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Post by kingswood Polak on May 29, 2023 9:03:20 GMT
Just for comparison, during the 80s, apart from one squeaky-bum season, we were regularly competing near the top of the table in Tier 3: 1981–82 Division 3 15 1982–83 Division 3 7 1983–84 Division 3 5 1984–85 Division 3 6 1985–86 Division 3 16 1986–87 Division 3 19 1987–88 Division 3 8 1988–89 Division 3 5 1989–90 Division 3 ↑ 1 The Mem was probably still a decent football ground in the 80's, unfortunately football's moved on and left us behind. Rugby ground and I’d agree but it wasn’t until Wael sorted the pitch and the Rugby left, that we started to make it fit for football but just my opinion. The new stand will be very welcome but so would some paint in a fair few places. I lost count of the amount of flaky paint /rust showers when stood in the lower west stand, falling from above. Is it asking too much to sort that ?
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Post by lostinspace on May 29, 2023 9:19:33 GMT
Oh come on. We were not playing at the Mem in the 80's, in fact we were playing at Twerton Park, and we got promoted. Seem scenario different grounds, there's no way GF would get to the Championship now at Twerton. There's probably also no way we'd get the likes of Gerrard or Lampard to manage us. Re Lampard and Gerrard...that to me seems a blessing in disguise
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Post by lostinspace on May 29, 2023 9:22:51 GMT
You are up early, and it's Sunday. Btw, sarcasm...clearly I was being sarcastic Ha ha - it was too early for me to have my sarcasm radar on! Emma Bridgewater (pottery) often upload the limited edition collectors' pieces to their website at 3 a.m. - I was lurking, the early bird and all that stuff. Don't let my missus know that or she will be up on the site!! 🌔
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Post by TaiwanGas on May 29, 2023 9:36:50 GMT
Just for comparison, during the 80s, apart from one squeaky-bum season, we were regularly competing near the top of the table in Tier 3: 1981–82 Division 3 15 1982–83 Division 3 7 1983–84 Division 3 5 1984–85 Division 3 6 1985–86 Division 3 16 1986–87 Division 3 19 1987–88 Division 3 8 1988–89 Division 3 5 1989–90 Division 3 ↑ 1 You know, you and bluetornados do a lot of this kind of thing and I’d like to say that it does not go unappreciated, thank you. Good shout!..
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 29, 2023 9:46:09 GMT
You know, you and bluetornados do a lot of this kind of thing and I’d like to say that it does not go unappreciated, thank you. Good shout!.. Cheers. I always read these stats but never really thought of the time it takes to look up. Good to have people who provide the information and see what we have, or haven’t achieved.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 29, 2023 10:16:02 GMT
Age is irrelevant in my opinion and is a red herring used by the evangelists as an excuse for Barton’s failings. It’s all about ability. There are plenty of excellent young managers plenty of seasoned excellent ones and plenty of excellent ones on the spectrum in between. Barton has had enough games though to be able to judge him. We will see how Barton measures up over the coming season as he is not going anywhere. What I’ve seen to date both here and at Fleetwood leads me to think he is mediocre but with an overinflated view of himself. Hope I’m wrong but another season like the last makes ghe point beyond any reasonable doubt in my view JB got Fleetwood into the playoffs, which was a decent effort for a small club when only the likes of Wycombe and Shrewsbury have managed it recently, I think that puts him above mediocre, if it doesn't then what does that make DC, a poor manager given he's only ever managed a mid table finish in L1. This season was all about stabilising in L1 so at best we were only going to finish mid table. Next season's the big one and if JB doesn't improve on 17th then he'll probably leave anyway. Hopefully we're still in L1 if he does leave though the back door and not heading back in L2. What budget did he have relative to other clubs in the league at that time though? I don’t have ghe answer to that btw but sure some on here will
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 29, 2023 10:19:19 GMT
Forget about the average position based on all the divisions we've been in, let's look at where we are and compare our final placings in League 1, from when we first come back up from the 4th Tier. (and this goes further back than just the past decade, and is quite neatly 10 years) ... 2007/08 = 16. 2008/09 = 11. 2009/10 = 11. 2010/11 = 22 (relegated). 2016/17 = 10. 2017/18 = 13. 2018/19 = 15. 2019/20 = 14. 2020/21 = 24 (relegated). 2022/23 = 17. So apart from our relegation years, this year is the worst place we've finished. Whilst agreeing on the sentiments about consolidation after promotion, we have the manager to blame for any hype. It was JB who was saying after a handful of games that we'd get to the top flight before City, and in January was talking about a promotion push and the teams in the play-offs would be looking over their shoulders, before we ended up having a spectacular fall. As a quick guessimate our average finish is around 15th so we had a virtually bang on season, as far as JB's words, do you ever take any notice of what our managers now say, I completely gave up when those "marquee" never materialised a few summers ago. A 16th or 17th finish is usually followed by a decent finish the following season, if JB can get us to a 10th or better finish next season will he be recognised on here as our best manager in the last decade? Not sure where the evidence is to support your view about finishing better following 16th place the season before. It’s normally a momentum thing and end of season form usually carries through so fingers crossed we buck that trend
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Post by droitwichgas on May 29, 2023 10:24:54 GMT
The stats for the 2008/9 and 2019/20 seasons suggest otherwise? To gain momentum you have to start from somewhere in the league initially.
