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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 29, 2021 22:15:18 GMT
If B***** is suspended, and Hill takes charge for a few months, what impact do you think that will have on the team, you don’t have a problem that happening have you? My preference is for B***** to continue doing the job for which we employed him. His management team all have their own different roles within the set-up, I don't know how much upheaval it would cause to switch people around - sometimes it works for somebody to step up, sometimes it doesn't. I haven't heard enough about Clint Hill to make an informed judgement on his ability as a Manager. He was schooled under Warnock, Warnock Captain of choice. Played quite a bit at highest level, got some medals. I sense he won’t be a pushover in the dressing room, or soft on discipline. But he won’t be B*****. One of B*****’s big managerial failings, as flagged by Chris Sanigar, he knows how to criticise in public, does he know where and when to put an arm round or excuse others by taking blame himself - if Hill does then straight away he’s a better manager than B*****. what we know about Warnock sides, they give it a go, hence all the promotions. What we know about B***** sides is they like to keep the score down so they can go deep still in a game, just like Southgate going 5 at the back in the final, leaving his team unable to transition out of 5 4 1 for so much of the game, B*****’s 5 at the back screwed up our end of last season in just the same way. So if Hill tactics is more Warnock than B*****, that would also make Hill a far better manager. Bit’s and pieces I have seen of Hill on YouTube and other he comes across far better in front a camera than B*****. He has a bounce and a grin to his media style, but also a bit of a pause for thought that helps make what he says sound more trustworthy than B*****. A bit like Klopp in a way. Not that I like Klopp or rate his media style, but when he explains game he comes across as heartfelt though? I don’t dislike B*****’s post match media style, the excuse after excuse, the whinge after whinge - every game is winnable, and when you lose there is something to blame, quite often an officials decision. I would probably sound a bit like that myself. But on every final whistle when B***** marches over to the referee with a fake smile and something to say, that just comes across like B***** has a problem, it will be interesting to see how Hill handles full time whistles after a defeat, it’s an area where B***** is very weak and not getting better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 22:20:53 GMT
What part of Long term Reputational damage to the business, to the employers personally, Dividing and losing the fan base, and losing advertising revenue for a long term commercial and financial hit, as well as Distraction the team doesn’t need for performance don’t you understand? I think you exaggerate. Rovers reputation is imo as it was when JB first signed.The huge majority in football UK won't be shaking their heads thinking,'Rovers reputation is in ruins'.Etc. Have any sponsors quit yet? How seriously divided are Gasheads on JB? I don't know.50 50? How many won't attend because of JB? Wait and see. How are employees effected? Any been laid off yet because of your predicted doom? Have we lost advertising revenue yet? Players will take on board what JB and coaching staff tell them,then go and win football matches,imo. Once/if we are playing good football and challenging in the 4th tier,there will be reasonable le attendance figures at the Mem.A far more interesting and refreshing subject than 'get rid of JB'. Those that can't support Rovers at this time,well I hope you can change your mind. Cov19 threat allowing I'll be back st the Mem. OK, Bas, so, I've been busy today, work not finished yet, but have had a short bit of time between jobs and have just put 'football forum Joey B*****' into Google and this is from the very first result that came up. Have a read then tell us all that Rovers' reputation amongst other clubs is intact; Forest Green Rovers supporter. Exeter City. Gillingham. Cheltenham. Hartlepool. Bradford. Tranmere. Swindon. Northampton. Forest Green. New England Patriots. Is that sufficient or would you like me to go to other forums and post more comments from around the country to confirm how our fellow supporters now view our club?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 22:33:50 GMT
Superb work.
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Post by Bath Gas on Jul 29, 2021 23:44:54 GMT
We'll be unpopular for a while, may well gee the lads up even more.
