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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 3, 2014 13:48:51 GMT
Whilst the usual forum suspects all seem happy to blame the BoD what have they actually done wrong? They can hardly be blamed for the fact Sainsbury's have agreed to buy the Mem for £30m market but changes in supermarket spending now suggests they've paid over the odds? Trash & Aldi\Lidl seem the real villians.
If Sainsbury's do want to pull out lets hope they make a quick announcement rather than drag this saga out any longer.
As action speak louder than words why don't Gasheads just boycott Sainsbury's until they clarify their stance?
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Post by GasHeadGaz on Aug 3, 2014 13:53:38 GMT
As the majority of the posts agree & back up the article, can someone please post a link to said article? It's behind a paywall, unfortunately, cannot be accessed unless you pay a quid.. you lot owe me..excuse typos STORES GROUP DECISION PUTS PIRATES' PLANS IN JEOPARDY Supermarket giants Sainsburys wants to pull the plug on the £20-Million deal to buy Bristol Rovers' ground for a new store. They claim delays and a changing public mood no longer make it viable. For Rovers it is a financial triple whammy just months after losing their Football League status after 93 years of continuous membership. The Pirates are braced, if necessary, to take Sainsbury's to court to protect the contract, which would give them the money to build a new stadium. Prime Minister David Cameron told local MP Charlotte Lesley recently in the commons that he very much hoped the stores group would go ahead with the land purchase, but they have decided it no longer makes commercial sense. When Rovers were relegated to the Conference in the spring, Chairman Nick Higgs promised the plans for the new stadium would still go ahead, although they would be put back a year. The promise was conditional on Sainsbury's still going ahead and providing the money for Rovers to move from the Memorial Stadium. Lawyers on both sides are involved and there have already been two legal skirmishes which have so far gone unreported. Since the banking crisis began, all the domestic stores have seen market share drift away to the German discount Groups Aldi and Lidl. The fear is those customers are unlikelt to come back now because while the recession is officially over, the purse strings are still very tight. Expansion plans throughout the country are being reviewed by the food groups, who are tending to look to establish smaller convenience stores. It is a major crisis for the football club. They have already lost regular rental income from Bristol Rugby, who have left the Mem after 93 years to move in with Bristol City, where their owner, Steve Lansdown is the biggest shareholder and boss. Rovers are facing up to lower revenues as a Non league club but insist their future is still secure. They have a Plan B to improve their present stadium which was agreed with the City Council before Sainsbury's came down the aisle. A club source said last night 'We don't want to see the arrangement with Sainsbury's scuppered. We believe the contract is pretty watertight but the last thing we want is another court case. We don't want compensation to give up the contract. We do want a new ground with facilities to see us through the 21st Century.' Bristol Rovers are the west;s oldest senior club, dating back to 1883, and truned professional in 1897 - the same year as Bristol City. "For Rovers it is a financial triple whammy just months after losing their Football League status after 93 years of continuous membership." "If true?" How is it a "triple whammy"? Surely losing our league status & this is a double whammy?
