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Post by baselswh on Jul 22, 2021 10:22:05 GMT
Whose side are you on? I respect the sentiment, but surely you would rather B***** be successful now than not. B***** was always going to blame the previous regime as would Pulis, Allardyce, Holloway, Guardiola. I would like to see Garner be successful as I think he was sacked too soon and his own players could have responded to him. But I don't wish him to be successful this season in direct competition with us. It's just not on. He has no time to assemble any kind of squad or have any kind of pre-season, I think he has done well to get that job, but I am not sure it will work without them dropping into the conference first. If that happens they must stick with him and give him the time he did not get here. I still agree with B***** but blame Tisdale for our relegation. I feel sorry for Garner, circumstances just didn’t help him. I just don’t like being forced to support B***** but obviously being a rovers fan you just have to get on with. It feels similar to when your daughter gets engaged to someone you don’t like but you just have to support. This season will be interesting, I think B*****’s squad will play for him and it’s looking more balanced than last season. He’s still an awful bloke, even if he wins promotion. What circumstance did'nt help Ben Garner? Looks like your feelings on Brexit too? Just can't accept it.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jul 22, 2021 10:48:32 GMT
Whose side are you on? I respect the sentiment, but surely you would rather B***** be successful now than not. B***** was always going to blame the previous regime as would Pulis, Allardyce, Holloway, Guardiola. I would like to see Garner be successful as I think he was sacked too soon and his own players could have responded to him. But I don't wish him to be successful this season in direct competition with us. It's just not on. He has no time to assemble any kind of squad or have any kind of pre-season, I think he has done well to get that job, but I am not sure it will work without them dropping into the conference first. If that happens they must stick with him and give him the time he did not get here. I still agree with B***** but blame Tisdale for our relegation. I feel sorry for Garner, circumstances just didn’t help him. I just don’t like being forced to support B***** but obviously being a rovers fan you just have to get on with. It feels similar to when your daughter gets engaged to someone you don’t like but you just have to support. This season will be interesting, I think B*****’s squad will play for him and it’s looking more balanced than last season. He’s still an awful bloke, even if he wins promotion. I love Oasis, hate Liam Gallagher, an awful bloke. No one liked GC but we were 4th. Garner deserved more time. He had a free reign to lost so many games but 11 pts in the first 10 games wasn't a disaster, I just think 4-1 at home was more of a knee jerk reaction to sack him. Tisdale did no better. Had a window. I agree that Garner carries a bit of sympathy but I would still rather Rovers finish above Port Vale than not.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 22, 2021 11:03:42 GMT
I feel sorry for Garner, circumstances just didn’t help him. I just don’t like being forced to support B***** but obviously being a rovers fan you just have to get on with. It feels similar to when your daughter gets engaged to someone you don’t like but you just have to support. This season will be interesting, I think B*****’s squad will play for him and it’s looking more balanced than last season. He’s still an awful bloke, even if he wins promotion. What circumstance did'nt help Ben Garner? Looks like your feelings on Brexit too? Just can't accept it. Covid & family issues were unfortunate for Garner. Brexit - that’s another thread, not really related to the Garner thread. But Brexit has limited effect on me, if anything it’s been good given UK PLC surrender of tariffs to Australia’s economy. Did you know weet-a-bix started in Aus I’m looking forward to watching the B***** roller coaster, if he does well then great. If he has a nightmare then also great, we get rid of him early. It’s win win.
