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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 20, 2021 17:25:34 GMT
Well, that just about completes a very bad week for Gloucestershire. After Somerset were 89-5 after 14 overs they must have thought it was over esp at Taunton. 89/5 off 14. 100 runs off only 6 overs. Gloucestershire are suffering for not having a coach or game plan. They never bowled well at the death of innings in T20. Worral has been an abysmal signing, his T20 bowling rather talentless, yet he proved un droppable. He sent down 2 balls for 20 runs at one point - blockhole? Ha. both balls beamed at the tits. Clueless. they need to come out publicly and explain to fans, when so many more experienced players were available, they picked a substandard side in the county match. A game they needed a draw, they played dashers and flashers, opening batsman try outs, a spinner and 2nd change bowler with 3 caps shared. Cobain, smith, shaw should have played. GVB a better shout than Phillips for that one. seriously management need to make a public apology. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 20, 2021 18:52:44 GMT
Well, that just about completes a very bad week for Gloucestershire. After Somerset were 89-5 after 14 overs they must have thought it was over esp at Taunton. 89/5 off 14. 100 runs off only 6 overs. Gloucestershire are suffering for not having a coach or game plan. They never bowled well at the death of innings in T20. Worral has been an abysmal signing, his T20 bowling rather talentless, yet he proved un droppable. He sent down 2 balls for 20 runs at one point - blockhole? Ha. both balls beamed at the tits. Clueless. they need to come out publicly and explain to fans, when so many more experienced players were available, they picked a substandard side in the county match. A game they needed a draw, they played dashers and flashers, opening batsman try outs, a spinner and 2nd change bowler with 3 caps shared. Cobain, smith, shaw should have played. GVB a better shout than Phillips for that one. seriously management need to make a public apology. I don’t know the ins and outs at Gloucestershire. They seem to have missed GVB, are they any nearer to resolving his visa issue or has it been sorted and just not picked? I guess it’s him or Phillips and at the moment Phillips seems to be flavour of the month. I thought Worrall had done ok in the CC but if he’s taking an overseas place he needs to be one of the best players. Isn’t Richard Dawson coach or has there been a change? Tbf against Hampshire they nearly saw out a draw with the Prices doing very well so I’m not sure the performances play out to “dashers and flashers”. They have been a solid unit so far and Phillips gives them an attacking option. They’ve played well this season to an outsider. They have challenged to just miss out on a Championship spot in the last hour of a ten-match season. That’s not bad, sometimes the margins are very fine between success and ultimate failure. Believe me after 5 second places over the past 10 years as a Somerset fan you’re left frustrated and upset at what you think is someone’s fault. When in actual fact you’ve just failed to take a wicket or had one bad session which cost you at the end. Two of those five in 2016 and 2012 we all felt other counties gave up and it cost us. 2019 it was our own fault, a disastrous 90 minute session on the third afternoon cost us the Championship when we had been hot favourites on day two. But these things happen. I get your frustration but try and enjoy the last 4 matches and look to finish as high as possible to protect your position in a possible return to the two division format if it happens. But for Gloucestershire this is a step up from the last two seasons and will stand them in good stead for next season. They will be better and improve the squad with two players, a quality spinner and a batsman and continue to develop the youngsters. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 22, 2021 15:28:31 GMT
