Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 20:15:01 GMT
He was dividing the fan base and a total tw@ but it was all worth it because he gets results at this level. Well??? Tisdale struggled and now Barton is finding it tough. Purely on a football side,I would say it's a poor squad and it would be a difficult job for any. Your dislike of Joey Barton because of the trouble he's been in is known.The message got over. There is still a fair point under it though- the naysayers were promised results. It was positioned as Barton or relegation, a binary choice. Looks like we’ve got all the bad bits with no real positives apart from us playing a bit better but that’s like telling someone with a terminal illness that at least their cough sounds better. If we go down with Barton (as seems inevitable) I have to ask “what was the point?”. I’ll be very surprised if Barton is even here next season, he won’t want to be in league 2 with a club in huge disarray and a president who is out of control and out of his depth. His body language in the post match interview was very telling today. He looks fed up, 4 games in. |
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 20:17:45 GMT
Not aimed at you in any way whatsoever, but anybody who takes Barton seriously needs their head reading. This is the clown who took to Twitter complaining, oh heck, I'll just copy what he said; But there's a tiny problem, the account name that presumably he created himself? @joey7barton Well read philosopher, intellectual giant. OK, if he says so. And this is a reflection on today's game, how? If you think that any post is inappropriate or in the wrong place just report it to the moderators. |
|
Rex
Predictions League
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 3,287 
|
Post by Rex on Mar 6, 2021 20:43:01 GMT
Don’t you want to watch the club’s recap of the laughter and jokes during Barton’s last few days in training? I wonder who’s fault it is today? The ref, the Hull playing style? The centre forward falling over? Ben Garner? Graham Coughlan? Dennis Rofe? I’ve no idea, I didn’t watch it, but I can’t wait to find out I don't think he made any excuses today, he pretty much told it as it was . Whatever anyone thinks of Joey Barton as a bloke, I think it's pretty clear he knows what he is talking about when it comes to what's happening on the pitch. |
|
Rex
Predictions League
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 3,287
|
Post by Rex on Mar 6, 2021 20:47:05 GMT
If it's any consolation I got banned from gaschat for winding up Somerset gas when I said he should support Yeovil. He sent me a personal message which was far from complimentary saying someone of my advancing years should not wind him up! Then he complained to their moderator. Fair trial I don't think so ..carrot crunchers annoy me Ive been banned as well. My offences were disagreeing with the prevailing Remainer view on the political pages, and then banned again as soon as they could because, apparently I used a non- PC word. What word I don't know because the bed wetters haven't bothered to tell me. The fact is they don't want to tolerate anyone with a different view. I can imagine they're mostly a bunch of spotty faced inadequates with a heavily-used w@nk sock tucked under the bed.Well if that was your level of debate..... |
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 21:03:25 GMT
Ive been banned as well. My offences were disagreeing with the prevailing Remainer view on the political pages, and then banned again as soon as they could because, apparently I used a non- PC word. What word I don't know because the bed wetters haven't bothered to tell me. The fact is they don't want to tolerate anyone with a different view. I can imagine they're mostly a bunch of spotty faced inadequates with a heavily-used w@nk sock tucked under the bed.Well if that was your level of debate..... If he had won 3 out of 4, or if the team goes on a winning streak it'll be all over every thread, the difference is I'll be happy that some people are getting enjoyment from Rovers. I'll still be disgusted by what my club has done, but won't have a problem with people celebrating victories and saying that all that matters to them is what happens on the pitch. I'll probably say that there's more to it than that for me, but I certainly wouldn't ever dream of suggesting that if anybody put forward a differing point of view they should go and follow 1982 instead, that's not even an argument. |
|
|
|
Post by mangogas15 on Mar 6, 2021 21:12:57 GMT
Not a game we should have got anything from on paper, form was a different story as they had only won 1 of their last 4 home games and that was Tuesday's win v Rochdale.
Today's game followed a similar pattern by looks of it, the frustrating thing is that we competed for 90 minutes and shot ourselves in the foot twice. The 2nd goal is arguably worse than the first for the basics of defending.
Barton has now turned in the post match conference and is not going to suffer fools.
