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Post by eppinggas on Oct 21, 2021 21:36:52 GMT
Sadly, you might be right PHE. "If" Barton is found guilty and Wael al-Qadi doesn't sack him - then that's me done with Rovers until Wael relinquishes control. I honestly don't care how long that is. I could not associate myself with a Club that has a liar as on owner and a manager who is a convicted violent criminal. My gross spend on Bristol Rovers FC since February 22nd 2021 - £0.00. Each to their own though, free country and all that. I would also do the same, and I would be wasting a season ticket if that happened. I can’t see him being found guilty though. Remember that the court cases could easily either be delayed, or adjourned. The legal system is not known for being speedy. Yup, either case could be delayed. Prolonging the agony. The chances of him escaping with two "not guilty charges for violence" are around 6-7%%. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, 0.25X2). With regard to the second charge: www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/joey-barton-london-premier-league-barton-cheshire-b947655.html"The court heard Barton allegedly grabbed her by the throat and kicked her in the head during an altercation outside the property, where they had been with two friends". "She was also left with a bloody nose following the incident". "The court heard Mrs Barton then called the police and asked for her husband to be removed from the property". Apparently Ms Barton is not pressing charges. "A case management hearing has been set for November 17". Not even sure what a case management hearing is... but it's another date in the diary for long suffering Gasheads. Without testimony from one (or both) of the " two friends" in the latter case - surely there is no case to answer and Barton walks free from the 2nd charge. Or there is testimony.
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Post by Angas on Oct 22, 2021 9:43:55 GMT
Plea and case management hearings at the Crown Court At a plea and case management hearing in the Crown Court, the defendant will be asked to enter their plea to the charges put to him or her. If the defendant pleads guilty, the judge will proceed to sentencing at the next possible opportunity – most likely adjourning the case. If the defendant pleads not guilty, both the prosecution and defence counsel will prepare their evidence for a full trial. www.inbrief.co.uk/court-proceedings/court-case/
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Post by oldie on Oct 22, 2021 10:24:01 GMT
I would also do the same, and I would be wasting a season ticket if that happened. I can’t see him being found guilty though. Remember that the court cases could easily either be delayed, or adjourned. The legal system is not known for being speedy. Yup, either case could be delayed. Prolonging the agony. The chances of him escaping with two "not guilty charges for violence" are around 6-7%%. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, 0.25X2). With regard to the second charge: www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/joey-barton-london-premier-league-barton-cheshire-b947655.html"The court heard Barton allegedly grabbed her by the throat and kicked her in the head during an altercation outside the property, where they had been with two friends". "She was also left with a bloody nose following the incident". "The court heard Mrs Barton then called the police and asked for her husband to be removed from the property". Apparently Ms Barton is not pressing charges. "A case management hearing has been set for November 17". Not even sure what a case management hearing is... but it's another date in the diary for long suffering Gasheads. Without testimony from one (or both) of the " two friends" in the latter case - surely there is no case to answer and Barton walks free from the 2nd charge. Or there is testimony. Or the police body cams were on which will show the injury. To then deny it had happened would be perjury would it not?
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Post by sethstarkadder on Oct 22, 2021 10:36:02 GMT
Plea and case management hearings at the Crown Court At a plea and case management hearing in the Crown Court, the defendant will be asked to enter their plea to the charges put to him or her. If the defendant pleads guilty, the judge will proceed to sentencing at the next possible opportunity – most likely adjourning the case. If the defendant pleads not guilty, both the prosecution and defence counsel will prepare their evidence for a full trial. www.inbrief.co.uk/court-proceedings/court-case/He pleads ‘not guilty’, trial is then scheduled for January 2023, and we’re stuck with him because no court has recently declared him guilty of violence and we don’t have the standards and morals to see smell and reject an unacceptable character, based on his track record and ongoing conduct, without a court ruling. But that was the case in February, was highlighted in the summer, and nothing has changed since.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 10:49:57 GMT
Yup, either case could be delayed. Prolonging the agony. The chances of him escaping with two "not guilty charges for violence" are around 6-7%%. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, 0.25X2). With regard to the second charge: www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/joey-barton-london-premier-league-barton-cheshire-b947655.html"The court heard Barton allegedly grabbed her by the throat and kicked her in the head during an altercation outside the property, where they had been with two friends". "She was also left with a bloody nose following the incident". "The court heard Mrs Barton then called the police and asked for her husband to be removed from the property". Apparently Ms Barton is not pressing charges. "A case management hearing has been set for November 17". Not even sure what a case management hearing is... but it's another date in the diary for long suffering Gasheads. Without testimony from one (or both) of the " two friends" in the latter case - surely there is no case to answer and Barton walks free from the 2nd charge. Or there is testimony. Or the police body cams were on which will show the injury. To then deny it had happened would be perjury would it not? What a stupid thing to say. So everybody who pleads innocent and then has evidence presented which demonstrates their guilt is then hit with a charge of perjury. In fact, I'll retract stupid, it's idiotic.