89/5 off 14. 100 runs off only 6 overs. Gloucestershire are suffering for not having a coach or game plan. They never bowled well at the death of innings in T20. Worral has been an abysmal signing, his T20 bowling rather talentless, yet he proved un droppable. He sent down 2 balls for 20 runs at one point - blockhole? Ha. both balls beamed at the tits. Clueless. they need to come out publicly and explain to fans, when so many more experienced players were available, they picked a substandard side in the county match. A game they needed a draw, they played dashers and flashers, opening batsman try outs, a spinner and 2nd change bowler with 3 caps shared. Cobain, smith, shaw should have played. GVB a better shout than Phillips for that one. seriously management need to make a public apology. I don’t know the ins and outs at Gloucestershire. They seem to have missed GVB, are they any nearer to resolving his visa issue or has it been sorted and just not picked? I guess it’s him or Phillips and at the moment Phillips seems to be flavour of the month. I thought Worrall had done ok in the CC but if he’s taking an overseas place he needs to be one of the best players. Isn’t Richard Dawson coach or has there been a change? Tbf against Hampshire they nearly saw out a draw with the Prices doing very well so I’m not sure the performances play out to “dashers and flashers”. They have been a solid unit so far and Phillips gives them an attacking option. They’ve played well this season to an outsider. They have challenged to just miss out on a Championship spot in the last hour of a ten-match season. That’s not bad, sometimes the margins are very fine between success and ultimate failure. Believe me after 5 second places over the past 10 years as a Somerset fan you’re left frustrated and upset at what you think is someone’s fault. When in actual fact you’ve just failed to take a wicket or had one bad session which cost you at the end. Two of those five in 2016 and 2012 we all felt other counties gave up and it cost us. 2019 it was our own fault, a disastrous 90 minute session on the third afternoon cost us the Championship when we had been hot favourites on day two. But these things happen. I get your frustration but try and enjoy the last 4 matches and look to finish as high as possible to protect your position in a possible return to the two division format if it happens. But for Gloucestershire this is a step up from the last two seasons and will stand them in good stead for next season. They will be better and improve the squad with two players, a quality spinner and a batsman and continue to develop the youngsters. Dawson is gone, and it shows as the wheels come off. there isn’t enough strength in depth in both batting, keeping, and all the bowling disciplines. It’s not just absence to dent, Payne, Higgins, it’s also impossible to keep them in form when ever present. Hampshire dominated all eight days against Gloucestershire this season, but there is a difference in say Cobain and jack taylor/Scott for reliability on batting long periods. They could have strengthen the team with experience for the 2nd match against Hampshire, it would have ensured a draw, it’s criminal they didn’t. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 22, 2021 19:11:23 GMT
Ok. Thanks superbus. Has Dawson been replaced? The strength in depth is something that affects many teams and at this difficult time financially I guess it’s understandable that reserves are largely academy players. With all the reasons that Somerset have for such a weakened bowling team at the moment I could be saying the same in September about a lack of depth, it happens sometimes. We can’t all be Surrey and Yorkshire. I’ve said Gloucestershire will benefit from the successes this season and they need to see the September games as an opportunity to cement their place as high as they can, get a couple of wins. They got a win early against Surrey, what about the second match (?) so they may take a few points into the next stage. Signing a solid batsman and possibly a spinner for next season and they could kick on successfully.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 23, 2021 13:04:17 GMT
