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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 21:55:43 GMT
Is there a limit to number of season ti kets we sell? Does any club allocate 100% of home allowance as season tickets? There are some clubs who limit season ticket holder numbers, unfortunately Rovers aren't really in a position to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 22:01:16 GMT
Deny reality, you have no facts so you hide behind a confident rhetoric. Pure Trumpism, luckily like him not many people take you seriously. The facts are very clear as shown by the Rovers league position and by the company accounts. We are witnessing a huge failure but are not prepared to come to terms with it let alone discuss ways of overcoming it.Which club you talking about ?
Thee Posh failure, Charlton failure, Rochdale failure, Oxford failure, Bristol City1982 failure?
Or any of the dozens and dozens of others ?
or just the Rovers one?
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 22:10:03 GMT
I did try to speak to him, no reply, ended up exchanging emails with Hani. The deadline had passed, and that was it. The problem was, in previous years as long as the ticket was bought prior to the first even there was no issue, and there are always so many deadlines you can't be expected to work out which one is the real one.They have my email address, in fact, they have several, on different databases, so not being able to make contact and explain that the actual, real, final, we're serious this time, deadline is approaching was possible, but the master of disaster communication, Gorringe, couldn't work it out.
Glad you cleared it up for us all.
So - you ignored the deadline, and missed out.
And blaming Gorringe for you error of ignoring the deadline.
Thanks for the explanation.
Surely missing the deadline isn't the point? A club that is losing money hand over fist, has people wanting to pay money up front, for a product that, in this case, wasn't even available! That's staggering beyond belief. It is, quite literally, people offering the club money- in this case- for nothing, and the club turning it down because they wanted the money the day before. I don't agree with all of Bambi's criticisms of Gorringe & the club, in fact, I don't agree with him on many things at all, but I am really, really struggling, to see how people are missing the point he is making.
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Post by swissgas on Apr 9, 2021 22:10:16 GMT
The facts are very clear as shown by the Rovers league position and by the company accounts. We are witnessing a huge failure but are not prepared to come to terms with it let alone discuss ways of overcoming it.Which club you talking about ?
Thee Posh failure, Charlton failure, Rochdale failure, Oxford failure, Bristol City1982 failure?
Or any of the dozens and dozens of others ?
or just the Rovers one?
I'm talking about the Rovers failure because confronting difficult issues is a better policy than pretending, if we wish hard enough, that they will go away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 22:11:56 GMT
No, I did the exact same as every other year, Gorringe changed it and failed to communicate the change. Sorry for not making it clearer.
The season ticket deadline was brought foward from previous seasons, and it was made very clear that the deadline was the deadline. For seats, that deadline was April. The comminication made it clear that seats would only be held until that date. This was change from previous seasons. This will be evidenced from the communications at the time which no doubt are in available somewhere on line still. Maybe you should have a look.
2999 Season ticket holders will no doubt vouch for that. But feel free to blame Gorringe.
For info, I didnt agree with that earlier deadline, but I was aware of it as was all of my group, and we complied with said deadline so as not to lose seats.
Next seasons ticket news will be out soon I understand. You might want to make a note of that deadline. Good night.
All very nice, except the April deadline was extended, as deadlines had been in previous seasons. And I didn't want a seat at Rovers, my only reference to seats was the conversation with staff at the DSS Arena, and that's because the red dump is all seater. None of it matters anyway, the point sat behind it is this, Gorringe was stood behind the counter in a shop, goods were on the shelf, a customer was stood at the counter willing to pay the price on the ticket, there was a 'Do not use before' date on the item, but that date had not arrived, and Gorringe refused to sell it. You may like that as a business model, I don't. But he's not the main issue here, the main thing is the losses and where the club finds itself in terms of structure and on-field performance. Are those losses sustainable, and what I mean by that is, how long can Wael afford to keep putting in £3 ~4m P/A to keep things afloat as he's presently running them, and what is he going to do when the money put in exceeds the value of the stadium? That charge isn't there for fun.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 22:15:26 GMT
Glad you cleared it up for us all.
So - you ignored the deadline, and missed out.
And blaming Gorringe for you error of ignoring the deadline.
Thanks for the explanation.
Surely missing the deadline isn't the point? A club that is losing money hand over fist, has people wanting to pay money up front, for a product that, in this case, wasn't even available! That's staggering beyond belief. It is, quite literally, people offering the club money- in this case- for nothing, and the club turning it down because they wanted the money the day before. I don't agree with all of Bambi's criticisms of Gorringe & the club, in fact, I don't agree with him on many things at all, but I am really, really struggling, to see how people are missing the point he is making. We agree on Scottish football.
