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Post by basel on Apr 30, 2020 16:57:33 GMT
Three promoted,no relegation.
Six extra fixtures.
In a season that starts when?
Coronavirus must have a vaccine or forget next season.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 30, 2020 18:24:51 GMT
Did I hear that right? 3 promoted from each of the leagues, but no relegations! To be 'absorbed the following season'. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. He must have got that wrong? I actually think that's a reasonable idea - I'd draw the line at the 2 in the automatic spots (3 would surely create odd numbered divisions?). But it seems fairer than any other approach to me. It seems right that teams are rewarded positively for performances up to this point but a bit unfair to punish sides who could still have potentially gotten out of trouble. So you'd then play with 26 two 26 team division and one 20 division. Would make the next season a bit madcap but so what - we're unlikely to care that much.
I beg to differ, my learned friend. It's a b*llocks idea. The only rationality behind it will be somebody somewhere will be making a few more quid (or not getting sued by unhappy footie Clubs).
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Post by irishrover on May 1, 2020 16:38:09 GMT
Three promoted,no relegation. Six extra fixtures. In a season that starts when? Coronavirus must have a vaccine or forget next season. This is the more important question than configuration ultimately.
But I stand by the idea that junking relegation but allowing promotion could be a reasonable compromise in the circumstances - and, yes, some of that is about preventing resentment and clubs suing etc. On balance I'd prefer that option to just wiping out the season completely. Ulitmately, I favour completing the season whenever it can be resumed because I see no guarantee that we will be able to get a new full season starting in August anyway. However, that may complicated with contracts etc especially if some leagues start up earlier than others.
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Post by basel on May 1, 2020 19:29:11 GMT
Three promoted,no relegation. Six extra fixtures. In a season that starts when? Coronavirus must have a vaccine or forget next season. This is the more important question than configuration ultimately.
But I stand by the idea that junking relegation but allowing promotion could be a reasonable compromise in the circumstances - and, yes, some of that is about preventing resentment and clubs suing etc. On balance I'd prefer that option to just wiping out the season completely. Ulitmately, I favour completing the season whenever it can be resumed because I see no guarantee that we will be able to get a new full season starting in August anyway. However, that may complicated with contracts etc especially if some leagues start up earlier than others.
I see the 'spirit of the game' point with the promotion but no relegation idea. I think I go with cancelling this season.The Coronavirus Season.No promotion or relegation. It's handy to have plans A,B,C,D etc because we are all still in the unknown. I cannot see how a contact sport can be played with Coronavirus still not controlled. Apparently ,it is possible lungs can lose 5% of capacity permanently ,if you catch it. Would professional athletes be prepared to take such a risk?Maybe more Court cases there. Come January 2021 and there is a good vaccine available to all then I could see the sense in finishing this season.Then start the 21/22 season end of August time as per usual.
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Post by laughinggas on May 1, 2020 20:43:00 GMT
Not convinced you can restart in Jan. Would have to be a special transfer window as clubs will have let players out of contract go. Which then means many squads would be very different. Issues with playing weaker teams, rule changes needed.
What if teams fold completely, could totally change the league table at restart. Or if go into administration then points deduction will change tables.
Will take a lot for fans to have confidence to go to games, and the thought of going to meaningless games would deter many.
No easy decisions.
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Post by eppinggas on May 2, 2020 8:53:45 GMT
This is the more important question than configuration ultimately.
But I stand by the idea that junking relegation but allowing promotion could be a reasonable compromise in the circumstances - and, yes, some of that is about preventing resentment and clubs suing etc. On balance I'd prefer that option to just wiping out the season completely. Ulitmately, I favour completing the season whenever it can be resumed because I see no guarantee that we will be able to get a new full season starting in August anyway. However, that may complicated with contracts etc especially if some leagues start up earlier than others.