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Post by oldie on Oct 22, 2021 11:34:53 GMT
Or the police body cams were on which will show the injury. To then deny it had happened would be perjury would it not? What a stupid thing to say. So everybody who pleads innocent and then has evidence presented which demonstrates their guilt is then hit with a charge of perjury. In fact, I'll retract stupid, it's idiotic. I presume you didn't understand I was referring to a witness, including his wife.
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Post by Angas on Oct 22, 2021 12:03:19 GMT
Yup, either case could be delayed. Prolonging the agony. The chances of him escaping with two "not guilty charges for violence" are around 6-7%%. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, 0.25X2). With regard to the second charge: www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/joey-barton-london-premier-league-barton-cheshire-b947655.html"The court heard Barton allegedly grabbed her by the throat and kicked her in the head during an altercation outside the property, where they had been with two friends". "She was also left with a bloody nose following the incident". "The court heard Mrs Barton then called the police and asked for her husband to be removed from the property". Apparently Ms Barton is not pressing charges. "A case management hearing has been set for November 17". Not even sure what a case management hearing is... but it's another date in the diary for long suffering Gasheads. Without testimony from one (or both) of the " two friends" in the latter case - surely there is no case to answer and Barton walks free from the 2nd charge. Or there is testimony. Or the police body cams were on which will show the injury. To then deny it had happened would be perjury would it not? She slipped and fell, Your Honour. Due to over consumption of alcohol, no doubt. The similarity to Daniel Stendl's injury is purely coincidental.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Oct 22, 2021 12:03:52 GMT
If his wife is on record as having called the police then she can't retract it, surely?
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Post by Angas on Oct 22, 2021 12:09:33 GMT
The credibility of an intoxicated person will be thrown into doubt by any half decent lawyer. Also depends what was said in the phone call - media reports only say she wanted the police to remove him from the premises.
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Post by a more piratey game on Oct 22, 2021 12:12:41 GMT
If his wife is on record as having called the police then she can't retract it, surely? From what I think I've learned on here, the police are choosing to prosecute based on the phone call recording, and what they saw. Maybe what witnesses might say too. There is no plaintiff though - hence the earlier use of the unfortunate if legally correct term 'victimless crime' Which might all be nonsense, but its what I think I've seen on here
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Post by Angas on Oct 22, 2021 12:20:32 GMT
Victimless Prosecution, I believe is the correct term. ie a prosecution where no witnesses to the event are prepared to give evidence. Long time since it was discussed, but I think that's right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 12:34:52 GMT
What a stupid thing to say. So everybody who pleads innocent and then has evidence presented which demonstrates their guilt is then hit with a charge of perjury. In fact, I'll retract stupid, it's idiotic. I presume you didn't understand I was referring to a witness, including his wife. And away we go with your usual nonsense. Who has suggested that she's changing her story? Nobody. Do you need someone to explain the difference between perjury and simply choosing not to press charges or not assisting with enquiries. But of course, as always, you are right. Now, you owe me multiple apologies. Let's start with the insults you lambasted me with when I demonstrated that you were incorrect about which Police officers held what responsibilities in relation to searches relating to modern slavery. Care to admit that you were wrong and apologise for your conduct during that conversation?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 12:44:53 GMT
I presume you didn't understand I was referring to a witness, including his wife. And away we go with your usual nonsense. Who has suggested that she's changing her story? Nobody. Do you need someone to explain the difference between perjury and simply choosing not to press charges or not assisting with enquiries. But of course, as always, you are right. Now, you owe me multiple apologies. Let's start with the insults you lambasted me with when I demonstrated that you were incorrect about which Police officers held what responsibilities in relation to searches relating to modern slavery. Care to admit that you were wrong and apologise for your conduct during that conversation? Leave it out Duke. Good to see Oldie back posting so let's wipe the slate clean or take it to PM.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 12:52:27 GMT
