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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 12:28:07 GMT
Who should we have appointed? Who else applied? Sorry to repeat myself but Widdrington should have been put in charge until the end of the season. Not hindsight, I said this before B***** was appointed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 12:29:34 GMT
Who should we have appointed? Exactly And on that note, now things have unexpectedly gone tits up and B***** hasn’t got the results they were certain he would get, all the people who banged the drum for B***** are now saying he can’t be judged on his performance with these players...so by that logic we didn’t need to appoint anyone did we? We could have stuck a crash test dummy in the dug out because the performance of the manager is immaterial when he takes over a poor squad with no transfer window, right? (Hard to see how a crash test dummy could have done worse than B***** though to be fair)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 12:32:28 GMT
Who should we have appointed? Who else applied? Sorry to repeat myself but Widdrington should have been put in charge until the end of the season. Not hindsight, I said this before B***** was appointed. So did I, it was the obvious choice. And if he didn’t want to do it then give him the boot because he’s the one who vociferously backed this rubbish and told us that there were enough goals in the team to keep us up. He should have been “invited” to prove it or GTFO. As it is he’s been allowed to skulk off upstairs and if we get relegated he’ll emerge from his ivory tower to tell us that it was all B*****’s fault.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 12:34:41 GMT
And on that note, now things have unexpectedly gone tits up and B***** hasn’t got the results they were certain he would get, all the people who banged the drum for B***** are now saying he can’t be judged on his performance with these players...so by that logic we didn’t need to appoint anyone did we? We could have stuck a crash test dummy in the dug out because the performance of the manager is immaterial when he takes over a poor squad with no transfer window, right? (Hard to see how a crash test dummy could have done worse than B***** though to be fair) Mmm mmm mmm mmm
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 12:43:11 GMT
Who else applied? Sorry to repeat myself but Widdrington should have been put in charge until the end of the season. Not hindsight, I said this before B***** was appointed. So did I, it was the obvious choice. And if he didn’t want to do it then give him the boot because he’s the one who vociferously backed this rubbish and told us that there were enough goals in the team to keep us up. He should have been “invited” to prove it or GTFO. As it is he’s been allowed to skulk off upstairs and if we get relegated he’ll emerge from his ivory tower to tell us that it was all B*****’s fault. Scenario following Tisdale sacking. Can these players put in more effort? NO Can any incoming manager change the squad? NO Do we have personnel within the club who know the players and have their respect? YES Should we appoint an outsider who will be in a no lose situation as he will be free to blame everything and everybody else if he fails? NO Should we instruct the person(s) within the club to proceed until the end of the season with the single aim of preserving our League 1 status? YES
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 12:54:46 GMT
So did I, it was the obvious choice. And if he didn’t want to do it then give him the boot because he’s the one who vociferously backed this rubbish and told us that there were enough goals in the team to keep us up. He should have been “invited” to prove it or GTFO. As it is he’s been allowed to skulk off upstairs and if we get relegated he’ll emerge from his ivory tower to tell us that it was all B*****’s fault. Scenario following Tisdale sacking. Can these players put in more effort? NO Can any incoming manager change the squad? NO Do we have personnel within the club who know the players and have their respect? YES Should we appoint an outsider who will be in a no lose situation as he will be free to blame everything and everybody else if he fails? NO Should we instruct the person(s) within the club to proceed until the end of the season with the single aim of preserving our League 1 status? YES It’s one of two things, maybe both: He didn’t want it (though I suspect by the tone of his post match interview his resolve was wavering it after he found how easy it was to beat Portsmouth by playing a basic AF game plan) Wael saw his chance to bring in an instagram worthy manager. Seriously, I am firmly of the belief that B*****’s notoriety played a key role as much as his credentials). I also believe that Wael bought into the myth that B***** would keep us up and Widdrington’s whispering in his ear that it was a good squad. So hiring B***** became a mere formality that guaranteed league one football. Cross the bridge of B*****’s court case when it happened. As it turned out, it’s gone tits up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 12:58:58 GMT
Scenario following Tisdale sacking. Can these players put in more effort? NO Can any incoming manager change the squad? NO Do we have personnel within the club who know the players and have their respect? YES Should we appoint an outsider who will be in a no lose situation as he will be free to blame everything and everybody else if he fails? NO Should we instruct the person(s) within the club to proceed until the end of the season with the single aim of preserving our League 1 status? YES It’s one of two things, maybe both: He didn’t want it (though I suspect by the tone of his post match interview his resolve was wavering it after he found how easy it was to beat Portsmouth by playing a basic AF game plan) Wael saw his chance to bring in an instagram worthy manager. Seriously, I am firmly of the belief that B*****’s notoriety played a key role as much as his credentials). I also believe that Wael bought into the myth that B***** would keep us up and Widdrington’s whispering in his ear that it was a good squad. So hiring B***** became a mere formality that guaranteed league one football. Cross the bridge of B*****’s court case when it happened. As it turned out, it’s gone tits up. If Widdrington refused to carry out a task which was in the best interest of the club then he should have been relieved of his duties. Nobody should be bigger than the club. There were other options within the club if he had refused.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:13:11 GMT
It’s one of two things, maybe both: He didn’t want it (though I suspect by the tone of his post match interview his resolve was wavering it after he found how easy it was to beat Portsmouth by playing a basic AF game plan) Wael saw his chance to bring in an instagram worthy manager. Seriously, I am firmly of the belief that B*****’s notoriety played a key role as much as his credentials). I also believe that Wael bought into the myth that B***** would keep us up and Widdrington’s whispering in his ear that it was a good squad. So hiring B***** became a mere formality that guaranteed league one football. Cross the bridge of B*****’s court case when it happened. As it turned out, it’s gone tits up. If Widdrington refused to carry out a task which was in the best interest of the club then he should have been relieved of his duties. Nobody should be bigger than the club. There were other options within the club if he had refused. I’m not sure there were...Mansell? Hargreaves? For me it was Widdrington either does it or leaves and if not look externally. But not at B*****. Be prepared to pay compo for Michael Duff or Michael Flynn. At Rovers we have historically always spent big on players but never put much money into the manager’s role. We’ve never, to my mind, ever paid compo for a manager and either promoted from within or gone for an out of work manager. Out of work managers have never worked for us and there is probably a reason for that. Once again, failure to change our habits results in piss poor outcomes.