I think that's a bit harsh personally. Dent, van Buuren and Payne are three of their most experienced campaigners, and they were all missing for one reason or another. I thought a very young team put up a pretty good fight and looked set to hang on for a draw until Oliver Price swept a ball into the helmet of short leg. Ultimately, a first innings collapse cost them in this game, and a lack of a quality spinner probably cost them overall (although again, van Burren would have helped here). They've basically finished this part of the season somewhere between 6th - 9th in a two division set up. That would give them a decent chance of first division survival which has to be the primary aim if and when we go back to a two tier system doesn't it? I know people are more tribal than I am when it comes to cricket, and that is fair enough. Personally, given that Glos and Worcester are now in Div 2 and 3 respectively, I will be rooting for Somerset come the resumption. I get what you mean jack. I really try to avoid tribalism in Cricket, not needed and liking Gloucestershire as well it is a shame they didn’t do it but I’m afraid the way the rules have been constructed for this second stage, carrying forward points means that teams will get tactical. I’m fully convinced that Somerset did not force home the win at Taunton against Hampshire because they were happy for Hampshire to get a draw an extra 8 points to avoid Gloucestershire going through. Now that the final six are known and seeing the points allocated it looks like Nottinghamshire and Yorkshire, not that I’m worried, have a big disadvantage. Because Warwickshire beat Nottinghamshire twice they take 21 points forward and Nottinghamshire only take 5 points into it. Lancs take 16.5 whilst Yorkshire take 4.5. Somerset take 18.5 and Hampshire 8.5. If Gloucestershire had qualified they’d have been in the same position as Somerset with lots of points and we’d have been like Hampshire, not so many. Its a real dilemma for the ECB. I think it’s fair to carry points over because the County Championship should reflect the whole season, April-September. Why should matches in April, May count any less over a season? But with these points the second stage is very loaded already. I’ll be surprised if Nottinghamshire or Yorkshire win it although I might be left with egg on my face. Already I’m thinking Somerset v Warwickshire match wherever it is will be vital. I wonder if they’ve not released the fixtures yet because they’re planning that match for a finale. I doubt it but you never know.And it will also be interesting to see what the ECB do next season. Obviously have to wait until this one’s over but if they do revert to Division 1 / Division 2 who will qualify for Division 1? Will they just go back to the end of 2019 and take that or will they factor in seasons 2020 and 2021? Whatever they do one or two counties will be upset. A real dilemma I think. As to Gloucestershire, they played very well all season and with 5 wins had more than most, including Somerset with 4. We’ve had to play the last two championship games without 4/5 of our bowlers. Against Leicestershire on a flat pitch it cost us, against Surrey we got away with it because it was a turner and we had our spinners, Leach and Van de Merwe. So the lack of pace didn’t impact as much. The work of our academy producing young players has come into its own and will do esp in the One Day Cup when we’re missing 10 front line players. It looks to me, from a distance, that Gloucestershire lacked strength in depth and lacked a couple of players, a spinner and a batsman to play all season. The lowest batting bonus points cost them and whilst they played their hearts out esp v Somerset they need to do it more and not just against local rivals. They looked to me to be solid but didn’t score heavily or sometimes fast enough. Bracey was so good in April and May and equally as poor in June and July. A real shame. But in the long run it will do them and their players a lot of good, they’ve been competitive, have shown they can beat the best (Surrey and Somerset) but were outdone twice against Hampshire and just avoided defeat the first time. They’ll need to sort out Van Burren’s visa problem and hope that their younger players benefit from the experience they have gained. They’ll be ok I think. I’m never correct with this stuff but the fixtures for the second stage have just been released and the last match is .....Warwickshire v Somerset! Look like they have a formula for making the fixtures based on points carried forward. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 24, 2021 22:41:10 GMT
Hammond Howell Birmingham Higgy Cobain Payne Wales
Dent injured
Bracey isolating
7 certain starters missing if glos serious winning this competition, which they can’t be.
Book a Tuscan holiday for the Thursday Trent bridge final, two group wins tops
Glos have though stolen a keeper off Somerset. Hopefully he is in otherwise it’s Lace keeping.
AND Charlesworth is back. That can only be a good thing.