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Post by baselswh on Jul 22, 2021 11:04:06 GMT
I feel sorry for Garner, circumstances just didn’t help him. I just don’t like being forced to support B***** but obviously being a rovers fan you just have to get on with. It feels similar to when your daughter gets engaged to someone you don’t like but you just have to support. This season will be interesting, I think B*****’s squad will play for him and it’s looking more balanced than last season. He’s still an awful bloke, even if he wins promotion. I love Oasis, hate Liam Gallagher, an awful bloke. No one liked GC but we were 4th. Garner deserved more time. He had a free reign to lost so many games but 11 pts in the first 10 games wasn't a disaster, I just think 4-1 at home was more of a knee jerk reaction to sack him. Tisdale did no better. Had a window. I agree that Garner carries a bit of sympathy but I would still rather Rovers finish above Port Vale than not. I liked GC.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 22, 2021 11:09:22 GMT
I feel sorry for Garner, circumstances just didn’t help him. I just don’t like being forced to support B***** but obviously being a rovers fan you just have to get on with. It feels similar to when your daughter gets engaged to someone you don’t like but you just have to support. This season will be interesting, I think B*****’s squad will play for him and it’s looking more balanced than last season. He’s still an awful bloke, even if he wins promotion. I love Oasis, hate Liam Gallagher, an awful bloke. No one liked GC but we were 4th. Garner deserved more time. He had a free reign to lost so many games but 11 pts in the first 10 games wasn't a disaster, I just think 4-1 at home was more of a knee jerk reaction to sack him. Tisdale did no better. Had a window. I agree that Garner carries a bit of sympathy but I would still rather Rovers finish above Port Vale than not. Agreed, well put. Sometimes we can’t like everyone at rovers but we still like Rovers. Was there ever a player at rovers that stands out for particular dislike whatever reason? Never liked Zebroski
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 22, 2021 11:47:02 GMT
I love Oasis, hate Liam Gallagher, an awful bloke. No one liked GC but we were 4th. Garner deserved more time. He had a free reign to lost so many games but 11 pts in the first 10 games wasn't a disaster, I just think 4-1 at home was more of a knee jerk reaction to sack him. Tisdale did no better. Had a window. I agree that Garner carries a bit of sympathy but I would still rather Rovers finish above Port Vale than not. I liked GC. He was definitely substance over style. You could see he had the dressing room. Though I don’t think I’d ask the barbers for a coughlin haircut
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Post by baselswh on Jul 22, 2021 12:59:04 GMT
He was definitely substance over style. You could see he had the dressing room. Though I don’t think I’d ask the barbers for a coughlin haircut The GC team eg,passed the ball better and more effectively than the BG team. The GC team had a style and as you say "substance ".
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Post by baselswh on Jul 22, 2021 13:04:17 GMT
What circumstance did'nt help Ben Garner? Looks like your feelings on Brexit too? Just can't accept it. Covid & family issues were unfortunate for Garner. Brexit - that’s another thread, not really related to the Garner thread. But Brexit has limited effect on me, if anything it’s been good given UK PLC surrender of tariffs to Australia’s economy. Did you know weet-a-bix started in Aus I’m looking forward to watching the B***** roller coaster, if he does well then great. If he has a nightmare then also great, we get rid of him early. It’s win win. Cov19 was a challenge for all managers. Yes ,the family illness must of been difficult,but I don't think it excuses what was an awful reign.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jul 22, 2021 13:06:39 GMT
Covid & family issues were unfortunate for Garner. Brexit - that’s another thread, not really related to the Garner thread. But Brexit has limited effect on me, if anything it’s been good given UK PLC surrender of tariffs to Australia’s economy. Did you know weet-a-bix started in Aus I’m looking forward to watching the B***** roller coaster, if he does well then great. If he has a nightmare then also great, we get rid of him early. It’s win win. Cov19 was a challenge for all managers. Yes ,the family illness must of been difficult,but I don't think it excuses what was an awful reign. I maintain he was sacked too soon
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Post by mangogas15 on Jul 22, 2021 13:08:38 GMT
I love Oasis, hate Liam Gallagher, an awful bloke. No one liked GC but we were 4th. Garner deserved more time. He had a free reign to lost so many games but 11 pts in the first 10 games wasn't a disaster, I just think 4-1 at home was more of a knee jerk reaction to sack him. Tisdale did no better. Had a window. I agree that Garner carries a bit of sympathy but I would still rather Rovers finish above Port Vale than not. Agreed, well put. Sometimes we can’t like everyone at rovers but we still like Rovers. Was there ever a player at rovers that stands out for particular dislike whatever reason? Never liked Zebroski Zebroski Virgo Byron Moore Nichols Luke James Ehmer Garry Kenneth O'Toole
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Post by baselswh on Jul 22, 2021 13:10:07 GMT
Cov19 was a challenge for all managers. Yes ,the family illness must of been difficult,but I don't think it excuses what was an awful reign. I maintain he was sacked too soon Fair enough Mango. Easy for me to say now,but I think he should never ofbeen hired on the first place. Paul Tisdale was sacked too soon imo. Anyway , "we are where we are"......
