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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 12:21:56 GMT
He still has to 'do better' ,dontyou agree ampg? From what I've seen he is comfortable on the ball and has an eye to a good pass/through ball.Tidy.Off the ball he's not a great. Yes,he may succeed. I do agree. He hasn't got there yet, but I think we could all see why BG saw potential with King Rickie it worked out (although he started with us from a higher baseline as top scorer at his previous club) with O'Toole/THD/most of DCs later signings etc etc it didn't - for a range of reasons it's in the balance, and maybe he'll thrive once Garnerball gets embedded Ahhhh... Garnerball...fingers crossed
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 15, 2020 12:25:37 GMT
Why shocked? Length of contract dictates... Bennett is an obvious example, the club wants rid but he is still under contract so for now he stays I hope Swindon take Bennett. Swindon look likely to take possible points hit for financial affairs, so Bennett not likely to go there for that reason
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 15, 2020 12:27:32 GMT
I hope Swindon take Bennett. Swindon look likely to take possible points hit for financial affairs, so Bennett not likely to go there for that reason good old Swindle! Traditions need to be maintained!
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Post by basel on Jun 15, 2020 14:27:44 GMT
He still has to 'do better' ,dontyou agree ampg? From what I've seen he is comfortable on the ball and has an eye to a good pass/through ball.Tidy.Off the ball he's not a great. Yes,he may succeed. I do agree. He hasn't got there yet, but I think we could all see why BG saw potential with King Rickie it worked out (although he started with us from a higher baseline as top scorer at his previous club) with O'Toole/THD/most of DCs later signings etc etc it didn't - for a range of reasons it's in the balance, and maybe he'll thrive once Garnerball gets embedded Fingers crossed.Was it GC or BG that dropped him because of his weight? I hope he's sorted that out,that'll be a help. John Robertson at Forest with Brian Clough. Half as good as jom would do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 22:03:57 GMT
I do agree. He hasn't got there yet, but I think we could all see why BG saw potential with King Rickie it worked out (although he started with us from a higher baseline as top scorer at his previous club) with O'Toole/THD/most of DCs later signings etc etc it didn't - for a range of reasons it's in the balance, and maybe he'll thrive once Garnerball gets embedded Fingers crossed.Was it GC or BG that dropped him because of his weight? I hope he's sorted that out,that'll be a help. John Robertson at Forest with Brian Clough. Half as good as jom would do. Garner brought him to the club on a two and a half year deal,then left him out for failing to meet the required fitness criteria or something like that.
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Post by Igitur on Jun 16, 2020 7:09:50 GMT
For me the retained list announcement is a bitter sweet period as I lose players I like and get rid of those I do not. It’s happened for years but does not last too long as arrival of new players are announced and I look forward to pre-seasons and the tour (not this year though.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 8:34:16 GMT
I had a real feeling of affinity with conference team that DC built and enjoyed following their progress until the team was broken up late in the former managers time at the club. Since then i have struggled to connect with both players and managers at the club. Both dc and coughlan appear to have given some very ordinary players long contracts,i never imagined that bennett,nichols,rodman and upson for example had 3 year deals when we signed them. Then the is mark little who hardly played for 2 years before we signed him inexplicably on a 2 year contract along with relegated walsall left back leahy. Although we have good young defenders there is nobody i really get excited about in attacking positions. Rodman is good every now and then and clarke-harris has done very well of course.
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 16, 2020 8:46:16 GMT
I had a real feeling of affinity with conference team that DC built and enjoyed following their progress until the team was broken up late in the former managers time at the club. Since then i have struggled to connect with both players and managers at the club. Both dc and coughlan appear to have given some very ordinary players long contracts,i never imagined that bennett,nichols,rodman and upson for example had 3 year deals when we signed them. Then the is mark little who hardly played for 2 years before we signed him inexplicably on a 2 year contract along with relegated walsall left back leahy. Although we have good young defenders there is nobody i really get excited about in attacking positions. Rodman is good every now and then and clarke-harris has done very well of course. Really? That is mental. All these players (I would imagine) are on decent money. Bennett and Nichols - utter waste of money. Rodman & Upson - not consistent enough. Sounds like we were legged over by agents...
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 16, 2020 8:50:02 GMT
The following players will be departing the football Club on the expiry of their current contracts this summer; Tony Craig, Tareiq Holmes-Dennis, Liam Sercombe, Sam Matthews, Tom Nichols, Gavin Reilly, Ben Morgan, Josh Bailey, Lewis Clutton, Rhys Kavanagh and Theo Widdrington. The Club is still negotiating deals with the following players, with the view of extending their current contracts; Ollie Clarke, Liam Armstrong, Lucas Tomlinson and Harry Warwick. The following players are under contract for the 2020/2021 season; Anssi Jaakkola, Jordi van Stappershoef, Alexis Andre Jr, Josh Hare, Mark Little, Luca Hoole, Alex Rodman, Michael Kelly, Luke Leahy, Alfie Kilgour, Tom Davies, Rollin Menayese, Cian Harries, Ed Upson, Abu Ogogo, Tom Mehew, Luke Russe, Cameron Hargreaves, Josh Barrett, Kyle Bennett, James Daly, Jonson Clarke-Harris, Zain Walker and Kieran Phillips. The following loan players have returned to their parent clubs: Jamal Blackman, Jayden Mitchell-Lawson, Josh Ginnelly and Timmy Abraham. Tough for Tom. What with hair salons being one of the last things to re-open, that's his next career move put back a couple of months. 4 from 93. That must never ever be allowed to happen again.