Gloucestershire have lost the toss and been asked to field by Lancashire. (It’s Jack Taylor doing the tossing).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 22:43:48 GMT
I wish I could see Glos on TV. I'm not watching franchise hundreds.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 24, 2021 22:44:39 GMT
I get what you mean jack. I really try to avoid tribalism in Cricket, not needed and liking Gloucestershire as well it is a shame they didn’t do it but I’m afraid the way the rules have been constructed for this second stage, carrying forward points means that teams will get tactical. I’m fully convinced that Somerset did not force home the win at Taunton against Hampshire because they were happy for Hampshire to get a draw an extra 8 points to avoid Gloucestershire going through. Now that the final six are known and seeing the points allocated it looks like Nottinghamshire and Yorkshire, not that I’m worried, have a big disadvantage. Because Warwickshire beat Nottinghamshire twice they take 21 points forward and Nottinghamshire only take 5 points into it. Lancs take 16.5 whilst Yorkshire take 4.5. Somerset take 18.5 and Hampshire 8.5. If Gloucestershire had qualified they’d have been in the same position as Somerset with lots of points and we’d have been like Hampshire, not so many. Its a real dilemma for the ECB. I think it’s fair to carry points over because the County Championship should reflect the whole season, April-September. Why should matches in April, May count any less over a season? But with these points the second stage is very loaded already. I’ll be surprised if Nottinghamshire or Yorkshire win it although I might be left with egg on my face. Already I’m thinking Somerset v Warwickshire match wherever it is will be vital. I wonder if they’ve not released the fixtures yet because they’re planning that match for a finale. I doubt it but you never know.And it will also be interesting to see what the ECB do next season. Obviously have to wait until this one’s over but if they do revert to Division 1 / Division 2 who will qualify for Division 1? Will they just go back to the end of 2019 and take that or will they factor in seasons 2020 and 2021? Whatever they do one or two counties will be upset. A real dilemma I think. As to Gloucestershire, they played very well all season and with 5 wins had more than most, including Somerset with 4. We’ve had to play the last two championship games without 4/5 of our bowlers. Against Leicestershire on a flat pitch it cost us, against Surrey we got away with it because it was a turner and we had our spinners, Leach and Van de Merwe. So the lack of pace didn’t impact as much. The work of our academy producing young players has come into its own and will do esp in the One Day Cup when we’re missing 10 front line players. It looks to me, from a distance, that Gloucestershire lacked strength in depth and lacked a couple of players, a spinner and a batsman to play all season. The lowest batting bonus points cost them and whilst they played their hearts out esp v Somerset they need to do it more and not just against local rivals. They looked to me to be solid but didn’t score heavily or sometimes fast enough. Bracey was so good in April and May and equally as poor in June and July. A real shame. But in the long run it will do them and their players a lot of good, they’ve been competitive, have shown they can beat the best (Surrey and Somerset) but were outdone twice against Hampshire and just avoided defeat the first time. They’ll need to sort out Van Burren’s visa problem and hope that their younger players benefit from the experience they have gained. They’ll be ok I think. I’m never correct with this stuff but the fixtures for the second stage have just been released and the last match is .....Warwickshire v Somerset! Look like they have a formula for making the fixtures based on points carried forward. I think Somerset are in with a great chance, with the Lancashire title decider on home advantage and Overton ignored by England. you know I like long range forecasts, it’s actually looking pretty dry for these last four games. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 24, 2021 22:51:02 GMT
I haven’t checked the forecast superbus. Having Overton and esp Gregory available to us will be vital. Keeping Conway and having a fit Abell and Davey would give me more confidence. I think we have a very good chance but we are Somerset and we usually find a way to be runners up.😉
Long way to go and amongst the razzmatazz of the Hundred it won’t even be noticed.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 24, 2021 22:59:26 GMT
I wish I could see Glos on TV. I'm not watching franchise hundreds. You can watch ducky. All home Gloucestershire matches will be streamed live (free) via the Gloscricket Match Centre. Away matches will be streamed by the home counties. So as well as the match centre web page, it is also on YouTube. And if you have Sky Q, YouTube is built in, which is just like choosing a channel and filling your TV with live Glos. similar effect can be achieved attaching to a device, such as HDMI your laptop to your telly. www.gloscricket.co.uk/match-centre/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 23:37:50 GMT