Message boards also featured discussions this week about Wayne Rooney and his unsavoury exploits, do you think that Derby County will be being pilloried for that in 12 months' time? Same when Danny Simpson signed for Bristol City - did their attendances drop drastically, did sponsors desert them in droves? The main thing that happened was that a charity removed the city logo from their website and stationary, as the club had signed a pledge to support the eradication of violence against women and then employed a convicted wife beater a couple of years later. They have Danny Simpson on their payroll, yet Her Game are asking City to sign the Partnership charter, which Rovers have already agreed to.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 30, 2021 7:23:34 GMT
I think you exaggerate. Rovers reputation is imo as it was when JB first signed.The huge majority in football UK won't be shaking their heads thinking,'Rovers reputation is in ruins'.Etc. Have any sponsors quit yet? How seriously divided are Gasheads on JB? I don't know.50 50? How many won't attend because of JB? Wait and see. How are employees effected? Any been laid off yet because of your predicted doom? Have we lost advertising revenue yet? Players will take on board what JB and coaching staff tell them,then go and win football matches,imo. Once/if we are playing good football and challenging in the 4th tier,there will be reasonable le attendance figures at the Mem.A far more interesting and refreshing subject than 'get rid of JB'. Those that can't support Rovers at this time,well I hope you can change your mind. Cov19 threat allowing I'll be back st the Mem. OK, Bas, so, I've been busy today, work not finished yet, but have had a short bit of time between jobs and have just put 'football forum Joey B*****' into Google and this is from the very first result that came up. Have a read then tell us all that Rovers' reputation amongst other clubs is intact; Forest Green Rovers supporter. Exeter City. Gillingham. Cheltenham. Hartlepool. Bradford. Tranmere. Swindon. Northampton. Forest Green. New England Patriots. Is that sufficient or would you like me to go to other forums and post more comments from around the country to confirm how our fellow supporters now view our club? Yes TWD,good work. I estimate,if asked,the UK football people might have a large minority or even majority that say JB should be suspended or sacked.I suppose it might depend how the question was stated and how fans would have their vote.Eg the Twitters would probably vote to sack JB on mass,but millions don't us Twitter or social media. Some people change and stop the violence,this is a fact.In the scenario a person really wants to stop it ,go on a specialist course etc,they and their family have a reasonable chance. Mrs B***** wants to keep her man and family together.We should respect this and give her and JB the credit they have the will and commonsense to get it right. She has'nt asked anybody to be shocked on their behalf.Quite the opposite. The Court cases are not so far away,that's what will decide things.
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Post by towngas on Jul 30, 2021 7:26:37 GMT
I think you exaggerate. Rovers reputation is imo as it was when JB first signed.The huge majority in football UK won't be shaking their heads thinking,'Rovers reputation is in ruins'.Etc. Have any sponsors quit yet? How seriously divided are Gasheads on JB? I don't know.50 50? How many won't attend because of JB? Wait and see. How are employees effected? Any been laid off yet because of your predicted doom? Have we lost advertising revenue yet? Players will take on board what JB and coaching staff tell them,then go and win football matches,imo. Once/if we are playing good football and challenging in the 4th tier,there will be reasonable le attendance figures at the Mem.A far more interesting and refreshing subject than 'get rid of JB'. Those that can't support Rovers at this time,well I hope you can change your mind. Cov19 threat allowing I'll be back st the Mem. OK, Bas, so, I've been busy today, work not finished yet, but have had a short bit of time between jobs and have just put 'football forum Joey B*****' into Google and this is from the very first result that came up. Have a read then tell us all that Rovers' reputation amongst other clubs is intact; Forest Green Rovers supporter. Exeter City. Gillingham. Cheltenham. Hartlepool. Bradford. Tranmere. Swindon. Northampton. Forest Green. New England Patriots. Is that sufficient or would you like me to go to other forums and post more comments from around the country to confirm how our fellow supporters now view our club? Thank you, a perfect illustration of what I said to you recently. If I were on Bartons defence team I would be trawling through all of this and bombarding the CPS with examples and pointing out that the trial by social media and the MSM would make it impossible for my client to have a fair, unbiased trial. We need to get a grip.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 30, 2021 9:09:02 GMT
OK, Bas, so, I've been busy today, work not finished yet, but have had a short bit of time between jobs and have just put 'football forum Joey B*****' into Google and this is from the very first result that came up. Have a read then tell us all that Rovers' reputation amongst other clubs is intact; Forest Green Rovers supporter. Exeter City. Gillingham. Cheltenham. Hartlepool. Bradford. Tranmere. Swindon. Northampton. Forest Green. New England Patriots. Is that sufficient or would you like me to go to other forums and post more comments from around the country to confirm how our fellow supporters now view our club? Thank you, a perfect illustration of what I said to you recently. If I were on Bartons defence team I would be trawling through all of this and bombarding the CPS with examples and pointing out that the trial by social media and the MSM would make it impossible for my client to have a fair, unbiased trial. We need to get a grip. luckily for Joseph there is no Jury at the Magistrates