I expect changes on Tuesday and the cameo from Walker was positive. Hanlan has to be taken out, he is not holding the ball up or being strong enough. 1 goal in 4 games under the new manager is bad enough, 1 goal in 15 is even worse.
We didn't miss McCormick especially, when I say that I mean we wouldn't have won with him in the side, but his return will be a bonus.
We owe Stanley one and I am certainly hoping for 4 pts at least from the next 2 home games. I was still encouraged by what I saw today, but it was an opportunity missed to get a point I feel.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Concept on Mar 6, 2021 22:13:48 GMT
Not a game we should have got anything from on paper, form was a different story as they had only won 1 of their last 4 home games and that was Tuesday's win v Rochdale. Today's game followed a similar pattern by looks of it, the frustrating thing is that we competed for 90 minutes and shot ourselves in the foot twice. The 2nd goal is arguably worse than the first for the basics of defending. Barton has now turned in the post match conference and is not going to suffer fools. I expect changes on Tuesday and the cameo from Walker was positive. Hanlan has to be taken out, he is not holding the ball up or being strong enough. 1 goal in 4 games under the new manager is bad enough, 1 goal in 15 is even worse. We didn't miss McCormick especially, when I say that I mean we wouldn't have won with him in the side, but his return will be a bonus. We owe Stanley one and I am certainly hoping for 4 pts at least from the next 2 home games. I was still encouraged by what I saw today, but it was an opportunity missed to get a point I feel. The poor chap is probably shattered. He's had to plough a lone furrow up front for most of the year, and been running himself into the ground - you can't fault his effort. Not helped by both Ayunga and Daly being out injured for long periods. BG's fault at the start of the season in insisting he only needed 3 strikers and would play with one up front. TW's fault since the new year in failing to bring in another striker in the transfer period. |
|
|
|
Post by The Concept on Mar 6, 2021 22:18:48 GMT
That Barton interview mind - urrgghh! terrible!! ... he said 'stat-us', rather than 'stay-tus'.
|
|
bluetornados
Predictions League
Joined: June 2014
Posts: 15,738
|
Post by bluetornados on Mar 6, 2021 22:21:52 GMT
Now the lowest scoring team in the division.Tells its own story and underlines the absurdity of not loaning someone in the window. I said on here at the start of January why are we not finding players who are out of contract, or in the National League, i found 10 players on a out of contract site. These players with bags of experience with no club are there for a reason i know (to old, not good enough etc), but could come in and do an Andy Rammell, P14, G6. Also a lot of players in non league would surely like to move up 2 leagues and try their luck with us, there are many hidden gems out there. |
|
|
|
Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 6, 2021 22:54:14 GMT
Too much emphasis on the goals we conceded today and whose fault for my liking.
If someone had 9 very good games for you, including man of match performance but in the tenth a poor game with a bad mistake, do you then single them out for criticism and drop them? On this basis, if Leahy doesn’t start both games this week I would consider it a mistake.
But if you want authority through either respect or fear, once you say you are going to do something you have to go through with it.
The main problem is we don’t look like scoring. Half chances at best each game. I think statistically goals come from from crosses, as season has gone on I think number and quality of crossing has dropped. Williams looks good acquisition, good all round player, yet I am frustrated Hare isn’t getting game time to learn and develop, plenty to learn defensively, but his crossing is very good, you would get more assists and goals from him than Williams.
My retain list for next season, regardless which division, shrinks all the time.
