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Post by holmesgas1 on Apr 9, 2021 19:21:55 GMT
No it is not me who have stuck their head in a bucket it seems to me your in a bit of a time warp, and hark back to a different era, when life was supposedly rosy. Unfortunately it was not. As a Rovers supporter since the 60s I've lived through most of them, and to me we are in a better place off the field than years previously. Eg. Training ground, and an owner who does have some money. Its not me who should be looking for facts, especially when your not even willing to give TG credit for what he has done over the last few years. With respect to debt Weal wrote off 20M last year, and I know you guys keep questioning that and that it's not really happened. Company house seems to show different. Though I'm sure Swiss will come back with something to prove otherwise. Lastly I get the feeling it does not matter what this regime did, you would find fault. Change is difficult, but one should embrace and look for the positive. You will find life is a much happier place then. You're wasting your time on this one HolmesGas. (I think the technical term is "p*ssing in the wind") Its all Wael or Gorringe's fault, you must know that by now. Charlton lost £10m (again) last year, Rochdale needed a loan from the Council to keep going, Oxford lost £4.5m the season before last, tuned it into a profit last year by selling players and with £3m pumped in by shareholders. Posh lost £4 million even with selling their star striker. Just a quick selection of different size clubs in our division. But the list is endless, you don't need to look very far and it doesn't take long to look up. But people wont bother to find out, although they will bother to ring Ashton Gate (new stadium, all seater 27000 seats) to enquire about season tickets so as to knock Gorringe). (That last bit is actually hilarious, especially to then use it in a so say serious debate.) Its all that nasty Wael's fault for funding us by £20m and building us a Training Ground. How dare he do that. And that useless Gorringe turning us from a corner shop into to a professional business. Whatever next? Totally agree with you and thanks for adding a few facts, but as you say let's leave it there as I think both of us know, he's not for listening.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Apr 9, 2021 19:26:01 GMT
How does £20m over 5 years, all secured against the stadium, compare to what other owners of L1 clubs have done over that period? Fleetwood are insane and lost almost £6m on their last set of published accounts, but that's what happens when you have a novice manager and try to buy promotion I guess, but I'll wager that the vast majority of L1 clubs, whilst losing money, won't have done anywhere near £20m, and that the owners will have carried some of the losses personally without securing the whole lot against assets. Anyway, we keep being told that Gorringe is a marketing God, so that gives us a massive advantage over our L1 rivals, and remember, Bristol has a catchment area of circa 1 million people, and only 2 professional football clubs, so it should be a pretty soft market, especially as Wael walked in with everything riding high and back-to-back promotions for the first time ever in Rovers' history. I like Tom Gorringe. He's very approachable and always responds promptly to questions. Based on personal experience - I think criticism is unwarranted. So save it for... Our buffoon of an owner, the DOF, the violent thug manager and the sycophantic B***** fanboys. The Club is an embarrassment. United we stand, divided we fall. It's just all very, very sad. You were doing well until the last paragraph and apologies if it was satire and I just missed it. If not, I would advise counting to 10, as in the main it stops people saying and writing utter rubbish.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Apr 9, 2021 19:32:58 GMT
No it is not me who have stuck their head in a bucket it seems to me your in a bit of a time warp, and hark back to a different era, when life was supposedly rosy. Unfortunately it was not. As a Rovers supporter since the 60s I've lived through most of them, and to me we are in a better place off the field than years previously. Eg. Training ground, and an owner who does have some money. Its not me who should be looking for facts, especially when your not even willing to give TG credit for what he has done over the last few years. With respect to debt Weal wrote off 20M last year, and I know you guys keep questioning that and that it's not really happened. Company house seems to show different. Though I'm sure Swiss will come back with something to prove otherwise. Lastly I get the feeling it does not matter what this regime did, you would find fault. Change is difficult, but one should embrace and look for the positive. You will find life is a much happier place then. I like the positivity Holmesgas, but Wael is no Lansdowne, he will not be able to sustain losing 5 million each year ongoing, the losses secured against the Mem must already be getting close to the total asset value, then what?. The Wael and Garner Developing Youth for Profit Plan is now out the window and that was the very thing that was supposed to be the big profit maker to make us more sustainable. B***** I think will want to spend money, he has shown that from his Fleetwood days, can Wael say no to him?, and so we go on. It's not today I am concerned about, 2 years later concerns me. I agree with you and that is my concern also, theses losses cannot go on for infinitum. Hopefully he's seen the worst out with Covid, but until we get a stadium it will be tough to be sustainable. If we don't we may well have to cut our cloth to survive, because only a lucky few get away with surviving on player sales alone and keeping or improving their league position. Crewe and Peterborough or the only two I can think of straight away.