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 22:22:32 GMT
Surely missing the deadline isn't the point? A club that is losing money hand over fist, has people wanting to pay money up front, for a product that, in this case, wasn't even available! That's staggering beyond belief. It is, quite literally, people offering the club money- in this case- for nothing, and the club turning it down because they wanted the money the day before. I don't agree with all of Bambi's criticisms of Gorringe & the club, in fact, I don't agree with him on many things at all, but I am really, really struggling, to see how people are missing the point he is making. We agree on Scottish football. Oh yeah, I knew there was something!
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Post by Rex on Apr 9, 2021 22:26:08 GMT
The season ticket deadline was brought foward from previous seasons, and it was made very clear that the deadline was the deadline. For seats, that deadline was April. The comminication made it clear that seats would only be held until that date. This was change from previous seasons. This will be evidenced from the communications at the time which no doubt are in available somewhere on line still. Maybe you should have a look.
2999 Season ticket holders will no doubt vouch for that. But feel free to blame Gorringe.
For info, I didnt agree with that earlier deadline, but I was aware of it as was all of my group, and we complied with said deadline so as not to lose seats.
Next seasons ticket news will be out soon I understand. You might want to make a note of that deadline. Good night.
All very nice, except the April deadline was extended, as deadlines had been in previous seasons. And I didn't want a seat at Rovers, my only reference to seats was the conversation with staff at the DSS Arena, and that's because the red dump is all seater. None of it matters anyway, the point sat behind it is this, Gorringe was stood behind the counter in a shop, goods were on the shelf, a customer was stood at the counter willing to pay the price on the ticket, there was a 'Do not use before' date on the item, but that date had not arrived, and Gorringe refused to sell it.
You may like that as a business model, I don't.But he's not the main issue here, the main thing is the losses and where the club finds itself in terms of structure and on-field performance. Are those losses sustainable, and what I mean by that is, how long can Wael afford to keep putting in £3 ~4m P/A to keep things afloat as he's presently running them, and what is he going to do when the money put in exceeds the value of the stadium? That charge isn't there for fun. Surely no one can disagree with this? If you do, I honestly would love to hear your reasoning for doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 22:27:51 GMT
We agree on Scottish football. Oh yeah, I knew there was something! Tierney's crocked, knee this time, may be out for rest of season, but apparently they're looking to offload him for around £50m. He deserves to play in a team that's winning stuff.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 10, 2021 0:45:17 GMT
The season ticket deadline was brought foward from previous seasons, and it was made very clear that the deadline was the deadline. For seats, that deadline was April. The comminication made it clear that seats would only be held until that date. This was change from previous seasons. This will be evidenced from the communications at the time which no doubt are in available somewhere on line still. Maybe you should have a look.
2999 Season ticket holders will no doubt vouch for that. But feel free to blame Gorringe.
For info, I didnt agree with that earlier deadline, but I was aware of it as was all of my group, and we complied with said deadline so as not to lose seats.
Next seasons ticket news will be out soon I understand. You might want to make a note of that deadline. Good night.
All very nice, except the April deadline was extended, as deadlines had been in previous seasons. And I didn't want a seat at Rovers, my only reference to seats was the conversation with staff at the DSS Arena, and that's because the red dump is all seater. None of it matters anyway, the point sat behind it is this, Gorringe was stood behind the counter in a shop, goods were on the shelf, a customer was stood at the counter willing to pay the price on the ticket, there was a 'Do not use before' date on the item, but that date had not arrived, and Gorringe refused to sell it. You may like that as a business model, I don't. But he's not the main issue here, the main thing is the losses and where the club finds itself in terms of structure and on-field performance. Are those losses sustainable, and what I mean by that is, how long can Wael afford to keep putting in £3 ~4m P/A to keep things afloat as he's presently running them, and what is he going to do when the money put in exceeds the value of the stadium? That charge isn't there for fun. If we don’t talk about it, it doesn’t matter I guess, for the majority. Talk about blinkered
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Post by The Concept on Apr 10, 2021 8:15:06 GMT
A couple of years ago, when the season-ticket book changed to the season-ticket card, I'm sure there was an earlier deadline set.
I could understand the reasoning behind that, with wanting to make sure the new system was up and running, working properly, and to give time to get the cards made and posted, but if I recall it did seem a long gap between the deadline and the season starting.