All home Gloucestershire matches will be streamed live (free) via the Gloscricket Match Centre. Away matches will be streamed by the home counties. So as well as the match centre web page, it is also on YouTube. And if you have Sky Q, YouTube is built in, which is just like choosing a channel and filling your TV with live Glos. similar effect can be achieved attaching to a device, such as HDMI your laptop to your telly. www.gloscricket.co.uk/match-centre/I can access YouTube on this dim TV via the Bluray player so I'll try this tomorrow, thanks Emporer. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 25, 2021 11:06:49 GMT
Hammond Howell Birmingham Higgy Cobain Payne Wales Dent injured Bracey isolating 7 certain starters missing if glos serious winning this competition, which they can’t be. Book a Tuscan holiday for the Thursday Trent bridge final, two group wins tops Glos have though stolen a keeper off Somerset. Hopefully he is in otherwise it’s Lace keeping. AND Charlesworth is back. That can only be a good thing. Gloucestershire have lost the toss and been asked to field by Lancashire. (It’s Jack Taylor doing the tossing). Anyway, the really big news of the day, jack couldn’t toss in the playboy mansion, so he’s out to bat in thirteenth over. Running out of batsman here glos. four down. The rain has gone off and it’s feeling warm. |
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Post by irishrover on Jul 26, 2021 23:40:36 GMT
I get what you mean jack. I really try to avoid tribalism in Cricket, not needed and liking Gloucestershire as well it is a shame they didn’t do it but I’m afraid the way the rules have been constructed for this second stage, carrying forward points means that teams will get tactical. I’m fully convinced that Somerset did not force home the win at Taunton against Hampshire because they were happy for Hampshire to get a draw an extra 8 points to avoid Gloucestershire going through. Now that the final six are known and seeing the points allocated it looks like Nottinghamshire and Yorkshire, not that I’m worried, have a big disadvantage. Because Warwickshire beat Nottinghamshire twice they take 21 points forward and Nottinghamshire only take 5 points into it. Lancs take 16.5 whilst Yorkshire take 4.5. Somerset take 18.5 and Hampshire 8.5. If Gloucestershire had qualified they’d have been in the same position as Somerset with lots of points and we’d have been like Hampshire, not so many. Its a real dilemma for the ECB. I think it’s fair to carry points over because the County Championship should reflect the whole season, April-September. Why should matches in April, May count any less over a season? But with these points the second stage is very loaded already. I’ll be surprised if Nottinghamshire or Yorkshire win it although I might be left with egg on my face. Already I’m thinking Somerset v Warwickshire match wherever it is will be vital. I wonder if they’ve not released the fixtures yet because they’re planning that match for a finale. I doubt it but you never know.And it will also be interesting to see what the ECB do next season. Obviously have to wait until this one’s over but if they do revert to Division 1 / Division 2 who will qualify for Division 1? Will they just go back to the end of 2019 and take that or will they factor in seasons 2020 and 2021? Whatever they do one or two counties will be upset. A real dilemma I think. As to Gloucestershire, they played very well all season and with 5 wins had more than most, including Somerset with 4. We’ve had to play the last two championship games without 4/5 of our bowlers. Against Leicestershire on a flat pitch it cost us, against Surrey we got away with it because it was a turner and we had our spinners, Leach and Van de Merwe. So the lack of pace didn’t impact as much. The work of our academy producing young players has come into its own and will do esp in the One Day Cup when we’re missing 10 front line players. It looks to me, from a distance, that Gloucestershire lacked strength in depth and lacked a couple of players, a spinner and a batsman to play all season. The lowest batting bonus points cost them and whilst they played their hearts out esp v Somerset they need to do it more and not just against local rivals. They looked to me to be solid but didn’t score heavily or sometimes fast enough. Bracey was so good in April and May and equally as poor in June and July. A real shame. But in the long run it will do them and their players a lot of good, they’ve been competitive, have shown they can beat the best (Surrey and Somerset) but were outdone twice against Hampshire and just avoided defeat the first time. They’ll need to sort out Van Burren’s visa problem and hope that their younger players benefit from the experience they have gained. They’ll be ok I think. I’m never correct with this stuff but the fixtures for the second stage have just been released and the last match is .....Warwickshire v Somerset! Look like they have a formula for making the fixtures based on points carried forward. That's interesting - I didn't know that. To be honest the 2nd stage has been a bit of mystery to me throughout and even now I struggle to understand what anyone other than the teams in the top group have to really play for.