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 20:01:16 GMT
Sorry your arguments just don't stack.. Love the way you turned it back to JB with quote about Fleetwood. Their owner seems to be willing to go down that route, again not sustainable.. Most other clubs in league 1 have a stadium that does generate extra income. Burton are a great example of that, but even so most are losing money handover fist. Catchment area, a two club city... That definitely does not help us especially when our red friends are doing much better than us at the moment. Big business will gravitate to them unfortunately. One thing you do have right is Tom Gorringe, he's doing an excellent job in difficult circumstances and we are considerably more professional in all aspects of the club than compared to the Higgs era, which based upon anyone's criteria was an unmitigated disaster. If you explain otherwise I would like to hear it other than getting lucky with DC. My arguments are absolutely sound, all you've done is stick your head in a bucket and shout without explaining why I'm wrong. It's a matter of record that B***** was the manager when Fleetwood posted losses of £5,950,000 and still didn't get promoted. As Swiss keeps asking, do we have figures to demonstrate that there's a net increase in retained profit from anything that Gorringe has been involved in? Remember, this is the bloke who took on Mintbet as a sponsor, when we were expresely forbidden from entering any such contract, that made national news. You may think we're lucky to have him, I think he should have gone years ago. I'll ask again, how does £20m over 5 years, culminating in a desperate relegation battle, with the losses secured against our home, compare to what's happened at all other L1 clubs over that period? Go do some research, when you have some data let us know, it'll be interesting to see how we stack up against the competition. Ref what's happening in BS3, their stadium holds around 20,000 people, that leaves us the other 980,000 people to target as potential customers. A great example of how dreadful Gorringe is would be that I tried to buy a season ticket and was refused as the deadline had passed, this was prior to the first home game, so I phoned Ashton Gate, they had already played their first home match for that season but said that I was welcome to come down, there weren't may seats available but someone would go around the ground with me, I could sit in each of the available seats and buy a season ticket for whichever one I liked best. Lucky to have him? Yeah, OK, if you say so. I am still baffled by this. This is the first season for nearly 30 years that I haven't had a Rovers season ticket. When they went on sale last year I didn't know whether I would have a job for much longer. I had a Celtic and Rovers ticket to renew. I renewed my Celtic one, on the grounds that, if I didn't I would probably never get one again considering the waiting list, I also knew I could easily sell it on if I needed the money, I knew this meant missing the deadline for a reduced price season ticket for Rovers, but- wrongly as it turns out- I assumed I could actually still buy a season ticket. After a couple of months business really started to recover (bizarrely it is at record levels now) so I went to get a Rovers season ticket , only to be told I was too late (This is before we had even played a game) Is there any other business anywhere in the world that turns away customers wanting to pay cash up front for a product they may not - and in this case didn't- actually receive?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 20:08:10 GMT
I like the positivity Holmesgas, but Wael is no Lansdowne, he will not be able to sustain losing 5 million each year ongoing, the losses secured against the Mem must already be getting close to the total asset value, then what?. The Wael and Garner Developing Youth for Profit Plan is now out the window and that was the very thing that was supposed to be the big profit maker to make us more sustainable. B***** I think will want to spend money, he has shown that from his Fleetwood days, can Wael say no to him?, and so we go on. It's not today I am concerned about, 2 years later concerns me. I agree with you and that is my concern also, theses losses cannot go on for infinitum. Hopefully he's seen the worst out with Covid, but until we get a stadium it will be tough to be sustainable. If we don't we may well have to cut our cloth to survive, because only a lucky few get away with surviving on player sales alone and keeping or improving their league position. Crewe and Peterborough or the only two I can think of straight away. This is where it gets even more challenging. Without the income generation of a new ground, cutting the cloth accordingly invarably means not being competitive on the field, as there is a going wage rate for decent ish players, and, with the limited income generation affordeed by the Mem, that leads to Conference South in our case.
