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Post by warehamgas on Oct 20, 2019 21:18:38 GMT
Dont know if there’s enough interest here for the 100 competition but thought I’d start a thread for those who want to join in. I’ve just about got over the end of the season! The squads have been chosen. Welsh Fire is supposed to represent Gloucestershire, Somerset and Glamorgan and we’re all supposed to crowd over the bridge to cheer them on. In the end two Gloucestershire players, Payne and Higgins and one Somerset player, Banton. There are a lot of strange combinations but I suppose I shouldn’t be too surprised by that. We have players in Nottingham, 2 in Manchester, 1 for the Oval, 2 with the Southern Spirit. With an open auction our counties were never going to fit a neat pattern of players playing for their “local” team. I wonder whether this whole competition is going to really change county cricket as we know it. Hope the squads copy into here: www.bbc.co.uk/cricket/50109006
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Post by cornwallgas on Oct 21, 2019 12:44:38 GMT
I could never support a Welsh team!🤮 even if it did contain Glos and Somerset players. If they were called West Country Wurzels and had some Welsh players and Steve Smith and Mitchell Stark and played at Taunton or Bristol that would be different (even if they were sponsored by mini cheddars😁)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 14:11:13 GMT
I could never support a Welsh team!🤮 even if it did contain Glos and Somerset players. If they were called West Country Wurzels and had some Welsh players and Steve Smith and Mitchell Stark and played at Taunton or Bristol that would be different (even if they were sponsored by mini cheddars😁) They have no Welsh players.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 21, 2019 14:27:04 GMT
I could never support a Welsh team!🤮 even if it did contain Glos and Somerset players. If they were called West Country Wurzels and had some Welsh players and Steve Smith and Mitchell Stark and played at Taunton or Bristol that would be different (even if they were sponsored by mini cheddars😁) They have no Welsh players. No they don’t but they are calling Colin Ingram, with his Glamorgan connections the local icon! Bit of a stretch!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 14:36:42 GMT
They have no Welsh players. No they don’t but they are calling Colin Ingram, with his Glamorgan connections the local icon! Bit of a stretch! It’s utterly farcical.
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Post by jackthegas on Oct 21, 2019 15:29:03 GMT
Firstly, I do recognise that change can be a good thing. However, I think trying to ape the structure of existing tournaments like the IPL and the Big Bash is short sighted. I am not adverse to playing the tournament in a block with every game on the TV, despite the risks presented by the weather in the UK but I cannot understand how playing cricket in 7 Cities is going to increase attendances. I live in Worcester and I am not going to travel to Birmingham to watch cricket. There are venues like Cardiff and Birmingham that have struggled to fill venues consistently in the Blast. I am not sure this will change that. I just think that the spread of people in the UK does not lend itself to a City based structure.
I was in favour of a hybrid model using the existing County structure. I see no reason why you could not move to 2 divisions of 9. Finals day could consist of a 2nd vs 3rd placed semi - final, a 9th vs 10th or 10th vs 11th placed promotion play off, followed by a final to determine the overall winner. I would have had a clear differential between the two divisions including significantly more prize money for Division One Counties. If every team played everyone in their division once during the group phase then you have a similar number of games to the number you’re going to have in the hundred. You could still play it over the summer holidays and you could televise all Division One games and no Division Two games. You could still have 10 games on terrestrial TV and could have a weekly highlights programme on the BBC as well. I also see no reason why squads for the Championship and 50 over cricket must be aligned with squads for the T20 competition. You could still have a draft but you’d get to retain existing rivalries, the bigger counties with bigger grounds would probably end up in Division One, but at least everyone is still involved. If the BBC were genuinely worried about fitting T20 cricket into a 3 hour window then enforce sensible overrates.
But, we are where we are. I thought the draft worked well. There are some interesting squads but there are some uninspiring picks too. It’s depressing seeing someone like Olly Stone miss out for Hardus Viljoen or James Bracey get overlooked while 33 year old South African Kolpaker Chris Cooke gets picked is not ideal but predictable. It’s not a problem unique to the Hundred.
The area of the game that stands to benefit from this unequivocally is the women’s game. Alignment with the men’s teams is important, as is increased exposure, but it’s the money brought in to the game as a result of the new broadcast deal which gives English cricketers half a chance of closing the gap to their Australian counterparts. I still believe that an equally lucrative TV deal could have been struck whilst maintaining the existing 18 side men’s structure.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 21, 2019 16:42:37 GMT
With the teams only playing eight games, one against each opponent and another match against their local neighbour it means they will be only 4 home games. Clearly the income isn’t going to come from gate receipts but from advertising and TV coverage. This being the case I am surprised that enthusiastic centres like Taunton, Hove, Worcester will be ignored. Cardiff and the Welsh Fire will be dependent upon Glamorgan to fill the ground. There won’t be many going from Somerset but perhaps some from Bristol might go, others will know better than me about that. TV will soon pick up on empty grounds or even grounds not full. For TV the atmospheres will be very important, we will see.
