen ),.I do not speak for the PC ,I am simply a member but I can tell you of the sheer frustration of stadia projects failing over the years combined with mismanagement of the club ( not only by Wael and his family but other BoDs as well) .I do not speak for knowall but this may account for the comments made However he is right to be proud of the PC contribution keeping the club afloat, Dennis and Geoff always knew where to come if a crisis was looming.This is why Roy can ask the question " what have you done for Bristol Rovers?" when criticized I just feel we should be more tolerant of one another To use a politician s well worn phase Bristol Rovers is a wide church and KPs reminder of the ex players association moto " clubs that forget the past have no future" is very valid There is room for all views but tolerance is in short supply.Not that matters because the SC and PCs days appear to be over and what fills the void is important Um... ["Hello" btw] This kind of sounds like there's no specific membership of the President's Club. Is that right? Just people who claim membership of it - and in one case to speak on behalf of it and its (non-existent) members? I mean, it sounds like there's no membership list, per se, you know, known to have paid for the year, get to attend [whatever]. How do you know if you're in it? President's Club is as President's Club does? It's an Us and Them thing? Predestination? You either are or you aren't? Am I? How could I tell? Did it, basically, cease to function some years ago, but some folk still wear the badge and claim the kudos? All sounds very dodgy to me. Seth, ask him about The 47th Problem Of Euclid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 15:45:03 GMT
My understanding is that they are directly linked. We do not have a membership of £x and then an option to join the lottery for £y and if we did, it would be easy to answer your question I think ,in the past, there was a stand alone joining fee but that disappeared years ago( so no smoke screen ),.I do not speak for the PC ,I am simply a member but I can tell you of the sheer frustration of stadia projects failing over the years combined with mismanagement of the club ( not only by Wael and his family but other BoDs as well) .I do not speak for knowall but this may account for the comments made However he is right to be proud of the PC contribution keeping the club afloat, Dennis and Geoff always knew where to come if a crisis was looming.This is why Roy can ask the question " what have you done for Bristol Rovers?" when criticized I just feel we should be more tolerant of one another To use a politician s well worn phase Bristol Rovers is a wide church and KPs reminder of the ex players association moto " clubs that forget the past have no future" is very valid There is room for all views but tolerance is in short supply.Not that matters because the SC and PCs days appear to be over and what fills the void is important Um... ["Hello" btw] This kind of sounds like there's no specific membership of the President's Club. Is that right? Just people who claim membership of it - and in one case to speak on behalf of it and its (non-existent) members? I mean, it sounds like there's no membership list, per se, you know, known to have paid for the year, get to attend [whatever]. How do you know if you're in it? President's Club is as President's Club does? It's an Us and Them thing? Predestination? You either are or you aren't? Am I? How could I tell? Did it, basically, cease to function some years ago, but some folk still wear the badge and claim the kudos? I only recently cancelled my Presidents Club Raffle standing order when Joey Barton arrived and didn't realise that the contribution made me a paid up member of the Presidents Club.
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Post by sethstarkadder on Aug 25, 2021 16:31:10 GMT
Um... ["Hello" btw] This kind of sounds like there's no specific membership of the President's Club. Is that right? Just people who claim membership of it - and in one case to speak on behalf of it and its (non-existent) members? I mean, it sounds like there's no membership list, per se, you know, known to have paid for the year, get to attend [whatever]. How do you know if you're in it? President's Club is as President's Club does? It's an Us and Them thing? Predestination? You either are or you aren't? Am I? How could I tell? Did it, basically, cease to function some years ago, but some folk still wear the badge and claim the kudos? I only recently cancelled my Presidents Club Raffle standing order when Joey Barton arrived and didn't realise that the contribution made me a paid up member of the Presidents Club. We've joined the President's Club by mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 18:26:41 GMT
This thread is embarrassing.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 25, 2021 19:44:58 GMT
gastower. I started the thing about the PC being in an executive box, but ended that with a question mark, you've explained that any PC members in there were acting in isolation, I think we all get that now. Ref Knowall asking 'What have you done for Rovers'? It's a stupid question, there's a single poster on here who handed over around 2 years normal salary in 1 go to help the club out, a week later he was told it was gone and was asked for more. Does that help? What does he win? Others have worked for free, others have given cold hard cash, maybe if you join them all together their contributions would exceed those of the PC, but do we really need to be playing this type of willy waving game, where will it get us? KP. The only times that 2006 normally comes up now is when it's used to explain time lines or when someone appears to be attempting to misrepresent history. You misunderstand me, maybe. What I mean is that you could put money on certain and longterm members of this forum, will have a dig at the SC and I find that sad, not that they are sad but we are basically so disjointed and broken from the club. That saddens me
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 25, 2021 19:46:02 GMT
Um... ["Hello" btw] This kind of sounds like there's no specific membership of the President's Club. Is that right? Just people who claim membership of it - and in one case to speak on behalf of it and its (non-existent) members? I mean, it sounds like there's no membership list, per se, you know, known to have paid for the year, get to attend [whatever]. How do you know if you're in it? President's Club is as President's Club does? It's an Us and Them thing? Predestination? You either are or you aren't? Am I? How could I tell? Did it, basically, cease to function some years ago, but some folk still wear the badge and claim the kudos? All sounds very dodgy to me. Seth, ask him about The 47th Problem Of Euclid. Prefer Pascal’s wager
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 25, 2021 19:46:46 GMT
This thread is embarrassing. Yup
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