So the only realistic model in our situation is owner funding. We are not alone, look across league 1, look across the city - same scenario but different league - just different amounts, (and listening to some of their fans at the moment, this forums love-in with Lansdown is certianly not recipricated).
The model of a previous generation that proved successful for us at the time (ie part of the time at Twerton) and that some seem to crave no longer exists as a viable option.
I think its worth noting though that until Covid, the plan to cut annual losses to a more manageable level was on course. Though clearly not sustainable long term still.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 20:14:39 GMT
My arguments are absolutely sound, all you've done is stick your head in a bucket and shout without explaining why I'm wrong. It's a matter of record that B***** was the manager when Fleetwood posted losses of £5,950,000 and still didn't get promoted. As Swiss keeps asking, do we have figures to demonstrate that there's a net increase in retained profit from anything that Gorringe has been involved in? Remember, this is the bloke who took on Mintbet as a sponsor, when we were expresely forbidden from entering any such contract, that made national news. You may think we're lucky to have him, I think he should have gone years ago. I'll ask again, how does £20m over 5 years, culminating in a desperate relegation battle, with the losses secured against our home, compare to what's happened at all other L1 clubs over that period? Go do some research, when you have some data let us know, it'll be interesting to see how we stack up against the competition. Ref what's happening in BS3, their stadium holds around 20,000 people, that leaves us the other 980,000 people to target as potential customers. A great example of how dreadful Gorringe is would be that I tried to buy a season ticket and was refused as the deadline had passed, this was prior to the first home game, so I phoned Ashton Gate, they had already played their first home match for that season but said that I was welcome to come down, there weren't may seats available but someone would go around the ground with me, I could sit in each of the available seats and buy a season ticket for whichever one I liked best. Lucky to have him? Yeah, OK, if you say so. I am still baffled by this. This is the first season for nearly 30 years that I haven't had a Rovers season ticket. When they went on sale last year I didn't know whether I would have a job for much longer. I had a Celtic and Rovers ticket to renew. I renewed my Celtic one, on the grounds that, if I didn't I would probably never get one again considering the waiting list, I also knew I could easily sell it on if I needed the money, I knew this meant missing the deadline for a reduced price season ticket for Rovers, but- wrongly as it turns out- I assumed I could actually still buy a season ticket. After a couple of months business really started to recover (bizarrely it is at record levels now) so I went to get a Rovers season ticket , only to be told I was too late (This is before we had even played a game) Is there any other business anywhere in the world that turns away customers wanting to pay cash up front for a product they may not - and in this case didn't- actually receive? Worth dropping a line to Gorringe
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 20:24:24 GMT
I am still baffled by this. This is the first season for nearly 30 years that I haven't had a Rovers season ticket. When they went on sale last year I didn't know whether I would have a job for much longer. I had a Celtic and Rovers ticket to renew. I renewed my Celtic one, on the grounds that, if I didn't I would probably never get one again considering the waiting list, I also knew I could easily sell it on if I needed the money, I knew this meant missing the deadline for a reduced price season ticket for Rovers, but- wrongly as it turns out- I assumed I could actually still buy a season ticket. After a couple of months business really started to recover (bizarrely it is at record levels now) so I went to get a Rovers season ticket , only to be told I was too late (This is before we had even played a game) Is there any other business anywhere in the world that turns away customers wanting to pay cash up front for a product they may not - and in this case didn't- actually receive? Worth dropping a line to GorringeWell I won't be buying one now Maybe I should have kicked up a bit more of a fuss, but that still doesn't take away from the fact Rovers actually turned away fans money, at least 3 that I know of.