Jack, your point about Ollie Stone and James Bracey against Viljoen and Cooke is a good one. But I was also pleased that the squads do appear to have a lot of English talent. Interesting to see what the BBC was saying (not really interesting, but I use it a lot!) about teams with the best squads. Despite what they said I thought the Manchester Originals, Welsh Fire and Southern Spirit look to be strong. Following it last night I thought that the teams were looking much closer at the bowlers and preferring overseas bowlers to overseas batsmen.
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Post by cornwallgas on Oct 21, 2019 18:34:02 GMT
I could never support a Welsh team!🤮 even if it did contain Glos and Somerset players. If they were called West Country Wurzels and had some Welsh players and Steve Smith and Mitchell Stark and played at Taunton or Bristol that would be different (even if they were sponsored by mini cheddars😁) They have no Welsh players. No, but..if the completely fictitious wurzels had some welsh players I would support/look out for their result ahead of the welsh windbags team or the trent trouts or any other stupidly named franchise in this stupid tournament
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Post by irishrover on Nov 10, 2019 2:45:51 GMT
Sorry been away for ages but agree with all the sentiment on here.
Primarily I am a Westcountry cricket fan so the idea of a tournament without a real Westcountry prescence is a complete anathema to me. I see no reason why you need what amounts to 3 teams in the South East.
There's so many issues with this but it all comes down to the fact that the ECB has seen 18 Domestic bases as a problem rather than an asset for some time. With a bit of imagination, particularly in terms of strengthening the links between the professional and recreational game, this did not need to be the case. But they lack all imagination as the team names and cringeworthy 'values statements' for these franchises embarrassingly demonstrate.
Having said all that....Until last season I thought the ECB was chasing an audience for this that didn't exist. Now I'm not quite so sure but I still think it is a hell of a risk to take with the health of the game in this country. I can't see myself watching much of this stuff and it's an issue I have with all the franchise cricket. The standard of IPL/Big Bash is good but to me it lacks context. Franchises are ininteresting to me - who cares whether an identikit team with no history beats another one or not especially as player flit between them all the time. The Asian cricket fans I know who are really into the IPL seem to follow it in a much more individualised way and often switch allegiance when players they like switch teams. I struggle to see that kind of approach chiming with British sports fandom.
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 3, 2022 14:59:30 GMT
The Hundred returns for its second season tonight Wednesday 3rd August 2022 and will feature a host of England and international stars.
Venues: Eight across the UK
Dates: 3 August-3 September
Coverage: 10 men's games and eight women's games live on BBC TV and BBC iPlayer.
Commentary of every game on BBC Sounds and the BBC Sport website and app, plus live text commentary and in-play clips.
Tonight, Southern Brave Men v Welsh Fire Men - 7pm - The Ageas Bowl, Southampton.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 3, 2022 21:33:37 GMT
Well done bluetornados, I’d forgotten we had this thread! I have watched it tonight (much against my better instinct) and although Hampshire had the razzamataz and lots of bright colours that was a farce. It wasn’t really a spectacle, it was more a mismatch. I won’t embarrass certain Welsh Fire players by identifying them but that was one of the poorest one day matches I’ve seen for ages. Looking at that bowling attack from the Welsh I can’t believe that they thought it was ever likely to take wickets and give themselves a chance. I’ve seen more composed batting from a village team on a Saturday afternoon than I saw from the Welsh Fire batsmen.
Back at a Q and A in 2019 (or was it 2018?) Tom Harrison from the ECB told me at Taunton that Somerset players would be a big part of Welsh Fire and we should support them. Ha! However the squad is now composed I cannot believe that the ECB planned that the squad the Welsh put out has anything in common with what was originally planned. That team tonight would not have beaten many of the county T20 teams this season. The batsmen played like headless chickens and the bowlers had the threat that I have bowling to my grandsons! The standard is really poor and I can’t believe that what’s happened tonight is anywhere near what the ECB planned.
The ECB have spent upwards of £70m, almost wiping out their savings, on promoting a competition that has a team like the Welsh put out tonight. They must be very embarrassed, not that they would admit that.
Apart I would make a few points about the competition in general: 1. Coming back from Taunton earlier on I listened to 5live and their commentator Henry Moran. He was on-message! He explained that it was a revolutionary competition and that it had been made simpler. When asked how it was simpler he said that now fans can see that with only a 100 balls it’s easier to see that teams have to score more runs than the opposition. In other words the opposition will try and score more runs than the team they are playing. In other words much like it was when WG Grace was playing. Very condescending and deluded. I understand the need to attract a new audience to cricket and having it on free to view terrestrial TV is a step forward but treating existing fans in such a condescending way is poor.
2. I felt a tad sorry for the Welsh having lost Jonny Bairstow the day before which must have ruined all their well-made plans. The ECB need to do something about the over-work of certain England contracted players. Ben Stokes mentioned it a week ago when he retired from one day cricket and withdrew from the Northern Superchargers squad that he needed a break. I thought it was a real criticism of the ECB strategy and the 100 Competition. Something has to give. The ECB should have anticipated problems like this and not have it happen piecemeal like it has.
