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Post by warehamgas on Mar 8, 2021 9:56:44 GMT
And there it is, polarisation, the other forum is not “entirely pro-Barton”, I still post there, so does Axe (if he’s the same one). And we’re not pro-Barton! Yet the impression is given that it is. There’s plenty over there who are not pro-Barton but perhaps they just have a different viewpoint and and don’t see it in the same way that those who are anti-JB. And of course you’re right, there’s plenty of hypocrisy about at the moment but there always was and will be in the future. I’m afraid football is full of it and always has been. UTG! Sort of...You’re fairly neutral iirc, you support the club not Barton, however axegas is against the club’s association with Barton and from what I see he is the most regular posting form user who does not want Barton at the club. I’ve noticed three or four others who don’t post much who feel similar but the overwhelming number of regular posters seem to be entirely behind Barton which gives the effect of the forum as a whole being massively in favour. If you get the chance go and have a read of the Barton thread in General sport chat because you’ll see a number of posters who are banging the drum for him now were calling him all sorts back when he was arrested for the altercation with Stendel- how easily hearts and minds change eh! 😂 Edit to add- just to say that that isn’t a criticism of Gaschat, if everyone is behind the manager that’s fine, I just notice that they seem quite sharp with axegas and posting anti-Barton sentiment is not particularly tolerated which is why I deleted the account I had on there. You just can’t have the sort of discussion over there that we’ve all had on here where we fiercely debate the topic but ultimately respect each other’s views. Only my opinion but there doesn’t seem to be much respect at all for Rovers fans who find Barton unacceptable on that forum. See the use of terms like “snowflake” and “panty-wetter” to refer to them. There’s absolutely no need of that aimed at fellow Rovers fans and it highlights the intellectual short comings of that forum compared this one. No, I’m not sure that I am neutral but I accept that I can’t do much about the appointment, or any come to that, and I don’t see why I should give up my long-standing support of my football club because the board make a wrong decision. That’s too similar to taking my football away if you don’t let me win the game when I was younger. Thanks for pointing me in the direction of general chat!! No thanks I’ve got some paint I’d rather watch dry! As you say had he not been here most would be calling for him to be jailed after the Stendel incident, which has yet to be proved. Of course minds change, these are football fans who work to a different type of morality than real life, for some BRFC must be good, other clubs bad. I hope I’ll be still here when JB is managing someone else. Dont really disagree with most of what you said wm but to characterise gaschat as pro-Barton seems to me part of the polarisation that you highlighted. Yes, you don’t get the depth of conversation (if that’s the right expression) on there that you can on here but to be honest I think this appointment has galvanised this place and brought out a lot more conversation than we had been having. I don’t know if that’s good or bad! As for respect, you may be right but there are some on here, articulate and discriminating posters who can come over as condescending and rude if you have a different opinion and we all deal with that in our own way. And yes, using those perjoritive terms that you’ve highlighted doesn’t help and is unnecessary. But I’m afraid forums do that, back to polarisation again.😉 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 8, 2021 10:14:05 GMT
And there it is, polarisation, the other forum is not “entirely pro-Barton”, I still post there, so does Axe (if he’s the same one). And we’re not pro-Barton! Yet the impression is given that it is. There’s plenty over there who are not pro-Barton but perhaps they just have a different viewpoint and and don’t see it in the same way that those who are anti-JB. And of course you’re right, there’s plenty of hypocrisy about at the moment but there always was and will be in the future. I’m afraid football is full of it and always has been. UTG! Not sure how many times I've said this, but I don't think that anybody is 'anti Joey Barton'. I think that everybody wants him to get his life back on track and to be successful in everything he does, to enjoy great health and for that to extend to his family and friends. The issue is the reputational harm having him at our club has done. It's dragged us into the gutter. I’m sure you’re correct about wishing him well in regards to getting his life back on track but I’m afraid you’re splitting hairs if you think than nobody is ‘anti-Joey Barton’ on this or the other forum. Plenty of evidence to show that sentiment. And I suspect you and I are part of it. It’s difficult to support the view you don’t want him and his reputation dragging us into the gutter and then denying that by having that opinion you’re “anti-Joey Barton”. Perhaps it’s “we're anti-Joey Barton being Bristol Rovers manager”. But tbh that’s a bit of a mouthful! And in the end I think you and I probably agree although we are probably dealing with the issue differently. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 10:33:22 GMT