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 22, 2021 15:33:34 GMT
I love Oasis, hate Liam Gallagher, an awful bloke. No one liked GC but we were 4th. Garner deserved more time. He had a free reign to lost so many games but 11 pts in the first 10 games wasn't a disaster, I just think 4-1 at home was more of a knee jerk reaction to sack him. Tisdale did no better. Had a window. I agree that Garner carries a bit of sympathy but I would still rather Rovers finish above Port Vale than not. I liked GC. He knew exactly what was wrong and how to put it right. 4th place with that squad speaks for itself after nearly going down. Wael and his goons didn’t support him.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jul 22, 2021 15:59:19 GMT
I maintain he was sacked too soon Fair enough Mango. Easy for me to say now,but I think he should never ofbeen hired on the first place. Paul Tisdale was sacked too soon imo. Anyway , "we are where we are"...... I agree should not have been hired. Tisdale was sacked too late, no players after a whole window.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 22, 2021 17:36:50 GMT
Fair enough Mango. Easy for me to say now,but I think he should never ofbeen hired on the first place. Paul Tisdale was sacked too soon imo. Anyway , "we are where we are"...... I agree should not have been hired. Tisdale was sacked too late, no players after a whole window. “Tisdale was sacked too late, no players after a whole window.” Blimey. Who are you blaming for that? Tis was more pissed by that fact than we were.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jul 22, 2021 21:03:25 GMT
I agree should not have been hired. Tisdale was sacked too late, no players after a whole window. “Tisdale was sacked too late, no players after a whole window.” Blimey. Who are you blaming for that? Tis was more pissed by that fact than we were. Here goes Joined November, did not have a list of at least 3 potential targets for striker to sign ON 1st Jan, not 31st. Signed a poor right back and a decent loan keeper. Did not take the correct action to plug the holes in the squad to take us up instead of down, leaving the next manager very little hope of recovering. Tisdale has always been to blame for me, totally wasted Jan, which was obvious right from October onwards that we needed at least 1 more striker to take the pressure off Hanlan instead of piling it on him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 21:53:01 GMT
“Tisdale was sacked too late, no players after a whole window.” Blimey. Who are you blaming for that? Tis was more pissed by that fact than we were. Here goes Joined November, did not have a list of at least 3 potential targets for striker to sign ON 1st Jan, not 31st. Signed a poor right back and a decent loan keeper. Did not take the correct action to plug the holes in the squad to take us up instead of down, leaving the next manager very little hope of recovering. Tisdale has always been to blame for me, totally wasted Jan, which was obvious right from October onwards that we needed at least 1 more striker to take the pressure off Hanlan instead of piling it on him. My overview of that is that we have Tisdale trying to work with a poor squad and the bloke who assembled the squad saying at every available opportunity that they were 'good enough' when clearly they weren't. So let's keep the bloke who put the squad together (by agreement with Garner) and sack Tisdale. Then why not appoint the joker who put together the squad who set a new record for most home defeats, ever, in our entire history, to the board of the FC. And people still trust Wael's judgement. OK then.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 22, 2021 22:18:48 GMT
“Tisdale was sacked too late, no players after a whole window.” Blimey. Who are you blaming for that? Tis was more pissed by that fact than we were. Here goes Joined November, did not have a list of at least 3 potential targets for striker to sign ON 1st Jan, not 31st. Signed a poor right back and a decent loan keeper. Did not take the correct action to plug the holes in the squad to take us up instead of down, leaving the next manager very little hope of recovering. Tisdale has always been to blame for me, totally wasted Jan, which was obvious right from October onwards that we needed at least 1 more striker to take the pressure off Hanlan instead of piling it on him. Here goes. If Tisdale had full control over signings and budget could bring in the firepower he wanted, it’s his fault. if he didn’t have control over signings, that was with board and their transfer director, wasn’t being listened to, would you still pour the bucket of blame all over him? he didn’t seem too gutted about being sacked to me, after what the club did to him in that transfer window, he sounded the most negative thing in the building about staying up. But you are entitled to your own completely opposite view on this.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jul 22, 2021 22:26:22 GMT