I see the 'spirit of the game' point with the promotion but no relegation idea. I think I go with cancelling this season.The Coronavirus Season.No promotion or relegation. It's handy to have plans A,B,C,D etc because we are all still in the unknown. I cannot see how a contact sport can be played with Coronavirus still not controlled. Apparently ,it is possible lungs can lose 5% of capacity permanently ,if you catch it. Would professional athletes be prepared to take such a risk?Maybe more Court cases there. Come January 2021 and there is a good vaccine available to all then I could see the sense in finishing this season.Then start the 21/22 season end of August time as per usual. I am pretty sure UEFA has taken voiding the season off of the table. As far as I'm aware no league (any tier) has been voided. So the options for the EFL are 1. Leave "as is" (apply just promotion, promotion and relegation, or leave the leagues untouched) - or 2. Wait to re-start the season. No-one knows when, and whether that would be with crowds or behind closed doors, or how may Clubs would even survive that long! So for these practical and financial reasons, it just does not seem viable in the lower leagues.
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Post by laughinggas on May 4, 2020 9:45:28 GMT
Starting to think that next season is more important than this season. For this season the arguments have been made that behind closed doors cannot work. Even at top level sends the wrong message. Given no ones knows when we be able to play in stadiums clubs need to be ready for it when it does. Plans need to show what would happen with various start dates. For example, if the start was January should there be two games a week with no cup competitions so season can be completed by summer? Or do we have seasons changed, winter is now end of season?
Plans can be drawn up so clubs can be mothballed till Jan, or whenever.
Big call for someone.
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Post by irishrover on May 4, 2020 13:22:51 GMT
I see the 'spirit of the game' point with the promotion but no relegation idea. I think I go with cancelling this season.The Coronavirus Season.No promotion or relegation. It's handy to have plans A,B,C,D etc because we are all still in the unknown. I cannot see how a contact sport can be played with Coronavirus still not controlled. Apparently ,it is possible lungs can lose 5% of capacity permanently ,if you catch it. Would professional athletes be prepared to take such a risk?Maybe more Court cases there. Come January 2021 and there is a good vaccine available to all then I could see the sense in finishing this season.Then start the 21/22 season end of August time as per usual. I am pretty sure UEFA has taken voiding the season off of the table. As far as I'm aware no league (any tier) has been voided. So the options for the EFL are 1. Leave "as is" (apply just promotion, promotion and relegation, or leave the leagues untouched) - or 2. Wait to re-start the season. No-one knows when, and whether that would be with crowds or behind closed doors, or how may Clubs would even survive that long! So for these practical and financial reasons, it just does not seem viable in the lower leagues. I suppose it depends how you define 'void'. The Dutch more or less did that in the sense that they ended their season and declared no Champion and no promotion/relegation this year. So I think there is a precedent for that.
The problem with option 1 is that it implies that we can just start the next season but that is also up in the air at the moment. There's no guarantee that there will be the calender to play the next season. Keeping the re-start option on the table at least acknowledges the uncertainty on when football can resume. In others words ending the season doesn't necessarily help you solve the fundamental problem of how football can re-start again if you have to wait till December/January or longer for that to happen. It just creates another headache. On the other hand re-starting the season after June, when lots of players will presumably be let go, is surely not going to work either because it would be farcical to complete seasons with a substantially different squad.
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Post by droitwichgas on May 4, 2020 16:02:12 GMT
Starting to think that next season is more important than this season. For this season the arguments have been made that behind closed doors cannot work. Even at top level sends the wrong message. Given no ones knows when we be able to play in stadiums clubs need to be ready for it when it does. Plans need to show what would happen with various start dates. For example, if the start was January should there be two games a week with no cup competitions so season can be completed by summer? Or do we have seasons changed, winter is now end of season? Plans can be drawn up so clubs can be mothballed till Jan, or whenever. Big call for someone. January is usually prime flu season, if we postpone next season till then we could be starting just as the second wave is starting, plus how do we finish next season before the Euros strat next summer.
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Post by lostinspace on May 4, 2020 19:48:54 GMT
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Post by eppinggas on May 5, 2020 10:32:31 GMT
This EFL season just isn't going to finish. There are far more important issues to be addressed. Looks like the EFL are finally wakening up... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52543735Without some action - and soon - there could be 10, 20 (who knows the number) of lower tier Clubs going to the wall. By strange coincidence I've just started a book called "Thinking about it only makes it worse" (by David Mitchell). I don't know about Up The Gas. More like Let's Hope The Gas Survive. LHTGS doesn't have much of a ring to it though.
