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Post by syg on Sept 23, 2020 11:09:41 GMT
Saw this on the other forum, and ive lifted this link from the Colchester utd website, presumably from their chairman.
Worth a read and consideration by us all.
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Streaming Revenues.
The way it works currently is that the home team keep all of the revenue for the tickets they sell through their own website and they also get the revenue for the first 500 that buy via the away team. For example: for Saturday’s game against Bolton, we sold 452 iFollow passes, (so we keep all of the revenue from those), and Bolton sold 2252 iFollow passes, (of which we get the revenue from the first 500).
This has put a very new aspect on the revenue that is available to clubs this season. Bolton made more money in gate receipts from our home fixture than we did because they had the revenue from 1,752 iFollow passes whereas we had the revenue from 952 iFollow passes. In normal times, we would have expected about £54,000 in home gate receipts from this fixture but we will receive just shy of £8,000, whereas Bolton would have expected about £600 for the 5% commission we pay them but will have received about £14,000 more than that.
We sold just over 300 streams for the away game against Bradford, so we earnt £0.00 for that away game and I expect that to be the case for every away game this season. So based on twenty three away games, Bolton look set to receive about £345,000 from the streaming of their away games this season whilst we can look forward to approximately £0.00.
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Discuss.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 23, 2020 11:22:59 GMT
When or where will our stream revenue be published?
Will this be public knowledge to everyone for every club?
I think the earnings of away thresholds is too high....it should be halved so anything over 250 goes to the away club. This would give the smaller supported clubs more chance of earning on 50% of their fixtures.
I still feel this system is not so friendly to consumers. Many have problems with either the stream or comparability of the device to the TV. The whole thing smells of an EFL fishouse..
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 23, 2020 11:44:47 GMT
Would it be better if all revenues went to the club you subscribed to?
This may encourage more fans to watch away games, especially those with low numbers at the moment, as they will be supporting their team.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 23, 2020 12:47:21 GMT
I asked Tom Gorringe this question and posted his reply on this forum on 4th September. Link to thread on iFollow revenues
Tom's reply was not quite the same as that from the Colchester chairman. The advice to buy iFollow passes for away games only from Rovers website would seem to hold, though. |
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 23, 2020 13:38:22 GMT
So what does this mean?
However, for the upcoming season, the home clubs will receive the streaming revenues for the ‘usual’ away club attendance, on top of their own”.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 23, 2020 14:13:09 GMT
My interpretation is that the Football League, in recognition of the current unusual circumstances, have altered the rules, to try to make things as normal as possible.
In effect, Tom is saying that last season, when I bought a match pass from Rovers to watch MK Dons v Rovers, that revenue (less VAT) would have gone to Rovers.
This season, whilst matches are played behind closed doors, my cash would go not to Rovers, but instead to the home team. At least, this would apply for most of Rovers' away matches.
The Football League is simply trying to ensure that the home team gets some cash from the away fans, as they would do from fans who would be there in person in normal circumstances.
The crunch comes when the number of iFollow passes purchased by the away fans (from their own club's website) reaches a certain point. Above that point, whatever it is, the additional revenue goes to the away club.
The Colchester chairman has defined that threshold as an absolute number: 500. Tom described it as the "usual away attendance".
Since Rovers' normal away attendance at the majority of matches is under 500, and I imagine that the number of iFollow passes, similarly, is under 500 for away matches this season, Tom and the Colchester chairman are not, to all intents and purposes, in disagreement.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 23, 2020 14:22:19 GMT
All a bit mad. Don't go to away games but am getting ifollow for away games as
1. Something to do on Saturday afternoon.
2. Originally would be giving funds to Rovers.
Would be interesting to see ifollow attendance figure.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 23, 2020 14:26:23 GMT
... I imagine that the number of iFollow passes, similarly, is under 500 for away matches this season, ... On reflection, this is a gross assumption. (Especially if Bolton fans bought 2252 passes for their away game in League Two at Colchester - which they lost 2-0 by the way). If the true picture is that we are near or above the "tipping point" where each additional match pass for a Rovers away match generates revenue for Rovers, I wonder why the data is not made public. Would it not be an incentive to Rovers supporters to buy a match pass if they knew that their purchase was going to BRFC and not to the home club? |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 23, 2020 14:28:35 GMT
Another thought. Maybe the "500" quoted by the Colchester chairman is the figure for League Two only. Perhaps a different figure applies in League One.
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Post by syg on Sept 23, 2020 15:09:15 GMT
So.... Rovers draw Man Utd at home. 15000 rovers fan subscribe via rovers ifollow. 1.5 million worldwide glory hunting chav incapable of independent thought individuals subscribe via ifollow Man utd.
Thus, we could push the importance of finance to clubs our size and through media pressing get people to subscribe via rovers.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 24, 2020 6:03:26 GMT
So.... Rovers draw Man Utd at home. 15000 rovers fan subscribe via rovers ifollow. 1.5 million worldwide glory hunting chav incapable of independent thought individuals subscribe via ifollow Man utd. Thus, we could push the importance of finance to clubs our size and through media pressing get people to subscribe via rovers. Hahahaha! What a preposterous thought! The notion we'd make it to 3rd round and beyond...? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 9:00:16 GMT
It doesnt seem right to me that the away team with a large following should achieve more income from 'virtual gate receipts' than the home team does.
It feels as though it will exacerbate the disparity of income between small clubs and big clubs and ultimately lead to a very unlevel playing field.
As the fixed costs are all the same I think the streaming revenue should be collected centrally and distributed equally between clubs. Why isn't it?
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 24, 2020 9:02:39 GMT
So.... Rovers draw Man Utd at home. 15000 rovers fan subscribe via rovers ifollow. 1.5 million worldwide glory hunting chav incapable of independent thought individuals subscribe via ifollow Man utd. Thus, we could push the importance of finance to clubs our size and through media pressing get people to subscribe via rovers. Hahahaha! What a preposterous thought! The notion we'd make it to 3rd round and beyond...? That made me laugh! Don’t know what vintage you are o2 but back in the late 60s when I first started the 3rd round was almost a given. It set the benchmark for me so I’m always disappointed when we don’t make that 3rd round draw. Recently our FA Cup record has been woeful. UTG! |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Sept 25, 2020 13:13:08 GMT
On the Official Site:
"Over 1,600 Season Ticket holders redeemed codes to watch last Saturday's game, adding to sales [of] over 800 match passes for the fixture against Ipswich.
In recent weeks, the Gas has been backed by an online following of over 1,300 fans for our visit to Sunderland - with the Club retaining 80% of the revenue generated by iFollow sales".
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Post by syg on Sept 25, 2020 16:24:10 GMT
On the Official Site: "Over 1,600 Season Ticket holders redeemed codes to watch last Saturday's game, adding to sales [of] over 800 match passes for the fixture against Ipswich.
In recent weeks, the Gas has been backed by an online following of over 1,300 fans for our visit to Sunderland - with the Club retaining 80% of the revenue generated by iFollow sales".Im surprised how low that Sunderland fig is. 1st league game for yonks, one of the biggest games and only 1400 approx. Although families needing only one subscription must have a big affect on that |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 16:45:30 GMT
families needing only one subscription must have a big affect on that Definitely. The only way to make online viewing bearable is to watch with good company, or failing that, one's own family. |
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