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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 4, 2021 17:17:45 GMT
these are the most interesting bits for me... It seemed to me that in certain ways the club was dysfunctional. Garner made decisions for players to leave, but the club was unable to move them on anywhere, and he wasn’t able to get some of his targets. Do you think the club let him down?
When you say the “club”, that’s such a broad term.
You used the word “dysfunctional”. There wasn’t a team of men that were all working together to get it all over the line. That was not there for the time I was there.
I don’t think you can blame the owner, either. From what I’ve heard, he’s been absolutely superb.
You would need your CEO, your director of football, your recruitment department and your manager and coaches all working together to go in the same direction, but that never happened the whole time I was there, so there was something dysfunctional going on.
Obviously the manager gets it in the neck, the manager gets the sack, but the other thing is if the players aren’t performing then it’s on the manager’s head. I think it’s portrayed unfairly.
And when you get four managers in a short space of time, there’s four groups of players in that building who might not every manager’s cup of tea.
Was I for Graham (Coughlan)? I don’t know.
Was I for Ben? Probably.
then... Some may think when a transfer window comes around, the players in the building don’t want anyone to come in, but this seemed like this was a group crying out for a bit more inspiration, a few more bodies and a freshen up. What was the mood among the players when the window shut?
We were confused.
I don’t think younger players would buy into this because younger players are concentrating on getting their careers off the ground, but senior players at the clubs I’d been at previously would understand the plan of where they club is trying to go, but we didn’t any idea what was going on.
When the window was closing, we were thinking “Surely they’re going to bring some goals in?”, be it from midfield or a striker.
When it doesn’t, we’re thinking “It hasn’t been working for us for the first six months, but you haven’t done anything to help us stay in the league.
There was just confusion all around, it’s dysfunctional.
If players don’t understand what’s required of them and they don’t understand what’s going on or the direction or even a style of play, how do you expect it to all unfold?
When the window shut, we were on our own and we had to do our best. And I think we did, there was a core group did absolutely everything they could.
Was I for Tisdale? Definitely not.
Was I for the gaffer now? Probably, in different circumstances.
That’s just for one player, and you’ve got 30 lads there, so it’s dysfunctional.
Hopefully going forward, if Joey has a big clear out and gets people in that he wants to get in, then I’m pretty sure that scenario would be solved.www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/mark-little-inside-dysfunctional-bristol-5741339 |
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 4, 2021 17:20:58 GMT
he goes on to talk about Joeybag needing to work with players who can respond to his sharp tongue, and how the tippy-tappy vision of BG has effectively been abandoned because young technical players don't respond to this in-your-face approach
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 4, 2021 17:22:41 GMT
it would, though, seem to support the need perceived by some to remove Starnes and Widders - as they have got in the way previously, and would want to faced with Joeybag too
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 17:48:45 GMT
Widdrington and Starnes blamed.
So everyone in between Al Qadi and Garner are the problem.
Little and Tisdale didn't fit. Little fitted most with Garner, maybe a bit with Coughlan and Barton.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 4, 2021 18:09:22 GMT
Little and Tisdale didn't fit. Little fitted most with Garner, maybe a bit with Coughlan and Barton. Little's fitness was def the biggest issue |
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Post by kentgas on Aug 4, 2021 19:11:45 GMT
And clearly didn’t rate Ehmer as captain and a leader of men.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 4, 2021 20:09:22 GMT
Just as I don’t think having the reset under JB is the best move neither do I think taking Mark Little’s view of the season past as the total answer to why we were so bad last season is the whole answer.
It’s an interesting view and it encourages gossip and points the finger at a few individuals. Clearly not a fan of Tommy W or Max E or Tis. But it’s a new season now, we’ve had all these arguments. The main person who needs to learn from last season is WAQ, I hope he did.
UTG!
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 5, 2021 7:59:24 GMT
Thank you Mark for your honesty, it is a real shame you didn't play more games for us. An injured player is no good to us however...Ansii...
Little has summed up exactly how I perceived the period, apart from maybe Garner not having as much of a say on players as I thought.
I am glad he said what he did about Tisdale because I blame him for the relegation as is well documented on here.
Barton, in football terms, appears to be someone who can succeed for us.
Garner wasn't given time. I think we all know this now. The board didn't think he would take us down, they just didn't think he would take us up, and that is the worst part of it. They honestly expected higher than mid table with that squad.
Well done Bristol Post for pushing the right questions and it gives me a boost if anything, going into the new season.
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Post by rideintothesun on Aug 5, 2021 9:22:52 GMT
If you read Little's comments, he speaks about how Tisdale worked for him, not for the club in general. An important distinction.
Little also doesn't address the fact that when Barton came in, the club were actually outside of the relegation zone. By the time Joey had finished working his magic, the club was rock bottom.
Regardless of what we think of the players, they are not as poor as what the league position suggests. In fact at the start of season, people were even talking about them as outside bets for the play-offs.
Barton can lie , misrepresent and obfuscate all he likes...these are the facts.
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Post by chelt_gas on Aug 5, 2021 11:10:36 GMT
Little describes a huge power vacuum between Wael and the players.
Widders was in his first directorship and I wonder if assumed power got to him. It came across that way each time he was parachuted as caretaker to then criticise his predecessor. Starnes was effectively the most senior guy on ground as Wael was overseas. Garner was in his first gig and I bet he didn’t want to rock the boat.