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 9:38:16 GMT
OK, Bas, so, I've been busy today, work not finished yet, but have had a short bit of time between jobs and have just put 'football forum Joey B*****' into Google and this is from the very first result that came up. Have a read then tell us all that Rovers' reputation amongst other clubs is intact; Forest Green Rovers supporter. Exeter City. Gillingham. Cheltenham. Hartlepool. Bradford. Tranmere. Swindon. Northampton. Forest Green. New England Patriots. Is that sufficient or would you like me to go to other forums and post more comments from around the country to confirm how our fellow supporters now view our club? Thank you, a perfect illustration of what I said to you recently. If I were on Bartons defence team I would be trawling through all of this and bombarding the CPS with examples and pointing out that the trial by social media and the MSM would make it impossible for my client to have a fair, unbiased trial. We need to get a grip. What a puerile thing to say. So you think that without social media people wouldn't have formed these opinions. Get a grip of reality.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 9:42:09 GMT
OK, Bas, so, I've been busy today, work not finished yet, but have had a short bit of time between jobs and have just put 'football forum Joey B*****' into Google and this is from the very first result that came up. Have a read then tell us all that Rovers' reputation amongst other clubs is intact; Forest Green Rovers supporter. Exeter City. Gillingham. Cheltenham. Hartlepool. Bradford. Tranmere. Swindon. Northampton. Forest Green. New England Patriots. Is that sufficient or would you like me to go to other forums and post more comments from around the country to confirm how our fellow supporters now view our club? Yes TWD,good work. I estimate,if asked,the UK football people might have a large minority or even majority that say JB should be suspended or sacked.I suppose it might depend how the question was stated and how fans would have their vote.Eg the Twitters would probably vote to sack JB on mass,but millions don't us Twitter or social media. Some people change and stop the violence,this is a fact.In the scenario a person really wants to stop it ,go on a specialist course etc,they and their family have a reasonable chance. Mrs B***** wants to keep her man and family together.We should respect this and give her and JB the credit they have the will and commonsense to get it right. She has'nt asked anybody to be shocked on their behalf.Quite the opposite. The Court cases are not so far away,that's what will decide things. So do you now agree that the image of Rovers has been harmed?
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 30, 2021 12:07:20 GMT
Someone has just donated their season ticket money to Refuge. I could have sworn that someone made a vile, crass response to this post. Has a Mod edited it out? Or has the person who wrote it realised what a tool they made themselves look and deleted it?
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Post by Bath Gas on Jul 30, 2021 13:05:47 GMT
My preference is for B***** to continue doing the job for which we employed him. His management team all have their own different roles within the set-up, I don't know how much upheaval it would cause to switch people around - sometimes it works for somebody to step up, sometimes it doesn't. I haven't heard enough about Clint Hill to make an informed judgement on his ability as a Manager. He was schooled under Warnock, Warnock Captain of choice. Played quite a bit at highest level, got some medals. I sense he won’t be a pushover in the dressing room, or soft on discipline. But he won’t be B*****. One of B*****’s big managerial failings, as flagged by Chris Sanigar, he knows how to criticise in public, does he know where and when to put an arm round or excuse others by taking blame himself - if Hill does then straight away he’s a better manager than B*****. what we know about Warnock sides, they give it a go, hence all the promotions. What we know about B***** sides is they like to keep the score down so they can go deep still in a game, just like Southgate going 5 at the back in the final, leaving his team unable to transition out of 5 4 1 for so much of the game, B*****’s 5 at the back screwed up our end of last season in just the same way. So if Hill tactics is more Warnock than B*****, that would also make Hill a far better manager. Bit’s and pieces I have seen of Hill on YouTube and other he comes across far better in front a camera than B*****. He has a bounce and a grin to his media style, but also a bit of a pause for thought that helps make what he says sound more trustworthy than B*****. A bit like Klopp in a way. Not that I like Klopp or rate his media style, but when he explains game he comes across as heartfelt though? I don’t dislike B*****’s post match media style, the excuse after excuse, the whinge after whinge - every game is winnable, and when you lose there is something to blame, quite often an officials decision. I would probably sound a bit like that myself. But on every final whistle when B***** marches over to the referee with a fake smile and something to say, that just comes across like B***** has a problem, it will be interesting to see how Hill handles full time whistles after a defeat, it’s an area where B***** is very weak and not getting better. Nice resume of Hill's CV, but I'm not seeing any managerial experience which I can base an opinion on. If I was asked to take a leap in the dark based on what I've seen - I'd think that there is a possibility that he can cut it.