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Post by laughinggas on Apr 9, 2021 20:25:39 GMT
Is there a limit to number of season ti kets we sell? Does any club allocate 100% of home allowance as season tickets?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 20:33:48 GMT
Worth dropping a line to Gorringe Well I won't be buying one now Maybe I should have kicked up a bit more of a fuss, but that still doesn't take away from the fact Rovers actually turned away fans money, at least 3 that I know of. Im surprised no one has dropped him a line. I have done on a couple of issues previously and he replied quite quickly with an explanation re my issue.
Not having a pop at you but its clearly an issue and possibly was for others. So perhaps a good idea to get an explanation from Gorringe, so it can all be put to bed after an explanation. And maybe fixed for the future.
Much better to do that than ring Ashton Gate I reckon
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 20:42:44 GMT
Well I won't be buying one now Maybe I should have kicked up a bit more of a fuss, but that still doesn't take away from the fact Rovers actually turned away fans money, at least 3 that I know of. Im surprised no one has dropped him a line. I have done on a couple of issues previously and he replied quite quickly with an explanation re my issue.
Not having a pop at you but its clearly an issue and possibly was for others. So perhaps a good idea to get an explanation from Gorringe, so it can all be put to bed after an explanation. And maybe fixed for the future.
Much better to do that than ring Ashton Gate I reckon
I think Bambi was just trying to illustrate a point and one it's hard to argue against. Bambi has made it clear he doesn't rate Gorringe, I can't say I have ever had a problem with him directly, although if it was him responsible to have a deadline for selling ST's then you have to question what was a truly baffling decision.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 20:52:12 GMT
My arguments are absolutely sound, all you've done is stick your head in a bucket and shout without explaining why I'm wrong. It's a matter of record that B***** was the manager when Fleetwood posted losses of £5,950,000 and still didn't get promoted. As Swiss keeps asking, do we have figures to demonstrate that there's a net increase in retained profit from anything that Gorringe has been involved in? Remember, this is the bloke who took on Mintbet as a sponsor, when we were expresely forbidden from entering any such contract, that made national news. You may think we're lucky to have him, I think he should have gone years ago. I'll ask again, how does £20m over 5 years, culminating in a desperate relegation battle, with the losses secured against our home, compare to what's happened at all other L1 clubs over that period? Go do some research, when you have some data let us know, it'll be interesting to see how we stack up against the competition. Ref what's happening in BS3, their stadium holds around 20,000 people, that leaves us the other 980,000 people to target as potential customers. A great example of how dreadful Gorringe is would be that I tried to buy a season ticket and was refused as the deadline had passed, this was prior to the first home game, so I phoned Ashton Gate, they had already played their first home match for that season but said that I was welcome to come down, there weren't may seats available but someone would go around the ground with me, I could sit in each of the available seats and buy a season ticket for whichever one I liked best. Lucky to have him? Yeah, OK, if you say so. No it is not me who have stuck their head in a bucket it seems to me your in a bit of a time warp, and hark back to a different era, when life was supposedly rosy. Unfortunately it was not. As a Rovers supporter since the 60s I've lived through most of them, and to me we are in a better place off the field than years previously. Eg. Training ground, and an owner who does have some money. Its not me who should be looking for facts, especially when your not even willing to give TG credit for what he has done over the last few years. With respect to debt Weal wrote off 20M last year, and I know you guys keep questioning that and that it's not really happened. Company house seems to show different. Though I'm sure Swiss will come back with something to prove otherwise. Lastly I get the feeling it does not matter what this regime did, you would find fault. Change is difficult, but one should embrace and look for the positive. You will find life is a much happier place then. I've already asked the