Not sure how many times I've said this, but I don't think that anybody is 'anti Joey Barton'. I think that everybody wants him to get his life back on track and to be successful in everything he does, to enjoy great health and for that to extend to his family and friends. The issue is the reputational harm having him at our club has done. It's dragged us into the gutter. I’m sure you’re correct about wishing him well in regards to getting his life back on track but I’m afraid you’re splitting hairs if you think than nobody is ‘anti-Joey Barton’ on this or the other forum. Plenty of evidence to show that sentiment. And I suspect you and I are part of it. It’s difficult to support the view you don’t want him and his reputation dragging us into the gutter and then denying that by having that opinion you’re “anti-Joey Barton”. Perhaps it’s “we're anti-Joey Barton being Bristol Rovers manager”. But tbh that’s a bit of a mouthful! And in the end I think you and I probably agree although we are probably dealing with the issue differently. UTG! I see a distinction between being against him on a personal level and opposing, in the strongest possible terms, the harm having him here has done. Whilst looking at lists of his criminal behaviour, there are also lists of things he's done which are just plain strange, if this were a witch hunt against him on a personal level I would be referencing those as well. Just one example, do you remember the truly weird interview that Steve McClaren gave in Holland where he spoke entirely in English but with a comedy Dutch accent? Joey did the same thing in France, it was like Bread meets 'Allo 'Allo. it's was more than odd behaviour. Looking at the bigger picture. Bringing him here speaks to the judgement of those running our club and maybe helps us understand why even before the pandemic hit we were losing ITRO £3,000,000 a year. I have no idea what's happening on the other forum, sorry.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 8, 2021 11:01:20 GMT
Following on and replying to Thinners Whiters Dukers..... "But I shouldn't think that having him messing around on the pitch quoting stuff from some silly book would lead to Rovers being associated in the national press with someone who has multiple instances of violence associated with him in recent years" That's exactly what has happened! Exactly! We have been on national media, not mentioning a book....? The point is, at the time you said and did nothing. As did everyone else (myself included). There's nothing, I mean nothing with an outcry to DJ past offences being brought to the table in this regard. Both then or now. No non attending of matches, no boycott where he's been prevalent. No moral outcry. It's not an identical comparison, but both situations hold moral and violent issues.... I'm still struggling to wonder why one is more wrong than the other? There is a rehabilitation order act 1974, I'm not amazing with it but it's about orders and spent orders. As for supervising etc, I defer to that order. I understand the feelings behind the posts of anti JAB, but there's an inconsistency in regards to the policy history of employment/association within the club. Surely you can see this, even though you may draw your line in a different place? Perhaps one has acknowledged his problem, while the other hasn't Perhaps one has addressed his problem, while the other hasn't. Perhaps one has sought redemption, while the other hasn't. Perhaps one has carried out work in the community to help prevent others falling for the errors of his past ways, while the other hasn't. Surely you can see this... ? JAB has acknowledged some of his problems and addressed some of it because he's publicly apologised for some of the incidents he's done. Also been involved and done some charity work ... I'm not sure whether that addresses your point of helping preventing others, but I'm making the point one was accepted and the other is not. By some.
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Post by irishrover on Mar 8, 2021 13:52:51 GMT
I’m sure you’re correct about wishing him well in regards to getting his life back on track but I’m afraid you’re splitting hairs if you think than nobody is ‘anti-Joey Barton’ on this or the other forum. Plenty of evidence to show that sentiment. And I suspect you and I are part of it. It’s difficult to support the view you don’t want him and his reputation dragging us into the gutter and then denying that by having that opinion you’re “anti-Joey Barton”. Perhaps it’s “we're anti-Joey Barton being Bristol Rovers manager”. But tbh that’s a bit of a mouthful! And in the end I think you and I probably agree although we are probably dealing with the issue differently. UTG! I see a distinction between being against him on a personal level and opposing, in the strongest possible terms, the harm having him here has done. Whilst looking at lists of his criminal behaviour, there are also lists of things he's done which are just plain strange, if this were a witch hunt against him on a personal level I would be referencing those as well. Just one example, do you remember the truly weird interview that Steve McClaren gave in Holland where he spoke entirely in English but with a comedy Dutch accent? Joey did the same thing in France, it was like Bread meets 'Allo 'Allo. it's was more than odd behaviour. Looking at the bigger picture. Bringing him here speaks to the judgement of those running our club and maybe helps us understand why even before the pandemic hit we were losing ITRO £3,000,000 a year. I have no idea what's happening on the other forum, sorry. I'm an agreement with Bambi here I think.