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Post by lostinspace on May 5, 2020 19:09:23 GMT
This EFL season just isn't going to finish. There are far more important issues to be addressed. Looks like the EFL are finally wakening up... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52543735Without some action - and soon - there could be 10, 20 (who knows the number) of lower tier Clubs going to the wall. By strange coincidence I've just started a book called "Thinking about it only makes it worse" (by David Mitchell). I don't know about Up The Gas. More like Let's Hope The Gas Survive. LHTGS doesn't have much of a ring to it though. scary times ahead, could see a reinstatement of the N & S leagues commence until things are back to what is called pre C19 normal,incorporating the National league in some way ....But the lure of the TV money and SHEER STUPIDITY of the PL will see that league IMO start, just to appease the "title [moaning] winners"
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Post by basel on May 6, 2020 6:11:27 GMT
I wonder if it would be possible to effectively close all UK professional clubs,with the Government paying the bare minimum maintenance and survival costs.
Release all staff,including players.It is players wages sucking the life out of clubs I assume.
Once Coronavirus is beaten or controlled ,clubs come off this 'life support' existence and it all begins again.
Maybe more clubs would survive this way?
I suppose this is a non starter but I'm going by the better lose a limb than die practice.One used by doctors all over the world.
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Post by laughinggas on May 6, 2020 8:10:38 GMT
Would only work with a salary cap I would suggest Bas. Else there would be a feeding frenzy to sign players with no fees involved.
Not that we have many to profit from but the potential loss of income from transfer of a couple of players may be greater than the savings.
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Post by basel on May 6, 2020 8:26:16 GMT
Would only work with a salary cap I would suggest Bas. Else there would be a feeding frenzy to sign players with no fees involved. Not that we have many to profit from but the potential loss of income from transfer of a couple of players may be greater than the savings. Morning Laughinggas,yep wage cap might well be best.My hope is that as many clubs as possible survive this time and I put that as a priory.No clubs,no money no wages,no players etc.So if there is a mass race to sign players later on well so be it. Would'nt things naturally sort themselves out anyway? Yeh the richer clubs would get away with paying transfer fees,but players might then go from top division downwards on frees.Rovers eg might pick up a couple of 5th tier diamonds.Etc. I obviously don't know how to sort this out,but I am conscious that clubs survival is the bottom line.Without football clubs we would find our 're-start' even harder. I do think football still has a healthy future simply because the game is still loved by millions.
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Post by eppinggas on May 6, 2020 15:13:17 GMT
So Germany are re-starting Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 behind closed doors. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52557699So that makes it more likely our Govt will fall into line, though I don't think we are as well prepared. German ruthless efficiency. We just need some of the whiners (Brighton appear to be the worst) to get behind what the PL are trying to do. Obviously this has no effect on League 1 & 2, which I think for financial reasons alone - won't re-start.
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Post by bloogas on May 6, 2020 18:26:07 GMT
So Germany are re-starting Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 behind closed doors. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52557699So that makes it more likely our Govt will fall into line, though I don't think we are as well prepared. German ruthless efficiency. We just need some of the whiners (Brighton appear to be the worst) to get behind what the PL are trying to do. Obviously this has no effect on League 1 & 2, which I think for financial reasons alone - won't re-start. Apparently Germany aren't after all - Angie stepped in.
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Post by basel on May 6, 2020 18:55:29 GMT
So Germany are re-starting Bundesliga and Bundesliga 2 behind closed doors. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52557699So that makes it more likely our Govt will fall into line, though I don't think we are as well prepared. German ruthless efficiency. We just need some of the whiners (Brighton appear to be the worst) to get behind what the PL are trying to do. Obviously this has no effect on League 1 & 2, which I think for financial reasons alone - won't re-start. Apparently Germany aren't after all - Angie stepped in. Where did you hear from please Bloo?
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Post by laughinggas on May 6, 2020 19:27:39 GMT
Angie says football will start this month.
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Post by bloogas on May 7, 2020 7:04:42 GMT
Apparently Germany aren't after all - Angie stepped in. Where did you hear from please Bloo? Yesterday afternoon, probably BBC tv news, probably their female Germany correspondent. But this morning I stand corrected! Now they report she's ok'd it. There you go. Fake news or what?
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