Of course, they needn't have worried about the possibility of any problems with the card system ... ahem! :-)
But Rex is saying his problem was last year. Could this have been down to the pandemic? Did they stop issuing season-tickets at some point because of the uncertainty about whether spectators would be allowed to attend?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 8:27:20 GMT
A couple of years ago, when the season-ticket book changed to the season-ticket card, I'm sure there was an earlier deadline set. I could understand the reasoning behind that, with wanting to make sure the new system was up and running, working properly, and to give time to get the cards made and posted, but if I recall it did seem a long gap between the deadline and the season starting. Of course, they needn't have worried about the possibility of any problems with the card system ... ahem! :-) But Rex is saying his problem was last year. Could this have been down to the pandemic? Did they stop issuing season-tickets at some point because of the uncertainty about whether spectators would be allowed to attend? No it wasn't last year. When you install a new system you have controlled attended test events, unless you are Gorringe of course, then you have pandemonium outside of the ground as the system isn't working and you've totally failed to communicate to people that they can no longer pay at turnstiles. Ref getting a card made for those silly little boxes that are on the counters inside of the turnstiles, whilst it's a fair point that it may take a few days to get a name printed onto one of those plastic cards, it's the simplest thing in the world to print off a normal match day ticket for the first event and give that to the customer. Unless of course, altogether now, you are Gorringe. Bloke's a liability.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 10, 2021 13:20:54 GMT
A couple of years ago, when the season-ticket book changed to the season-ticket card, I'm sure there was an earlier deadline set. I could understand the reasoning behind that, with wanting to make sure the new system was up and running, working properly, and to give time to get the cards made and posted, but if I recall it did seem a long gap between the deadline and the season starting. Of course, they needn't have worried about the possibility of any problems with the card system ... ahem! :-) But Rex is saying his problem was last year. Could this have been down to the pandemic? Did they stop issuing season-tickets at some point because of the uncertainty about whether spectators would be allowed to attend? ........ it's the simplest thing in the world to print off a normal match day ticket for the first event and give that to the customer. Unless of course, altogether now, you are Gorringe. Bloke's a liability. In an era of smart phones, email and electronic reading cards, printing something off is awfully ragbag and amateurish. Many many many (especially youth/young adults) fans carry devices that can access email. Think of the problems with fraud that's been generated before, that's the real liability. TG is trying to move the club ahead in line with current technology, it should be encouraged, not berated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2021 13:36:15 GMT
........ it's the simplest thing in the world to print off a normal match day ticket for the first event and give that to the customer. Unless of course, altogether now, you are Gorringe. Bloke's a liability. In an era of smart phones, email and electronic reading cards, printing something off is awfully ragbag and amateurish.Many many many (especially youth/young adults) fans carry devices that can access email. Think of the problems with fraud that's been generated before, that's the real liability. TG is trying to move the club ahead in line with current technology, it should be encouraged, not berated. Couldn't agree more, but are Gorringe's little bits of plastic tack able to cope with scanning phones? I was just commenting on what could, and should have happened with existing club technology. I'll explain this via PM, certainly not on an open message board, I'm far from convinced about how secure the system is against fraud. Then you have the problem that as far as I'm aware, literally all those readers do is recognise a card, no downloadable data stored, so whatever money has been spent on that system has been spent unwisely. Looking at what Wael's prepared to waste I'm pretty sure he would have been OK with adding the extra to install a proper system.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 10, 2021 14:31:25 GMT
........ it's the simplest thing in the world to print off a normal match day ticket for the first event and give that to the customer. Unless of course, altogether now, you are Gorringe. Bloke's a liability. In an era of smart phones, email and electronic reading cards, printing something off is awfully ragbag and amateurish. Many many many (especially youth/young adults) fans carry devices that can access email. Think of the problems with fraud that's been generated before, that's the real liability. TG is trying to move the club ahead in line with current technology, it should be encouraged, not berated. It’s not stopped people handing over their cards, when not attending themselves
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 10, 2021 16:39:23 GMT
In an era of smart phones, email and electronic reading cards, printing something off is awfully ragbag and amateurish. Many many many (especially youth/young adults) fans carry devices that can access email. Think of the problems with fraud that's been generated before, that's the real liability. TG is trying to move the club ahead in line with current technology, it should be encouraged, not berated. It’s not stopped people handing over their cards, when not attending themselves Nothing will. It's a transferable commodity. But it has cut down other types of fraud including age exploitation..
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