We basically had three people trying to work together and jostle for power with the inevitable consequences.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 5, 2021 11:12:54 GMT
If you read Little's comments, he speaks about how Tisdale worked for him, not for the club in general. An important distinction. Little also doesn't address the fact that when Barton came in, the club were actually outside of the relegation zone. By the time Joey had finished working his magic, the club was rock bottom. Regardless of what we think of the players, they are not as poor as what the league position suggests. In fact at the start of season, people were even talking about them as outside bets for the play-offs. Barton can lie , misrepresent and obfuscate all he likes...these are the facts. I agree. My only surprise is that he has made these comments as the usual termination or sale, has a non disclosure caveat. I think Little has also been , kind of, enjoying his comments being picked up by the media. One thing is certain, the club got it badly wrong last season and I think it’s going to take a massive effort, to change it from a losing mentality. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 5, 2021 15:11:15 GMT
If you read Little's comments, he speaks about how Tisdale worked for him, not for the club in general. An important distinction. Little also doesn't address the fact that when Barton came in, the club were actually outside of the relegation zone. By the time Joey had finished working his magic, the club was rock bottom. Regardless of what we think of the players, they are not as poor as what the league position suggests. In fact at the start of season, people were even talking about them as outside bets for the play-offs. Barton can lie , misrepresent and obfuscate all he likes...these are the facts. The players finished on 38 points as well as Barton |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 5, 2021 15:17:32 GMT
One or two individual incidents apart, I found ML disappointing over all, and (with hindsight) GC worst signing making little (pardon the pun) or no contribution and thoroughly unfulfilling of his potential. His match fitness was a glaring issue.
I always preferred Josh Hare inclusion.
That said, he appeared to try his hardest when on the pitch and bridged the Bristol gap with dignity and no animosity, so I wish him all the best in his pastures new, and good luck as long as he doesn't go near the one place we know he shouldn't ... But I really think we are better off without him and shed no tear on his departure.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 5, 2021 15:46:24 GMT
One or two individual incidents apart, I found ML disappointing over all, and (with hindsight) GC worst signing making little (pardon the pun) or no contribution and thoroughly unfulfilling of his potential. His match fitness was a glaring issue. I always preferred Josh Hare inclusion. That said, he appeared to try his hardest when on the pitch and bridged the Bristol gap with dignity and no animosity, so I wish him all the best in his pastures new, and good luck as long as he doesn't go near the one place we know he shouldn't ... But I really think we are better off without him and shed no tear on his departure. i can’t believe we have discarded Hare either, absolute FFpoints magnet with assists and eye for shot, would like to think managers and coaches are there to work on talented young lads defending, not throw him away. Where did he end up? |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 5, 2021 15:50:13 GMT
One or two individual incidents apart, I found ML disappointing over all, and (with hindsight) GC worst signing making little (pardon the pun) or no contribution and thoroughly unfulfilling of his potential. His match fitness was a glaring issue. I always preferred Josh Hare inclusion. That said, he appeared to try his hardest when on the pitch and bridged the Bristol gap with dignity and no animosity, so I wish him all the best in his pastures new, and good luck as long as he doesn't go near the one place we know he shouldn't ... But I really think we are better off without him and shed no tear on his departure. i can’t believe we have discarded Hare either, absolute FFpoints magnet with assists and eye for shot, would like to think managers and coaches are there to work on talented young lads defending, not throw him away. Where did he end up? Is it Eastleigh? I agree, he was awesome on his day but I guess unreliable because of niggling injuries? I would have kept him for his versatile play but maybe Hoole/Jones a n other to come might be more effective? |
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 5, 2021 19:04:57 GMT
And clearly didn’t rate Ehmer as captain and a leader of men. true I find that all very odd. Ehmer was a big hero leader at the Gills, whose manager is known for being the opposite of a shrinking violet, so why not here? |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 5, 2021 19:32:04 GMT
And clearly didn’t rate Ehmer as captain and a leader of men. true I find that all very odd. Ehmer was a big hero leader at the Gills, whose manager is known for being the opposite of a shrinking violet, so why not here? to be honest I am not in favour of someone coming to a club and being Captain straight away, regardless how much leadership they have. For one thing it can take players a while to refind their form from previous club at new surroundings, straight away you could have a captain under pressure for their own starting. Remember what a rock Tilson was? Not what people said after six months. Same with Lambert. it has to be mixture of someone you can depend on for form, one of first names on team sheet who is also settled in at club, and shows leadership qualities. Ogogo ticks the boxes except reliability for fitness, hence he had technically followed Clarke, Craig out door start of last season. Rodman could have been a club Captain, and Ehmer/Leahy merely back up to him. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 5, 2021 19:36:27 GMT
true I find that all very odd. Ehmer was a big hero leader at the Gills, whose manager is known for being the opposite of a shrinking violet, so why not here? to be honest I am not in favour of someone coming to a club and being Captain straight away, regardless how much leadership they have. For one thing it can take players a while to refind their form from previous club at new surroundings, straight away you could have a captain under pressure for their own starting. Remember what a rock Tilson was? Not what people said after six months. Same with Lambert. fair point, but wasn't he 'elected' by his team mates? |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 5, 2021 19:38:08 GMT
Widdrington and Starnes blamed. So everyone in between Al Qadi and Garner are the problem. Little and Tisdale didn't fit. Little fitted most with Garner, maybe a bit with Coughlan and Barton. “Little and Tisdale didn't fit. Little fitted most with Garner, maybe a bit with Coughlan and Barton.” He said he didn’t fit under Garner. Out of Last seasons managers, Little prefers Barton most. Shame he doesn’t say specifically what his issue was under Tilson. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 5, 2021 19:46:25 GMT
to be honest I am not in favour of someone coming to a club and being Captain straight away, regardless how much leadership they have. For one thing it can take players a while to refind their form from previous club at new surroundings, straight away you could have a captain under pressure for their own starting. Remember what a rock Tilson was? Not what people said after six months. Same with Lambert. fair point, but wasn't he 'elected' by his team mates? is electing your own Captain normal practice? It should be down to manager surely. Should be on managers wavelength regards tactics and supportive of manager? |
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