I've been AWOL for a few weeks but I would just say that in truth I think Glos have had a very good season. They were essentially a session short of qualifying for that final group which would have been an excellent achievement that no one had them pegged for at the start of the season. Yes it's very dissapointing they threw away such a strong position and the in the end their batting proved to be a little to fragile a little too often. But this has been the best Championship season for an aeon so I struggle to be too down about it.
I feel a bit more annoyed they didn't get through to the Blast Quarter-Finals. T20 has been a strong suit and they should have made it to the knock out stage again this year. Missed opportunity that means the season peeters out a bit which is a shame. But on the whole I'm quite optimistic especially as they seem to be actually bringing through some home grown talent for once.
I like Somerset's chances but I'm making Lancs favourites to win the Championship if (and it always is a potentially significant factor for them) Manchester rain doesn't mess up their home matches in September.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 27, 2021 12:26:14 GMT
Spot of rain here at Bristol but spin twins have put Glos in good position.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 28, 2021 22:23:31 GMT
Been in Taunton today at the One Day Cup Match v Glamorgan. Cracking match and we won at the end by 1 run. All day we were losing the match after losing the toss on a rain interrupted day. 49-5, 180-7 at the end. Glamorgan were walking it really at 127-4. But our two young fast bowlers, Aldridge and Baker bowled very fast and our other young bowlers kept their nerve esp Goldsworthy who was bowling the final over with 10 needed. They were all very accurate and kept their nerve. Glamorgan threw it away really all they needed to do was do it in singles, they were always ahead of the run rate until the last 5 overs when they panicked. Very unprofessional from them, a fair few fans from South Wales who were let down I think.
With Hildreth and Davies out early today it was all about the youngsters including George Drissell, an off spinner from Gloucestershire who bowled and fielded well.
Great match watched by a good crowd on a day when the two Hundred games were abandoned without a ball being bowled. I think several of us in Taunton would have enjoyed that irony.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 22:42:05 GMT
The hundred hasn't half encouraged me to support my county.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 29, 2021 9:16:37 GMT
The hundred hasn't half encouraged me to support my county. Always support your county. I had a great day in Taunton and whilst it was a great last few minutes to win, it really wouldn’t have mattered if we’d lost, seriously. A day of dodging the showers, catching up with friends, good conversation, watching young professionals trying to make a career out of cricket playing the game in the right spirit, what’s not to like? And only two conversations from people who know who I support, football-wise, expressing their views about you-know-who! I couldn’t quite work out if they were sympathetic to me as a fan or not! I certainly felt a degree of shame when I’ve always felt pride for the club as being the right sort of club. It will blow over, sooner rather than later I hope. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 12, 2021 18:42:54 GMT
Despite everything, not least complete lack of death bowling, Gloucestershire have qualified for quarter final at the Oval on Sunday.
6 6 6 2 to Hamer from final 4 balls at Old Trafford to tie game put Gloucestershire through.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 13, 2021 11:15:42 GMT
Despite everything, not least complete lack of death bowling, Gloucestershire have qualified for quarter final at the Oval on Sunday. 6 6 6 2 to Hamer from final 4 balls at Old Trafford to tie game put Gloucestershire through. 😶 Lucky old Gloucestershire. Less points than Lancashire but they qualify. Somerset had an awful last 5 days with 3 defeats to go from 2nd to one from bottom in a very close League. Never mind we’ve had a successful tournament in one way, Goldsworthy and Green have really developed into match winning players which will do them a power of good and a couple more have turned themselves into serious players. Hildreth and Davies continued in fine batting form at the important end of the season. Was at Taunton on Wednesday for the Leicestershire game and it was a great game even though we lost. Good luck to Gloucestershire on Sunday. |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Aug 14, 2021 19:34:15 GMT
Still no Charlesworth or Lace. It really is a side held together by old pad straps and a whiff of deepheat
If we bat first defending may be an issue, with the toss we could chase and spin friendly Oval play into our spinners as home side push too hard.
The toss crucial to Glos chances.
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