question, do you have figures that demonstrate that Gorringe has generated additional retained profit? I can't find them in the accounts, and no, nothing is 'just obvious', with the mess he's made of a lot of things evidence is required before giving credit for a job well done. So, not willing to do a bit of work to back up your assumption that Rovers have had value for money from Wael? That's OK, but don't expect the claims to be taken too seriously if you won't invest a bit of effort to substantiate them. No, Wael did nor 'write off' £20m, Swiss worked through the numbers, it netted down to an investment nearer £12m, and it's secured against the stadium, not one penny that I'm aware of has been written off, apart from the notional interest that was being applied. Not sure I want a version of 'happy' if to achieve it one is required to deny reality.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 21:00:15 GMT
My arguments are absolutely sound, all you've done is stick your head in a bucket and shout without explaining why I'm wrong. It's a matter of record that B***** was the manager when Fleetwood posted losses of £5,950,000 and still didn't get promoted. As Swiss keeps asking, do we have figures to demonstrate that there's a net increase in retained profit from anything that Gorringe has been involved in? Remember, this is the bloke who took on Mintbet as a sponsor, when we were expresely forbidden from entering any such contract, that made national news. You may think we're lucky to have him, I think he should have gone years ago. I'll ask again, how does £20m over 5 years, culminating in a desperate relegation battle, with the losses secured against our home, compare to what's happened at all other L1 clubs over that period? Go do some research, when you have some data let us know, it'll be interesting to see how we stack up against the competition. Ref what's happening in BS3, their stadium holds around 20,000 people, that leaves us the other 980,000 people to target as potential customers. A great example of how dreadful Gorringe is would be that I tried to buy a season ticket and was refused as the deadline had passed, this was prior to the first home game, so I phoned Ashton Gate, they had already played their first home match for that season but said that I was welcome to come down, there weren't may seats available but someone would go around the ground with me, I could sit in each of the available seats and buy a season ticket for whichever one I liked best. Lucky to have him? Yeah, OK, if you say so. I am still baffled by this. This is the first season for nearly 30 years that I haven't had a Rovers season ticket. When they went on sale last year I didn't know whether I would have a job for much longer. I had a Celtic and Rovers ticket to renew. I renewed my Celtic one, on the grounds that, if I didn't I would probably never get one again considering the waiting list, I also knew I could easily sell it on if I needed the money, I knew this meant missing the deadline for a reduced price season ticket for Rovers, but- wrongly as it turns out- I assumed I could actually still buy a season ticket. After a couple of months business really started to recover (bizarrely it is at record levels now) so I went to get a Rovers season ticket , only to be told I was too late (This is before we had even played a game) Is there any other business anywhere in the world that turns away customers wanting to pay cash up front for a product they may not - and in this case didn't- actually receive? Save your effort, Gorringe is a God, despite a long list of mistakes that would embarrass a 6th form business study student, I mean, what on earth is going on when someone asks to buy a ticket in advance for 23 events, prior to the first of those events taking place, and is told that they are too late? Sorry but Gorringe is a liability if his idea of business is turning people away when they are in your shop offering to pay your price and you have surplus stock. And although Wael hasn't 'written off' anything other than interest that was never applied, the true figure invested just keeps growing and growing, it'll be up to a billion quid in a few pages time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 21:06:39 GMT
Im surprised no one has dropped him a line. I have done on a couple of issues previously and he replied quite quickly with an explanation re my issue.
Not having a pop at you but its clearly an issue and possibly was for others. So perhaps a good idea to get an explanation from Gorringe, so it can all be put to bed after an explanation. And maybe fixed for the future.