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Post by chelt_gas on Mar 28, 2021 13:18:07 GMT
Phil Bater would have been better than B*****
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:19:16 GMT
If Widdrington refused to carry out a task which was in the best interest of the club then he should have been relieved of his duties. Nobody should be bigger than the club. There were other options within the club if he had refused. I’m not sure there were...Mansell? Hargreaves? For me it was Widdrington either does it or leaves and if not look externally. But not at B*****. Be prepared to pay compo for Michael Duff or Michael Flynn. At Rovers we have historically always spent big on players but never put much money into the manager’s role. We’ve never, to my mind, ever paid compo for a manager and either promoted from within or gone for an out of work manager. Out of work managers have never worked for us and there is probably a reason for that. Once again, failure to change our habits results in piss poor outcomes. Mesure and Maher would have been the next choice. Leave Mansell where he is. I wouldn't even consider Hargreaves.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:20:10 GMT
If Widdrington refused to carry out a task which was in the best interest of the club then he should have been relieved of his duties. Nobody should be bigger than the club. There were other options within the club if he had refused. I’m not sure there were...Mansell? Hargreaves? For me it was Widdrington either does it or leaves and if not look externally. But not at B*****. Be prepared to pay compo for Michael Duff or Michael Flynn. At Rovers we have historically always spent big on players but never put much money into the manager’s role. We’ve never, to my mind, ever paid compo for a manager and either promoted from within or gone for an out of work manager. Out of work managers have never worked for us and there is probably a reason for that. Once again, failure to change our habits results in piss poor outcomes. We paid compo for Ian Atkins.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:22:34 GMT
Phil Bater would have been better than B***** He’s won as many games as B***** iirc
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:23:46 GMT
I’m not sure there were...Mansell? Hargreaves? For me it was Widdrington either does it or leaves and if not look externally. But not at B*****. Be prepared to pay compo for Michael Duff or Michael Flynn. At Rovers we have historically always spent big on players but never put much money into the manager’s role. We’ve never, to my mind, ever paid compo for a manager and either promoted from within or gone for an out of work manager. Out of work managers have never worked for us and there is probably a reason for that. Once again, failure to change our habits results in piss poor outcomes. We paid compo for Ian Atkins. He was on gardening leave at the time though wasn’t he? Did we pay anything for Buckle? Iirc he had just lost the play off final with Torquay and was at the end of his contract
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:25:03 GMT
We paid compo for Ian Atkins. He was on gardening leave at the time though wasn’t he? Did we pay anything for Buckle? Iirc he had just lost the play off final with Torquay and was at the end of his contract He was only put on gardening leave when we announced that he had signed a contract to manage Bristol Rovers. He was still manager at Oxford at the time. I think you are right that we did pay a 6 figure fee for Buckle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:33:09 GMT
He was on gardening leave at the time though wasn’t he? Did we pay anything for Buckle? Iirc he had just lost the play off final with Torquay and was at the end of his contract He was only put on gardening leave when we announced that he had signed a contract to manage Bristol Rovers. He was still manager at Oxford at the time. I think you are right that we did pay a 6 figure fee for Buckle's tanning salon bills each month. Sounds about right.
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Post by harrybuckle on Mar 28, 2021 13:41:14 GMT
Joey publicly said Preston job not challenging enough and club has no history like the Gas.
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Post by basel on Mar 28, 2021 13:50:03 GMT
Joey publicly said Preston job not challenging enough and club has no history like the Gas. PNE have a great honours listing. FA Cup,League Champions etc. I assume you know this Harry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:51:08 GMT
Joey publicly said Preston job not challenging enough and club has no history like the Gas. Yes, one of Tom Finney’s biggest regrets is that he never played for us. So I’m told
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 13:58:06 GMT
Joey publicly said Preston job not challenging enough and club has no history like the Gas. It sounds about right that Joey wouldn’t be aware they were the first winners of the football league.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 28, 2021 17:40:10 GMT
It’s one of two things, maybe both: He didn’t want it (though I suspect by the tone of his post match interview his resolve was wavering it after he found how easy it was to beat Portsmouth by playing a basic AF game plan) Wael saw his chance to bring in an instagram worthy manager. Seriously, I am firmly of the belief that B*****’s notoriety played a key role as much as his credentials). I also believe that Wael bought into the myth that B***** would keep us up and Widdrington’s whispering in his ear that it was a good squad. So hiring B***** became a mere formality that guaranteed league one football. Cross the bridge of B*****’s court case when it happened. As it turned out, it’s gone tits up. If Widdrington refused to carry out a task which was in the best interest of the club then he should have been relieved of his duties. Nobody should be bigger than the club. There were other options within the club if he had refused. TW was employed as DoF, you can't just tell somebody to do a different role if they don't want to, if he had been relieved of his duties then that would be two managers and a DoF all on gardening leave! Given how intelligent B***** claims to be it's surprising he ever took on the task given that PT said we needed a magician, which probably was the case.
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