On an individual level I have nothing particularly against Barton in the sense that many people get into trouble in life, many people have anger management issues etc. Barton's crimes are fairly minor in the grand scheme of things, he's had a fairly difficult life in many ways and on the whole I'm happy to subcribe to 2nd/3rd/ chances provided there's evidence of the person making a genuine effort to do so.
But the issue here is as much what it says about us as a club. That we have appointed someone who has an active court case over their head for assaulting another manager is nothing short of unprofessional, disgraceful and embarrassing. This is hardly a one off incident either - it's one in Barton's long charge sheet of showing contempt for the game that has provided him with a very good living.I'm struggling to care about a club that would make that decision because I think it shows contempt for the sport I actually still enjoy. That's the issue here.
By the way, those saying 'innocent till proven guilty' are missing the point. It's one thing to not sack someone who has a criminal charge over their head (although irrespective of criminality it would surely be gross professional misconduct) - it's another to appoint someone to your highest profile positiuon who has a criminal court case actively hanging over them for something they did while in that same professional environment. Good luck getting a job in any other industry on that basis.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 15:51:08 GMT
I see a distinction between being against him on a personal level and opposing, in the strongest possible terms, the harm having him here has done. Whilst looking at lists of his criminal behaviour, there are also lists of things he's done which are just plain strange, if this were a witch hunt against him on a personal level I would be referencing those as well. Just one example, do you remember the truly weird interview that Steve McClaren gave in Holland where he spoke entirely in English but with a comedy Dutch accent? Joey did the same thing in France, it was like Bread meets 'Allo 'Allo. it's was more than odd behaviour. Looking at the bigger picture. Bringing him here speaks to the judgement of those running our club and maybe helps us understand why even before the pandemic hit we were losing ITRO £3,000,000 a year. I have no idea what's happening on the other forum, sorry. I'm an agreement with Bambi here I think.
On an individual level I have nothing particularly against Barton in the sense that many people get into trouble in life, many people have anger management issues etc. Barton's crimes are fairly minor in the grand scheme of things, he's had a fairly difficult life in many ways and on the whole I'm happy to subcribe to 2nd/3rd/ chances provided there's evidence of the person making a genuine effort to do so.
But the issue here is as much what it says about us as a club. That we have appointed someone who has an active court case over their head for assaulting another manager is nothing short of unprofessional, disgraceful and embarrassing. This is hardly a one off incident either - it's one in Barton's long charge sheet of showing contempt for the game that has provided him with a very good living.I'm struggling to care about a club that would make that decision because I think it shows contempt for the sport I actually still enjoy. That's the issue here.
By the way, those saying 'innocent till proven guilty' are missing the point. It's one thing to not sack someone who has a criminal charge over their head (although irrespective of criminality it would surely be gross professional misconduct) - it's another to appoint someone to your highest profile positiuon who has a criminal court case actively hanging over them for something they did while in that same professional environment. Good luck getting a job in any other industry on that basis.....