And away we go with your usual nonsense. Who has suggested that she's changing her story? Nobody. Do you need someone to explain the difference between perjury and simply choosing not to press charges or not assisting with enquiries. But of course, as always, you are right. Now, you owe me multiple apologies. Let's start with the insults you lambasted me with when I demonstrated that you were incorrect about which Police officers held what responsibilities in relation to searches relating to modern slavery. Care to admit that you were wrong and apologise for your conduct during that conversation? Leave it out Duke. Good to see Oldie back posting so let's wipe the slate clean or take it to PM. You didn't see the thread, it was pretty unpleasant stuff from his side. He's a really unpleasant character. Best avoided in my experience. It won't be long before he starts again with his swearing and nastiness. Who needs it? And the thing is, I've attempted to 'wipe the slate clean' multiple times with him, suggested to him no more name calling, no more histrionics or ad hominems, he usually lasts about 2 days and is straight back in to the personal stuff. No time for him whatsoever. This place has been better without him.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 22, 2021 14:00:32 GMT
Victimless Prosecution, I believe is the correct term. ie a prosecution where no witnesses to the event are prepared to give evidence. Long time since it was discussed, but I think that's right. Here is what google search comes up with: What is “victimless prosecution”? A “victimless prosecution” is one where no evidence is directly adduced from the complainant. This is only likely to take place where a victim is a) unwilling to give evidence, and b) it is in the public interest to continue with the prosecution without the victim. Given the brief phone call from Ms Barton, and all the police to go on are the injuries to Ms Barton - there can be no chance of a prosecution without a credible witness IMHO. However we know one (or both) of the two friends must have provided the following: "The court heard Barton allegedly grabbed her by the throat and kicked her in the head during an altercation outside the property, where they had been with two friends". One would imagine the two friends are no longer BFF with the Bartons. (At the risk of repeating myself - I would never want to see an innocent man found guilty. I just want to see justice done).
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 22, 2021 14:01:47 GMT
And away we go with your usual nonsense. Who has suggested that she's changing her story? Nobody. Do you need someone to explain the difference between perjury and simply choosing not to press charges or not assisting with enquiries. But of course, as always, you are right. Now, you owe me multiple apologies. Let's start with the insults you lambasted me with when I demonstrated that you were incorrect about which Police officers held what responsibilities in relation to searches relating to modern slavery. Care to admit that you were wrong and apologise for your conduct during that conversation? Leave it out Duke. Good to see Oldie back posting so let's wipe the slate clean or take it to PM. 100% agree. You are better than that TTWD.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 22, 2021 14:10:04 GMT
Oldie git,I forgive you.Walk freely amongst us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 16:04:40 GMT
Leave it out Duke. Good to see Oldie back posting so let's wipe the slate clean or take it to PM. 100% agree. You are better than that TTWD. You didn't see the content of the exchanges, he's a very unpleasant person. Best avoided. Next he'll say something along the lines of people should judge who is reasonable based on what's been written here today, that would be fine if it didn't totally ignore his previous conduct. Life's too short for people as plain nasty as him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 16:09:31 GMT
Oldie git,I forgive you.Walk freely amongst us. Vicarious forgiveness. That's worse than worthless. Unless you've been on the receiving end as well?
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Post by baselswh on Oct 22, 2021 17:22:16 GMT
Oldie git,I forgive you.Walk freely amongst us. Vicarious forgiveness. That's worse than worthless. Unless you've been on the receiving end as well? Does "vicarious " actually make sense that way?
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