Much better to do that than ring Ashton Gate I reckon
I think Bambi was just trying to illustrate a point and one it's hard to argue against. Bambi has made it clear he doesn't rate Gorringe, I can't say I have ever had a problem with him directly, although if it was him responsible to have a deadline for selling ST's then you have to question what was a truly baffling decision. I did try to speak to him, no reply, ended up exchanging emails with Hani. The deadline had passed, and that was it. The problem was, in previous years as long as the ticket was bought prior to the first even there was no issue, and there are always so many deadlines you can't be expected to work out which one is the real one. They have my email address, in fact, they have several, on different databases, so not being able to make contact and explain that the actual, real, final, we're serious this time, deadline is approaching was possible, but the master of disaster communication, Gorringe, couldn't work it out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 21:33:35 GMT
I think Bambi was just trying to illustrate a point and one it's hard to argue against. Bambi has made it clear he doesn't rate Gorringe, I can't say I have ever had a problem with him directly, although if it was him responsible to have a deadline for selling ST's then you have to question what was a truly baffling decision. I did try to speak to him, no reply, ended up exchanging emails with Hani. The deadline had passed, and that was it. The problem was, in previous years as long as the ticket was bought prior to the first even there was no issue, and there are always so many deadlines you can't be expected to work out which one is the real one.They have my email address, in fact, they have several, on different databases, so not being able to make contact and explain that the actual, real, final, we're serious this time, deadline is approaching was possible, but the master of disaster communication, Gorringe, couldn't work it out.
Glad you cleared it up for us all.
So - you ignored the deadline, and missed out.
And blaming Gorringe for you error of ignoring the deadline.
Thanks for the explanation.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Apr 9, 2021 21:35:21 GMT
No it is not me who have stuck their head in a bucket it seems to me your in a bit of a time warp, and hark back to a different era, when life was supposedly rosy. Unfortunately it was not. As a Rovers supporter since the 60s I've lived through most of them, and to me we are in a better place off the field than years previously. Eg. Training ground, and an owner who does have some money. Its not me who should be looking for facts, especially when your not even willing to give TG credit for what he has done over the last few years. With respect to debt Weal wrote off 20M last year, and I know you guys keep questioning that and that it's not really happened. Company house seems to show different. Though I'm sure Swiss will come back with something to prove otherwise. Lastly I get the feeling it does not matter what this regime did, you would find fault. Change is difficult, but one should embrace and look for the positive. You will find life is a much happier place then. I've already asked the question, do you have figures that demonstrate that Gorringe has generated additional retained profit? I can't find them in the accounts, and no, nothing is 'just obvious', with the mess he's made of a lot of things evidence is required before giving credit for a job well done. So, not willing to do a bit of work to back up your assumption that Rovers have had value for money from Wael? That's OK, but don't expect the claims to be taken too seriously if you won't invest a bit of effort to substantiate them. No, Wael did nor 'write off' £20m, Swiss worked through the numbers, it netted down to an investment nearer £12m, and it's secured against the stadium, not one penny that I'm aware of has been written off, apart from the notional interest that was being applied. Not sure I want a version of 'happy' if to achieve it one is required to deny reality. Deny reality, you have no facts so you hide behind a confident rhetoric. Pure Trumpism, luckily like him not many people take you seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 21:37:39 GMT
I did try to speak to him, no reply, ended up exchanging emails with Hani. The deadline had passed, and that was it. The problem was, in previous years as long as the ticket was bought prior to the first even there was no issue, and there are always so many deadlines you can't be expected to work out which one is the real one.They have my email address, in fact, they have several, on different databases, so not being able to make contact and explain that the actual, real, final, we're serious this time, deadline is approaching was possible, but the master of disaster communication, Gorringe, couldn't work it out.
Glad you cleared it up for us all.
So - you ignored the deadline, and missed out.
And blaming Gorringe for you error of ignoring the deadline.
Thanks for the explanation.