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 13, 2023 9:26:25 GMT
I agree with the initial statement made 183 pages ago. I wonder if supporters seem to be generally more 'disapproving' of the appointment, if they don't live in or near Bristol. The duck, AMPG and myself near the Lee Valley, irishrover in the north west, Jeff NZ, Cheshire in, well, Cheshire, Bondi (I guess Aus), Igitur (Bucks I think), Taiwan (Taiwan?), Swiss (USA) - I'm sure there are others. Someone correct me if I've spoken out of turn... and I'm sure there are still people who live in the area like TTWD and oldie who strongly 'disapprove'. And likewise Nobby in Germany generally 'approve'. So it's by no means a hard and fast rule.
My theory is that if you leave Bristol, you still have a strong connection to the City, the City of your birth. I still think it's a brilliant place to live. I left in 1983. So when you still support the Club from afar, and you make the trip to the Mem, you are coming home. I don't have family in Bristol any more, but still have mates in Winterbourne/Iron Acton and that is still 'home' to me. (Much to her in doors annoyance. I've lived in Epping for over 30 years, far longer than my time in Winterbourne). So when something like 'the Barton' thing comes along and you feel less (or even no) connection with the Club, that connection to the City and your 'home' is damaged. And you feel miffed. Cross even. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jun 13, 2023 11:49:14 GMT
I moved to Cheshire in 1994, and in that time I have probably seen more away games that home games. Because of that I don't feel that I have the same affinity with the Mem as I had with Eastville and Twerton . I enjoy home games when I can get there and the atmosphere can be great at times, but I just don't feel the same way. I think the neglect of the ground rather than continuing the momentum gained on purchase has disappointed me over the years.
Similarly I love Bristol as a city but it has changed so much since I worked there that it no longer feels like 'my' city. And the lack of willingness and/or ability to modernise the transport system and develop the heart of the City gives it the feel of a backwater rather than a mainstream city going places.
Perhaps I'm just old and dwelling in the past but this constant stating of how great the side is and how great a manager JB is yet we are now where we were when he took over but with a relegation and a few more million spent..... I have seen better football and experienced better managers in my time as a supporter. I am willing to be proved wrong, but haven't seen anything yet to change my mind that we are an average side in an average position who can occasionally raise our game against good sides but fail to battle when push comes to shove. Let's see what next season brings.....
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Post by bondigas on Jun 13, 2023 14:47:40 GMT
What is so disappointing is that under the present regime there is a complete disregard for any sense of tradition or history surrounding the club. You get the feeling they'd do away with the quarters if they could,who knows,we might all be surprised yet in a few weeks time when the shirt for 2023/24 is revealed. I heard today that the family of Josser Watling approached the club to see if they could hold his wake there in early July. They were quoted £17.50 a head which would include some light refreshments. The bar though would be a pay bar and 200 people are expected. Sadly the family found that quote a bit steep but the club were non negotiable and the family are now looking elsewhere, which is unfortunate as it would have been a fond farewell to Josser, maybe not at his spiritual home Eastville but at least on his beloved Rovers patch. You would have thought the club would have come to some agreement that would have been agreeable to both parties and some present members of the Rovers staff could have attended at least the wake to show some respect to Josser on behalf of the club. I suppose part time Clare in the ticket office is the only person working at the club now who has any idea of what went on before February 2016 and who Josser was !
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Post by dido on Jun 13, 2023 15:24:20 GMT
Surely you're old enough to remember Rovers in stripes and plain blue shirts? Was it a 'complete disregard' then?