|
|
|
|
Post by emperorsuperbus on Mar 6, 2021 23:03:00 GMT
That Barton interview mind - urrgghh! terrible!! ... he said 'stat-us', rather than 'stay-tus'. you haven’t been paying attention. When Joey worked in France Joey acquired a strong French accent. Joey can’t be blamed for that. |
|
|
|
Post by mangogas15 on Mar 6, 2021 23:16:56 GMT
Not a game we should have got anything from on paper, form was a different story as they had only won 1 of their last 4 home games and that was Tuesday's win v Rochdale. Today's game followed a similar pattern by looks of it, the frustrating thing is that we competed for 90 minutes and shot ourselves in the foot twice. The 2nd goal is arguably worse than the first for the basics of defending. Barton has now turned in the post match conference and is not going to suffer fools. I expect changes on Tuesday and the cameo from Walker was positive. Hanlan has to be taken out, he is not holding the ball up or being strong enough. 1 goal in 4 games under the new manager is bad enough, 1 goal in 15 is even worse. We didn't miss McCormick especially, when I say that I mean we wouldn't have won with him in the side, but his return will be a bonus. We owe Stanley one and I am certainly hoping for 4 pts at least from the next 2 home games. I was still encouraged by what I saw today, but it was an opportunity missed to get a point I feel. The poor chap is probably shattered. He's had to plough a lone furrow up front for most of the year, and been running himself into the ground - you can't fault his effort. Not helped by both Ayunga and Daly being out injured for long periods. BG's fault at the start of the season in insisting he only needed 3 strikers and would play with one up front. TW's fault since the new year in failing to bring in another striker in the transfer period. No i blame Tisdale for a lot of it, I still say we would have more points had Garner stayed, but ultimately the lack of a striker is down to Garner. Tisdale however should have had one signed on Jan 1st. |
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 23:20:02 GMT
The poor chap is probably shattered. He's had to plough a lone furrow up front for most of the year, and been running himself into the ground - you can't fault his effort. Not helped by both Ayunga and Daly being out injured for long periods. BG's fault at the start of the season in insisting he only needed 3 strikers and would play with one up front. TW's fault since the new year in failing to bring in another striker in the transfer period. No i blame Tisdale for a lot of it, I still say we would have more points had Garner stayed, but ultimately the lack of a striker is down to Garner. Tisdale however should have had one signed on Jan 1st. Do you think that he might have been prevented from doing so hence his comments post match about the quality of strikers? Easy to blame just Tisdale when Garner, Tisdale and now Barton have all failed to win enough games. There appears to be a common denominator within the club. |
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 23:54:18 GMT
The poor chap is probably shattered. He's had to plough a lone furrow up front for most of the year, and been running himself into the ground - you can't fault his effort. Not helped by both Ayunga and Daly being out injured for long periods. BG's fault at the start of the season in insisting he only needed 3 strikers and would play with one up front. TW's fault since the new year in failing to bring in another striker in the transfer period. No i blame Tisdale for a lot of it, I still say we would have more points had Garner stayed, but ultimately the lack of a striker is down to Garner. Tisdale however should have had one signed on Jan 1st. But that’s not Tisdale’s job. His job is to ask Widdrington for what he wants. We can all speculate as to how helpful Widdrington was in that endeavour. Especially given Widdrington’s disparaging of Tisdale after he left. On a related note as much as I’m not a fan of Barton I’ll give him his due for saying that the previous manager’s performance were not for him to speculate on. That’s the same approach Widdrington should have taken with regards to Tisdale. Keep it in house, professional and classy. Widdrington quite clearly had no love for Tisdale and that’s tricky when the guy is Tisdale’s go-between for signing players. |
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 0:02:20 GMT
No i blame Tisdale for a lot of it, I still say we would have more points had Garner stayed, but ultimately the lack of a striker is down to Garner. Tisdale however should have had one signed on Jan 1st. But that’s not Tisdale’s job. His job is to ask Widdrington for what he wants. We can all speculate as to how helpful Widdrington was in that endeavour. Especially given Widdrington’s disparaging of Tisdale after he left. On a related note as much as I’m not a fan of Barton I’ll give him his due for saying that the previous manager’s performance were not for him to speculate on. That’s the same approach Widdrington should have taken with regards to Tisdale. Keep it in house, professional and classy. Widdrington quite clearly had no love for Tisdale and that’s tricky when the guy is Tisdale’s go-between for signing players. What is it Swiss keeps saying about managing your department managers? |
|
|
|
Post by mangogas15 on Mar 7, 2021 8:44:02 GMT