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Post by droitwichgas on Jun 16, 2020 11:16:44 GMT
I had a real feeling of affinity with conference team that DC built and enjoyed following their progress until the team was broken up late in the former managers time at the club. Since then i have struggled to connect with both players and managers at the club. Both dc and coughlan appear to have given some very ordinary players long contracts,i never imagined that bennett,nichols,rodman and upson for example had 3 year deals when we signed them. Then the is mark little who hardly played for 2 years before we signed him inexplicably on a 2 year contract along with relegated walsall left back leahy. Although we have good young defenders there is nobody i really get excited about in attacking positions. Rodman is good every now and then and clarke-harris has done very well of course. I bet Leahy couldn't believe his luck that after having a poor season with relegated Walsall we then gave him a 2 year contract, most likely on better wages as well! As far as Little, given we already had THD continually struggling for fitness you do wonder what possessed GC/TW to offer him at least a 2 year contract, even when he's been fit I've not seen much to suggest he's anything but an average L1 RB on a good day.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jun 16, 2020 11:41:32 GMT
Not much discussion on the retained list so far. What do you make of Craig going? A little too soon considering he’s more than what we see in matches? Ollie can walk for free? sercombe gone. And Nichols gone. It strikes me although each of those players have come in for criticism at times, the side that reached lofty heights before Christmas had an experienced spine, and wins built on channel runners who may not have owned the headlines in their own right, and all successful sides are built on an experienced spine with plenty of pressing, movement and water carrying? For example, today it seems Marcos Rashford is the only Man Utd player to put pressure on anyone since Fergie left.
In summary, it may be not seem like we are losing much that is important, but in hindsight it may appear we did, unless we replace the water carriers and the experience?
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Post by droitwichgas on Jun 16, 2020 12:23:29 GMT
Craig already not the fastest CB will be a year older next season and when we next play won't have kicked a ball in anger for 6+ months, he also may well have had no interest in staying in Bristol post CV19.
I can't see TC being part of a back 4, BG's favored line up, top 10 side, I just hope his replacement isn't in a team fighting relegation all season!! TC was also signed when DC was paying the likes of KB £4.5K a week which probably made the move form London look attractive. Just hope Davies sorts out his knee problems and remains fit all season.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jun 16, 2020 13:04:41 GMT
I wouldn't spend my money on the return we got. I thought he was a terrific player but we can't offer contracts to someone who can't stay fit. That's the only reason we were able to get him in the first place. He is clearly good enough to play a much higher level. Bit of a Jamie Shore situation.
I don't think any of those releases come as a surprise. But it would be nice to think there was some institutional memory at the club that can recall what happened the last 2 times at League 1 we let our most experienced centre-back go for cost reasons. Holloway thought Andy Thompson could replace Tilson - whoops. The general perception was that the club needed to move on from Steve Elliot who was seen as over the hill and expensive and could be replaced as number 1 by Danny Coles- again whoops. Both times we leaked goals like a sieve the next season. Both times we went down. Tilson went on to have at least 2 more good seasons at that level. Elliot went on to play nearly 200 more games. Lesson - don't scrimp on Centre Backs. I hope this is one exception to the 'youth revolution' - you need an experienced head back there.
All 6 were DC signings, time to move on. The amount of space Nichols took up on this forum and now he is gone. What a waste of money.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jun 16, 2020 13:05:06 GMT
Mark little is the same type of signing as holmes-dennis in that he is usually in the treatment room. Im shocked at how few players have gone and disappointed. Agree Wish we could cancel his and Bennett's contract
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Post by mangogas15 on Jun 16, 2020 13:05:28 GMT
Why shocked? Length of contract dictates... Bennett is an obvious example, the club wants rid but he is still under contract so for now he stays I hope Swindon take Bennett. Good shout now they are up
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Post by mangogas15 on Jun 16, 2020 13:06:29 GMT
but we've got a history of making a success of a fat midfielder He still has to 'do better' ,dontyou agree ampg? From what I've seen he is comfortable on the ball and has an eye to a good pass/through ball.Tidy.Off the ball he's not a great. Yes,he may succeed. Not really had a chance in his manager's own team style as yet
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 13:23:59 GMT
Regarding craig,we have kilgour,davies,menayese and harries who are all at the age where they should be playing first team football so although has done well for us i believe it makes sense.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jun 16, 2020 20:44:40 GMT
Regarding craig,we have kilgour,davies,menayese and harries who are all at the age where they should be playing first team football so although has done well for us i believe it makes sense. Harries is the one with great potential and very highly rated
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 22:51:18 GMT
Regarding craig,we have kilgour,davies,menayese and harries who are all at the age where they should be playing first team football so although has done well for us i believe it makes sense. Harries is the one with great potential and very highly rated All four look decent so it will be interesting to see who nails down the centre-back positions.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 16, 2020 22:54:20 GMT
Harries is the one with great potential and very highly rated All four look decent so it will be interesting to see who nails down the centre-back positions. Yes, agree with that. Harries is the only ball player, Davies the leader, Alfie and Rollin utility CBs Or that's how I see it, without having seen it
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