3. I’m glad to see so many English cricketers being involved in the competition but the quality tonight was very poor. This is not a world class team, it’s barely a team that would be anywhere near the top of the T20 league. I will be interested to see the level of attendances this season. I can’t see Cardiff spectators turning up to see an uncompetitive Welsh Fire team deprived of Jonny Bairstow, esp after many would have bought tickets on the understanding that he would be playing. And when the cameras panned around the Aegeas Bowl you could see it wasn’t even half full with the Main Stand being only a quarter full. Last season they gave so many tickets away to get people to go. Many more matches like tonight they may be having to do that again.
My rant is over! As you can see I’m not a fan of it but I understand other cricket fans may be. I don’t really want to turn this into a partisan county v county issue but I know that were Somerset to be in the competition we would fill Taunton with around 10,000 with temporary stands. As it was, tonight there was barely 7,000 in the Aegeas and they are the holders! But it is a different competition and I realise that the way the draft works it wouldn’t be a “Somerset” side so I know it would be a “Western Storm” type side.
It would be good to hear other views, esp if you are pro the competition and reasons why. 👍
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 3, 2022 22:58:00 GMT
Welsh Fire Men 107-7 (100 balls) Duckett 40, Overton & Jordan 2 wickets each.
Southern Brave Men 109-1 (69 balls) Vince 71no, Davies 26, Ball 1-25.
Southern Brave Men win by 9 wickets.
As said above not the best game ever watched.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 4, 2022 13:07:10 GMT
It's a terrible competition.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 5, 2022 21:18:47 GMT
It's a terrible competition. I’m not in favour of it but the last two matches have been decent, Pride v Invincibles and tonight’s Lancashire v Yorkshire.
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Post by alftupper on Aug 6, 2022 6:47:02 GMT
It's a terrible competition. It is. It goes on far too long. We need a tournament that holds peoples` attention. How about a competition called 11 v 11? Each member of one team, bowls one ball to one member of the other team. A grand total of, er... 22 balls. That`s the way to do it.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 6, 2022 7:40:24 GMT
It's a terrible competition. It is. It goes on far too long. We need a tournament that holds peoples` attention. How about a competition called 11 v 11? Each member of one team, bowls one ball to one member of the other team. A grand total of, er... 22 balls. That`s the way to do it.
Don't give them ideas. They would get a whole season in one day. Fans from all the teams would mean a full ground. Every ball an event in itself......and as a cricket fan totally unwatchable.
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Post by alftupper on Aug 6, 2022 9:24:07 GMT
It is. It goes on far too long. We need a tournament that holds peoples` attention. How about a competition called 11 v 11? Each member of one team, bowls one ball to one member of the other team. A grand total of, er... 22 balls. That`s the way to do it.
Don't give them ideas. They would get a whole season in one day. Fans from all the teams would mean a full ground. Every ball an event in itself......and as a cricket fan totally unwatchable. If you love your cricket, Nobby, there`s a brilliant book, " And God created cricket," by Simon Hughes. It covers the game, from it`s very beginnings. All the major events and players are in there, and it`s both very informative and extremely funny. Example.. his piece on Wally Hammond, who apparently was very good looking and used this to his advantage. According to Hughes, he was this country`s ultimate all rounder. He could bat for England. He could bowl for England. He could shag for England.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 6, 2022 11:20:29 GMT
Don't give them ideas. They would get a whole season in one day. Fans from all the teams would mean a full ground. Every ball an event in itself......and as a cricket fan totally unwatchable. If you love your cricket, Nobby, there`s a brilliant book, " And God created cricket," by Simon Hughes. It covers the game, from it`s very beginnings. All the major events and players are in there, and it`s both very informative and extremely funny. Example.. his piece on Wally Hammond, who apparently was very good looking and used this to his advantage. According to Hughes, he was this country`s ultimate all rounder. He could bat for England. He could bowl for England. He could shag for England.
Good old Bristol boy. (Actually a Kent boy iirc) Still one of the best ever English batsmen I was told. His biography was quite a read.
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Post by alftupper on Aug 8, 2022 6:42:44 GMT
If you love your cricket, Nobby, there`s a brilliant book, " And God created cricket," by Simon Hughes. It covers the game, from it`s very beginnings. All the major events and players are in there, and it`s both very informative and extremely funny. Example.. his piece on Wally Hammond, who apparently was very good looking and used this to his advantage. According to Hughes, he was this country`s ultimate all rounder. He could bat for England. He could bowl for England. He could shag for England.
Good old Bristol boy. (Actually a Kent boy iirc) Still one of the best ever English batsmen I was told. His biography was quite a read. Wetherspoons have been given planning permission to build a new hostelry on the Gloucester Rd. Most of their pubs have some sort of local theme in their name, and I emailed their HQ to suggest that they call the place, "The Wally Hammond." Played cricket for Glos and football for BRFC. But, I haven`t heard back.
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 11, 2022 14:37:45 GMT
Got to mention this, but in August next year (Ashes series at home) there will be no Test cricket played in August as the England players are needed to be on duty for The Hundred !
What genius thought this up!
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