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 13, 2023 15:42:44 GMT
What is so disappointing is that under the present regime there is a complete disregard for any sense of tradition or history surrounding the club. You get the feeling they'd do away with the quarters if they could,who knows,we might all be surprised yet in a few weeks time when the shirt for 2023/24 is revealed. I heard today that the family of Josser Watling approached the club to see if they could hold his wake there in early July. They were quoted £17.50 a head which would include some light refreshments. The bar though would be a pay bar and 200 people are expected. Sadly the family found that quote a bit steep but the club were non negotiable and the family are now looking elsewhere, which is unfortunate as it would have been a fond farewell to Josser, maybe not at his spiritual home Eastville but at least on his beloved Rovers patch. You would have thought the club would have come to some agreement that would have been agreeable to both parties and some present members of the Rovers staff could have attended at least the wake to show some respect to Josser on behalf of the club. I suppose part time Clare in the ticket office is the only person working at the club now who has any idea of what went on before February 2016 and who Josser was ! So sad to hear about this, 200 people would be £3500 for food and then the bar costs, could a fundraising page be set up for people to donate to ? Josser was born and bred in Bristol and only played for BRFC from 1945-1963 in 323+ games (only league games back then were recorded). On 30th April 2021, it was announced that Josser Watling would become the final of the 10 initial inductees into the Bristol Rovers Hall of Fame. A proper and true legend of our great club...
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Post by perryfenwick on Jun 13, 2023 19:36:45 GMT
184 page thread to discuss a statement it's impossible to argue to. Even if he achieves things beyond fixing his own mess, he's a vile person and I thought we were better than that. At least I did two years ago.
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 15, 2023 8:29:05 GMT
As mentioned elsewhere... His premium subscription Twitter account. Look at me. Look at me. "Exclusive Insights and Engaging Conversations 🚀 Unlocking the Mind of a Football Maverick 💥 Join My Premium Twitter Community and Experience the Game in a Whole New Way! I’m Joey Barton, a football maverick. As a former professional player and current coach, I bring you exclusive insights, engaging conversations, and an unparalleled experience of the beautiful game".
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 15, 2023 8:36:36 GMT
As mentioned elsewhere... His premium subscription Twitter account. Look at me. Look at me. "Exclusive Insights and Engaging Conversations 🚀 Unlocking the Mind of a Football Maverick 💥 Join My Premium Twitter Community and Experience the Game in a Whole New Way! I’m Joey Barton, a football maverick. As a former professional player and current coach, I bring you exclusive insights, engaging conversations, and an unparalleled experience of the beautiful game". In other words , i am an attention seeking person who has a near obsessive urge to be seen as more intelligent than others. Juan Kerr an important question here is how can he be giving his full attention to the team when he is doing this ? I am no longer shocked that our owner idly sits by but i cannot help wonder why this is ?
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 15, 2023 11:00:51 GMT
As mentioned elsewhere... His premium subscription Twitter account. Look at me. Look at me. "Exclusive Insights and Engaging Conversations 🚀 Unlocking the Mind of a Football Maverick 💥 Join My Premium Twitter Community and Experience the Game in a Whole New Way! I’m Joey Barton, a football maverick. As a former professional player and current coach, I bring you exclusive insights, engaging conversations, and an unparalleled experience of the beautiful game". 1. In other words , i am an attention seeking person who has a near obsessive urge to be seen as more intelligent than others. Juan Kerr 2. an important question here is how can he be giving his full attention to the team when he is doing this ? 3. I am no longer shocked that our owner idly sits by but i cannot help wonder why this is ? 1. Correct. 2. Correct. I would have thought his primary objective would be to assemble a side that can 'challenge'. Nothing should detract from that. 3. It has become 'the norm'. Barton does what Barton wants. Can you imagine Wael trying to give Barton a dressing down?
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Post by rowdenhill on Jul 15, 2023 11:21:18 GMT
I'd like to see Barton in a dressing gown from Wael.
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 15, 2023 11:48:46 GMT
I'd like to see Barton in a dressing gown from Wael. Can you imagine Wael trying to give Barton a dressing down in a dressing room in a dressing gown?
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jul 15, 2023 13:41:33 GMT
Who are Brentford B? Why the living f**k are we playing them? Another hangover from the Balcombe deal? Practice for the chipmunk cup or whatever that pile of excrement is called these days?
Used to be a time when we would play proper prem teams in pre-season friendlies. Guess it reinforces the gulf between them and us now
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