There's some loose / sloppy language in there, so I don't agree entirely, but am in agreement with the general thrust of the points you make, but would also add, the appointment also shows utter contempt for anybody who associates themselves with the club, and that's amplified for anybody who has youngsters who may look up to professionals involved in the sport as role models. As someone else pointed out, how exactly does this feed in to the message they attempted to put across in that 'Step Up' video where a family were working together to eventually get the young Daughter to a match as a happy ensemble? What right minded Father would, or could bring a youngster along and say that it was OK to cheer on a team lead by anybody with Barton's record whilst he's done nothing to demonstrate that he's a reformed character? As mentioned earlier today, this appointment demonstrates the judgement that those running the club appear to possess and could well indicate why we are in serious danger of being relegated into a division containing a team that's a hobby for bored ex-pros, Barrow and also Harrogate, whilst somehow recording record losses in the process. As a club we are a shambles and an embarrassment.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 8, 2021 15:56:53 GMT
I see a distinction between being against him on a personal level and opposing, in the strongest possible terms, the harm having him here has done. Whilst looking at lists of his criminal behaviour, there are also lists of things he's done which are just plain strange, if this were a witch hunt against him on a personal level I would be referencing those as well. Just one example, do you remember the truly weird interview that Steve McClaren gave in Holland where he spoke entirely in English but with a comedy Dutch accent? Joey did the same thing in France, it was like Bread meets 'Allo 'Allo. it's was more than odd behaviour. Looking at the bigger picture. Bringing him here speaks to the judgement of those running our club and maybe helps us understand why even before the pandemic hit we were losing ITRO £3,000,000 a year. I have no idea what's happening on the other forum, sorry. I'm an agreement with Bambi here I think.
On an individual level I have nothing particularly against Barton in the sense that many people get into trouble in life, many people have anger management issues etc. Barton's crimes are fairly minor in the grand scheme of things, he's had a fairly difficult life in many ways and on the whole I'm happy to subcribe to 2nd/3rd/ chances provided there's evidence of the person making a genuine effort to do so.
But the issue here is as much what it says about us as a club. That we have appointed someone who has an active court case over their head for assaulting another manager is nothing short of unprofessional, disgraceful and embarrassing. This is hardly a one off incident either - it's one in Barton's long charge sheet of showing contempt for the game that has provided him with a very good living.I'm struggling to care about a club that would make that decision because I think it shows contempt for the sport I actually still enjoy. That's the issue here.
By the way, those saying 'innocent till proven guilty' are missing the point. It's one thing to not sack someone who has a criminal charge over their head (although irrespective of criminality it would surely be gross professional misconduct) - it's another to appoint someone to your highest profile positiuon who has a criminal court case actively hanging over them for something they did while in that same professional environment. Good luck getting a job in any other industry on that basis.....
That’s fine irish and I appreciate what you’re saying. I also agree and that’s one of the reasons I wouldn’t have appointed him. And I presume that you’re meaning that that shouldn’t happen in any circumstances. From a business POV I am presuming that the board have a plan of sorts in place if he is found guilty of the charge and I wouldn’t expect us to know about it or even if there is such a plan. If they don’t have a contingency then they are pretty stupid and very unbusiness-like. We’ll find out on June 8th or pretty soon after whether there is such a contingency or if our club is as badly run as some are saying. But I suppose, having appointed him, I go back to what I said before, you have to support him fully. I guess having made that decision two weeks ago the board have crossed that bridge. We haven’t as fans, or many of us haven’t, but the board has which has added to your shame. UTG!