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Post by The Concept on Jul 30, 2021 13:32:01 GMT
Someone has just donated their season ticket money to Refuge. I could have sworn that someone made a vile, crass response to this post. Has a Mod edited it out? Or has the person who wrote it realised what a tool they made themselves look and deleted it? Not that I've seen EG. Just logged in and don't have any other notifications (unless they disappear when someone deletes something). You might be confusing with another thread though. Shortly after I posted this here Shoveler and TTWD both mentioned it on the 'Suspend B*****' poll thread.
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Post by towngas on Jul 30, 2021 20:02:58 GMT
Thank you, a perfect illustration of what I said to you recently. If I were on Bartons defence team I would be trawling through all of this and bombarding the CPS with examples and pointing out that the trial by social media and the MSM would make it impossible for my client to have a fair, unbiased trial. We need to get a grip. luckily for Joseph there is no Jury at the Magistrates Meaning I assume, that sub Judaism rules don’t apply in the Magistrates Court, and that Magistrates, who essentially do the job of a jury in deciding guilt are immune to outside pressure and influence. OK, you ducking stool witch hunters are a strange breed.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jul 30, 2021 20:12:42 GMT
luckily for Joseph there is no Jury at the Magistrates Meaning I assume, that sub Judaism rules don’t apply in the Magistrates Court, and that Magistrates, who essentially do the job of a jury in deciding guilt are immune to outside pressure and influence. OK, you ducking stool witch hunters are a strange breed. I believe you can eat bacon and all pork-based meats in UK courts
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Post by absent on Jul 30, 2021 20:39:53 GMT
luckily for Joseph there is no Jury at the Magistrates Meaning I assume, that sub Judaism rules don’t apply in the Magistrates Court, and that Magistrates, who essentially do the job of a jury in deciding guilt are immune to outside pressure and influence. OK, you ducking stool witch hunters are a strange breed. If the magistrate isn't immune to outside influence, there is a major problem in the UK Court system.
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Post by towngas on Jul 31, 2021 6:52:10 GMT
Meaning I assume, that sub Judaism rules don’t apply in the Magistrates Court, and that Magistrates, who essentially do the job of a jury in deciding guilt are immune to outside pressure and influence. OK, you ducking stool witch hunters are a strange breed. I believe you can eat bacon and all pork-based meats in UK courts Indeed you can, predictive text at its finest! I meant, of course, sub judacie.
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Post by towngas on Jul 31, 2021 6:53:05 GMT
Meaning I assume, that sub Judaism rules don’t apply in the Magistrates Court, and that Magistrates, who essentially do the job of a jury in deciding guilt are immune to outside pressure and influence. OK, you ducking stool witch hunters are a strange breed. If the magistrate isn't immune to outside influence, there is a major problem in the UK Court system. Oh, come on!
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Post by towngas on Jul 31, 2021 6:58:17 GMT
Thank you, a perfect illustration of what I said to you recently. If I were on Bartons defence team I would be trawling through all of this and bombarding the CPS with examples and pointing out that the trial by social media and the MSM would make it impossible for my client to have a fair, unbiased trial. We need to get a grip. What a puerile thing to say. So you think that without social media people wouldn't have formed these opinions. Get a grip of reality. Why is that peurile? I was recently involved in a court case where the defence had trawled through a witness' social media and linked in accounts and brought up all sorts of things to prove a certain mind set and attitude of said witness. Stuff written in haste on forums and other social media sites can be bombshell material if used correctly.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jul 31, 2021 7:55:42 GMT
Thank you, a perfect illustration of what I said to you recently. If I were on Bartons defence team I would be trawling through all of this and bombarding the CPS with examples and pointing out that the trial by social media and the MSM would make it impossible for my client to have a fair, unbiased trial. We need to get a grip. What a puerile thing to say. So you think that without social media people wouldn't have formed these opinions. Get a grip of reality. Exactly. Social media is just public bar chat gone public
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Post by trymer on Jul 31, 2021 8:08:32 GMT
What a puerile thing to say. So you think that without social media people wouldn't have formed these opinions. Get a grip of reality. Exactly. Social media is just public bar chat gone public I disagree,some people say things on social media that they wouldnt say in a bar because they know that they wont get filled in for saying things online.
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