Pleased for Garner. B***** looked a tit blaming the previous management for his shortcomings as manager. Whose side are you on? I respect the sentiment, but surely you would rather B***** be successful now than not. B***** was always going to blame the previous regime as would Pulis, Allardyce, Holloway, Guardiola. I would like to see Garner be successful as I think he was sacked too soon and his own players could have responded to him. But I don't wish him to be successful this season in direct competition with us. It's just not on. He has no time to assemble any kind of squad or have any kind of pre-season, I think he has done well to get that job, but I am not sure it will work without them dropping into the conference first. If that happens they must stick with him and give him the time he did not get here. I still agree with B***** but blame Tisdale for our relegation. Shocking how many fans Garner now has at Rovers compared to 8 months ago. Road to,Damascus very crowded.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jul 23, 2021 6:02:58 GMT
Here goes Joined November, did not have a list of at least 3 potential targets for striker to sign ON 1st Jan, not 31st. Signed a poor right back and a decent loan keeper. Did not take the correct action to plug the holes in the squad to take us up instead of down, leaving the next manager very little hope of recovering. Tisdale has always been to blame for me, totally wasted Jan, which was obvious right from October onwards that we needed at least 1 more striker to take the pressure off Hanlan instead of piling it on him. Here goes. If Tisdale had full control over signings and budget could bring in the firepower he wanted, it’s his fault. if he didn’t have control over signings, that was with board and their transfer director, wasn’t being listened to, would you still pour the bucket of blame all over him? he didn’t seem too gutted about being sacked to me, after what the club did to him in that transfer window, he sounded the most negative thing in the building about staying up. But you are entitled to your own completely opposite view on this. That's the beauty of it and I appreciate the challenge. I don't think the board shafted Tisdale, I think he was capable of signing enough players to give us more depth and I genuinely believe, as has been rumoured here and the podcast and in media, that he had Stockley in his mind and no plan b, also was over confident in getting his man. I am aware of the Luton player, but ultimately, he could have been a success at Rovers had he pushed himself to work harder. I don't think he did. I think he could have had a list before the window ready and made a statement to the fans and players of intent by signing 2 or 3 on 1st Jan, and especially a striker, then that takes pressure off. I can't see past the end result. Remember he had some good results and performances, some would argue the wins were better than Bartons, Wimbledon, Blackpool and Plymouth. A very good win v Darlington. He is to blame because he was in the best position to put it right. There are rumours about his demeanour and attitude but I have tried to steer clear of that and focus on what I know. Garner could have resolved it, possibly, B***** had almost no chance.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jul 23, 2021 6:03:33 GMT
Whose side are you on? I respect the sentiment, but surely you would rather B***** be successful now than not. B***** was always going to blame the previous regime as would Pulis, Allardyce, Holloway, Guardiola. I would like to see Garner be successful as I think he was sacked too soon and his own players could have responded to him. But I don't wish him to be successful this season in direct competition with us. It's just not on. He has no time to assemble any kind of squad or have any kind of pre-season, I think he has done well to get that job, but I am not sure it will work without them dropping into the conference first. If that happens they must stick with him and give him the time he did not get here. I still agree with B***** but blame Tisdale for our relegation. Shocking how many fans Garner now has at Rovers compared to 8 months ago. Road to,Damascus very crowded. Not necessarily fans but just a bit sympathetic.
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