No, I did the exact same as every other year, Gorringe changed it and failed to communicate the change. Sorry for not making it clearer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 21:41:19 GMT
I've already asked the question, do you have figures that demonstrate that Gorringe has generated additional retained profit? I can't find them in the accounts, and no, nothing is 'just obvious', with the mess he's made of a lot of things evidence is required before giving credit for a job well done. So, not willing to do a bit of work to back up your assumption that Rovers have had value for money from Wael? That's OK, but don't expect the claims to be taken too seriously if you won't invest a bit of effort to substantiate them. No, Wael did nor 'write off' £20m, Swiss worked through the numbers, it netted down to an investment nearer £12m, and it's secured against the stadium, not one penny that I'm aware of has been written off, apart from the notional interest that was being applied. Not sure I want a version of 'happy' if to achieve it one is required to deny reality. Deny reality, you have no facts so you hide behind a confident rhetoric. Pure Trumpism, luckily like him not many people take you seriously. Hey, it's you claiming Gorringe is doing a good job, I'm just asking you to demonstrate that's the case. What's unreasonable about that? It's Swiss who demonstrated that it wasn't £20m, it was nearer £12m, not me, and if I'm wrong about the charge on the stadium all you have to do is show me that it's been removed and I'll thank you for the new information, retract what's said above, thank Wael for using his own, unsecured funds, and then hopefully we could move on?
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Post by holmesgas1 on Apr 9, 2021 21:48:47 GMT
I agree with you and that is my concern also, theses losses cannot go on for infinitum. Hopefully he's seen the worst out with Covid, but until we get a stadium it will be tough to be sustainable. If we don't we may well have to cut our cloth to survive, because only a lucky few get away with surviving on player sales alone and keeping or improving their league position. Crewe and Peterborough or the only two I can think of straight away. This is where it gets even more challenging. Without the income generation of a new ground, cutting the cloth accordingly invarably means not being competitive on the field, as there is a going wage rate for decent ish players, and, with the limited income generation affordeed by the Mem, that leads to Conference South in our case.
So the only realistic model in our situation is owner funding. We are not alone, look across league 1, look across the city - same scenario but different league - just different amounts, (and listening to some of their fans at the moment, this forums love-in with Lansdown is certianly not recipricated).
The model of a previous generation that proved successful for us at the time (ie part of the time at Twerton) and that some seem to crave no longer exists as a viable option.
I think its worth noting though that until Covid, the plan to cut annual losses to a more manageable level was on course. Though clearly not sustainable long term still.
Fully agree and here's hoping we get to the promised land eventually . At the moment I will concentrate on the short term and support the team fully over the next 6 matches. Whether we are successful or not, next season will be exciting with fans back, and hopefully a team we can be proud off.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 9, 2021 21:53:26 GMT
I've already asked the question, do you have figures that demonstrate that Gorringe has generated additional retained profit? I can't find them in the accounts, and no, nothing is 'just obvious', with the mess he's made of a lot of things evidence is required before giving credit for a job well done. So, not willing to do a bit of work to back up your assumption that Rovers have had value for money from Wael? That's OK, but don't expect the claims to be taken too seriously if you won't invest a bit of effort to substantiate them. No, Wael did nor 'write off' £20m, Swiss worked through the numbers, it netted down to an investment nearer £12m, and it's secured against the stadium, not one penny that I'm aware of has been written off, apart from the notional interest that was being applied. Not sure I want a version of 'happy' if to achieve it one is required to deny reality. Deny reality, you have no facts so you hide behind a confident rhetoric. Pure Trumpism, luckily like him not many people take you seriously. The facts are very clear as shown by the Rovers league position and by the company accounts. We are witnessing a huge failure but are not prepared to come to terms with it let alone discuss ways of overcoming it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 21:55:00 GMT
Glad you cleared it up for us all.
So - you ignored the deadline, and missed out.
And blaming Gorringe for you error of ignoring the deadline.
Thanks for the explanation.
No, I did the exact same as every other year, Gorringe changed it and failed to communicate the change. Sorry for not making it clearer.
The season ticket deadline was brought foward from previous seasons, and it was made very clear that the deadline was the deadline. For seats, that deadline was April. The comminication made it clear that seats would only be held until that date. This was change from previous seasons. This will be evidenced from the communications at the time which no doubt are in available somewhere on line still. Maybe you should have a look.
2999 Season ticket holders will no doubt vouch for that. But feel free to blame Gorringe.
For info, I didnt agree with that earlier deadline, but I was aware of it as was all of my group, and we complied with said deadline so as not to lose seats.
Next seasons ticket news will be out soon I understand. You might want to make a note of that deadline. Good night.
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