No i blame Tisdale for a lot of it, I still say we would have more points had Garner stayed, but ultimately the lack of a striker is down to Garner. Tisdale however should have had one signed on Jan 1st. But that’s not Tisdale’s job. His job is to ask Widdrington for what he wants. We can all speculate as to how helpful Widdrington was in that endeavour. Especially given Widdrington’s disparaging of Tisdale after he left. On a related note as much as I’m not a fan of Barton I’ll give him his due for saying that the previous manager’s performance were not for him to speculate on. That’s the same approach Widdrington should have taken with regards to Tisdale. Keep it in house, professional and classy. Widdrington quite clearly had no love for Tisdale and that’s tricky when the guy is Tisdale’s go-between for signing players. Barton will have his say when the time comes. I agree it was the right things to say at that point. Back to my point, I do blame Tisdale because he went into the job knowing the set up and appeared to have no plan b, we didn't particularly play better under him, there was no spring, I wss happy with the performances against Blackpool, Plymouth and Wimbledon, but the only time I have wanted my £10 back this season was on his watch, we can speculate as to the process of asking TW so where was the list of 20 strikers in case he didn't get Stockley, where was the intent, he dropped Harries immediately, I think under Garner we would have had more points by the time Barton came in. The striker issue was criminal. |
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 9:31:37 GMT
No i blame Tisdale for a lot of it, I still say we would have more points had Garner stayed, but ultimately the lack of a striker is down to Garner. Tisdale however should have had one signed on Jan 1st. But that’s not Tisdale’s job. His job is to ask Widdrington for what he wants. We can all speculate as to how helpful Widdrington was in that endeavour. Especially given Widdrington’s disparaging of Tisdale after he left. On a related note as much as I’m not a fan of Barton I’ll give him his due for saying that the previous manager’s performance were not for him to speculate on. That’s the same approach Widdrington should have taken with regards to Tisdale. Keep it in house, professional and classy. Widdrington quite clearly had no love for Tisdale and that’s tricky when the guy is Tisdale’s go-between for signing players. I agree Barton spoke well about previous managers when the easy but amateur thing to do would be to deflect responsibility like Tommy did. Any organisation where there’s a blame culture is usually dysfunctional and failing and the evidence from Tommy’s short spell in charge says we have a blame culture. |
|
harrybuckle
Always look on the bright side
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5,565
|
Post by harrybuckle on Mar 7, 2021 9:51:26 GMT
Of our remaining games can only see wins over Swindon and Wimbledon the others are unrealistic wins may be a draw at Northampton.
Defence a problem
Attack a major problem
Midfield a hopeless problem
Major team restructuring required. Off load at least 75 per cent of squad.
|
|
|
|
Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 7, 2021 10:18:49 GMT
Too much emphasis on the goals we conceded today and whose fault for my liking. If someone had 9 very good games for you, including man of match performance but in the tenth a poor game with a bad mistake, do you then single them out for criticism and drop them? On this basis, if Leahy doesn’t start both games this week I would consider it a mistake. But if you want authority through either respect or fear, once you say you are going to do something you have to go through with it. The main problem is we don’t look like scoring. Half chances at best each game. I think statistically goals come from from crosses, as season has gone on I think number and quality of crossing has dropped. Williams looks good acquisition, good all round player, yet I am frustrated Hare isn’t getting game time to learn and develop, plenty to learn defensively, but his crossing is very good, you would get more assists and goals from him than Williams. My retain list for next season, regardless which division, shrinks all the time. Excellent point on Hare, give Williams a rest as his form has dipped recently. Excellent point on not looking like we score because of half chances....if you compare stats from Hull match we actually had more scoring chances and possession in first half...!? |
|
Cheshiregas
Global Moderator
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 2,978
|
Post by Cheshiregas on Mar 7, 2021 10:46:56 GMT
I thought we played quite well. Leahy should have put the ball out and they wouldn't have scored, basic, basic error, and their second was inevitable because we were pressing for an equaliser and they scored on the break. It's a fact that when you're struggling the luck goes against you. If Hull do go up. On that showing and with those players they'll be straight back down. I agree with most of this but don't believe we played well. We played some neat tippy tappy football at times together with a bit of hoofball which with a Paul Randall type character to run on to might have worked. But then gave hospital passes to players with Hull players up their backs whose faster tempo meant they got to the ball first. I lost count of the number of balls given away. And Leahy's was a school boy error against a Hull side who raised their speed because they wanted to win the game. I thought Westbrooke had some great close control skills but his passing was wayward and I don't think Day fills the defence with confidence. Skill wise Hull weren't levels above us, they just wanted it more. |
|