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Post by The Concept on Mar 8, 2021 19:40:57 GMT
Perhaps one has acknowledged his problem, while the other hasn't Perhaps one has addressed his problem, while the other hasn't. Perhaps one has sought redemption, while the other hasn't. Perhaps one has carried out work in the community to help prevent others falling for the errors of his past ways, while the other hasn't. Surely you can see this... ? JAB has acknowledged some of his problems and addressed some of it because he's publicly apologised for some of the incidents he's done. Also been involved and done some charity work ... I'm not sure whether that addresses your point of helping preventing others, but I'm making the point one was accepted and the other is not. By some. Really? Well that's good and a step in the right direction. But the reason I suggested those potential reasons is because many here have been saying the opposite: that he hasn't acknowledged, addressed or apologised for things he's done. If he has then I wonder how many were before he then went on to do the same again. The main distinction is the time time between DJ & JB's last misdemeanour and them then being an official face of Bristol Rovers - I would imagine a long period of time for DJ, yet not so for JB, and indeed he still has a pending court appearance. With this in mind, I think it's quite obvious why one was accepted and the other is not. There are lots of 'somes' in your reply, and my sums say we are still a long way from comparing (bad) apples with (bad) apples.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 9, 2021 6:40:16 GMT
JAB has acknowledged some of his problems and addressed some of it because he's publicly apologised for some of the incidents he's done. Also been involved and done some charity work ... I'm not sure whether that addresses your point of helping preventing others, but I'm making the point one was accepted and the other is not. By some. There are lots of 'somes' in your reply, and my sums say we are still a long way from comparing (bad) apples with (bad) apples. I like that! Alot like a long way from you saying tomato and me saying tomato..? Like I posted much earlier, it depends where everyone draws their line. Shall we call the whole thing off?!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 10:30:08 GMT
Shall we call the whole thing off?! Rust, birdshít, weeds and tents; weeds and tents. Rust, birdshít, weeds and tents; weeds and tents, and eyes and ears and mouth and nose. Rust, birdshít, weeds and tents: weeds and tents.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 11:11:03 GMT
Shall we call the whole thing off?! Rust, birdshít, weeds and tents; weeds and tents. Rust, birdshít, weeds and tents; weeds and tents, Punch eyes Punch ears Punch mouth Punch nose. Rust, birdshít, weeds and tents: weeds and tents. Classy.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 9, 2021 13:02:33 GMT
Shall we call the whole thing off?! Rust, birdshít, weeds and tents; weeds and tents. Rust, birdshít, weeds and tents; weeds and tents, and eyes and ears and mouth and nose. Rust, birdshít, weeds and tents: weeds and tents. I’ll have you know we have been awarded 92nd place in the stadium competition 😝
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 9, 2021 15:13:47 GMT
The Mem looked rough last time I visited in 2003, can only imagine how bad it must look today!, Eastville was also very rough at the end, the Gent's urinals at the back of the Tote would shock many today, the one thing in it's favour was that it was open air!...We have never had it so good!...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 5:41:58 GMT
Good health, Gasheads. Good health.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 11:03:03 GMT
And just like that, Shoveler has flown the nest again.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 10, 2021 11:15:40 GMT
And just like that, Shoveler has flown the nest again. Oh dear.....why? What have you done!?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 11:26:44 GMT
And just like that, Shoveler has flown the nest again. Oh dear.....why? What have you done!? Don't think it's my fault, not this time anyway. Mike has served his ban for his stupid behaviour and has been allowed back on here, in his many guises, maybe that's a factor, I honestly don't know. Check the date that Mr Punchy's court hearing is scheduled for, there's a very good chance that migration flight paths may bring him back this way around about the same time. Take care Shoves, the place is better with you.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 10, 2021 11:41:34 GMT
Oh dear.....why? What have you done!? Don't think it's my fault, not this time anyway. Mike has served his ban for his stupid behaviour and has been allowed back on here, in his many guises, maybe that's a factor, I honestly don't know. Check the date that Mr Punchy's court hearing is scheduled for, there's a very good chance that migration flight paths may bring him back this way around about the same time. Take care Shoves, the place is better with you.Echo that... If you don't give a duck, it don't mean that others don't. A shame, indeed...
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 10, 2021 12:49:13 GMT
Oh dear.....why? What have you done!? Don't think it's my fault, not this time anyway. Mike has served his ban for his stupid behaviour and has been allowed back on here, in his many guises, maybe that's a factor, I honestly don't know. Check the date that Mr Punchy's court hearing is scheduled for, there's a very good chance that migration flight paths may bring him back this way around about the same time. Take care Shoves, the place is better with you.I’m also not happy with eppinggas not being around. I know Mike Jay aka Harry buckle plus others, had a month ban but seems to have been sooner. Ian, if you are still looking then just pop on once in awhile mate. Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 12:50:49 GMT
Oh dear.....why? What have you done!? Don't think it's my fault, not this time anyway. Mike has served his ban for his stupid behaviour and has been allowed back on here, in his many guises, maybe that's a factor, I honestly don't know. Check the date that Mr Punchy's court hearing is scheduled for, there's a very good chance that migration flight paths may bring him back this way around about the same time. Take care Shoves, the place is better with you.Blimey, was Mike banned from here? He must have been the first ever. Sometimes a short time out is good for the soul so take a rest Shoveler, preen your feathers and come back refreshed. xx
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