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Post by falsenumber9 on Aug 3, 2014 13:55:30 GMT
It's behind a paywall, unfortunately, cannot be accessed unless you pay a quid.. you lot owe me..excuse typos STORES GROUP DECISION PUTS PIRATES' PLANS IN JEOPARDY Supermarket giants Sainsburys wants to pull the plug on the £20-Million deal to buy Bristol Rovers' ground for a new store. They claim delays and a changing public mood no longer make it viable. For Rovers it is a financial triple whammy just months after losing their Football League status after 93 years of continuous membership. The Pirates are braced, if necessary, to take Sainsbury's to court to protect the contract, which would give them the money to build a new stadium. Prime Minister David Cameron told local MP Charlotte Lesley recently in the commons that he very much hoped the stores group would go ahead with the land purchase, but they have decided it no longer makes commercial sense. When Rovers were relegated to the Conference in the spring, Chairman Nick Higgs promised the plans for the new stadium would still go ahead, although they would be put back a year. The promise was conditional on Sainsbury's still going ahead and providing the money for Rovers to move from the Memorial Stadium. Lawyers on both sides are involved and there have already been two legal skirmishes which have so far gone unreported. Since the banking crisis began, all the domestic stores have seen market share drift away to the German discount Groups Aldi and Lidl. The fear is those customers are unlikelt to come back now because while the recession is officially over, the purse strings are still very tight. Expansion plans throughout the country are being reviewed by the food groups, who are tending to look to establish smaller convenience stores. It is a major crisis for the football club. They have already lost regular rental income from Bristol Rugby, who have left the Mem after 93 years to move in with Bristol City, where their owner, Steve Lansdown is the biggest shareholder and boss. Rovers are facing up to lower revenues as a Non league club but insist their future is still secure. They have a Plan B to improve their present stadium which was agreed with the City Council before Sainsbury's came down the aisle. A club source said last night 'We don't want to see the arrangement with Sainsbury's scuppered. We believe the contract is pretty watertight but the last thing we want is another court case. We don't want compensation to give up the contract. We do want a new ground with facilities to see us through the 21st Century.' Bristol Rovers are the west;s oldest senior club, dating back to 1883, and truned professional in 1897 - the same year as Bristol City. "For Rovers it is a financial triple whammy just months after losing their Football League status after 93 years of continuous membership." "If true?" How is it a "triple whammy"? Surely losing our league status & this is a double whammy? The second being the loss of income from Bristol rugby.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 13:58:39 GMT
".....or is it just more guessing from a press desperate to sell papers." SSshhhhhhh let's see if we can go for a record number of pages in this latest bitch-fest!? I believe this press release. It sounds about right and is backed up by recent evidence. What evidence BAs? and i dont mean rumours on here i mean hard and fast facts
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Post by GasHeadGaz on Aug 3, 2014 14:00:03 GMT
I believe this press release. It sounds about right and is backed up by recent evidence. What evidence BAs? and i dont mean rumours on here i mean hard and fast facts Waiting with bated breath...
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Post by rovers2 on Aug 3, 2014 14:02:47 GMT
As action speak louder than words why don't Gasheads just boycott Sainsbury's until they clarify their stance? Not with what they are charging for a case of Taste the Difference prosecco. A steal.
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Post by rovers2 on Aug 3, 2014 14:03:49 GMT
I believe this press release. It sounds about right and is backed up by recent evidence. What evidence BAs? and i dont mean rumours on here i mean hard and fast facts What evidence is there that it building is indeed starting in September?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 14:04:52 GMT
As the majority of the posts agree & back up the article, can someone please post a link to said article? It's behind a paywall, unfortunately, cannot be accessed unless you pay a quid.. you lot owe me..excuse typos STORES GROUP DECISION PUTS PIRATES' PLANS IN JEOPARDY Supermarket giants Sainsburys wants to pull the plug on the £20-Million deal to buy Bristol Rovers' ground for a new store. They claim delays and a changing public mood no longer make it viable. For Rovers it is a financial triple whammy just months after losing their Football League status after 93 years of continuous membership. The Pirates are braced, if necessary, to take Sainsbury's to court to protect the contract, which would give them the money to build a new stadium. Prime Minister David Cameron told local MP Charlotte Lesley recently in the commons that he very much hoped the stores group would go ahead with the land purchase, but they have decided it no longer makes commercial sense. When Rovers were relegated to the Conference in the spring, Chairman Nick Higgs promised the plans for the new stadium would still go ahead, although they would be put back a year. The promise was conditional on Sainsbury's still going ahead and providing the money for Rovers to move from the Memorial Stadium. Lawyers on both sides are involved and there have already been two legal skirmishes which have so far gone unreported. Since the banking crisis began, all the domestic stores have seen market share drift away to the German discount Groups Aldi and Lidl. The fear is those customers are unlikelt to come back now because while the recession is officially over, the purse strings are still very tight. Expansion plans throughout the country are being reviewed by the food groups, who are tending to look to establish smaller convenience stores. It is a major crisis for the football club. They have already lost regular rental income from Bristol Rugby, who have left the Mem after 93 years to move in with Bristol City, where their owner, Steve Lansdown is the biggest shareholder and boss. Rovers are facing up to lower revenues as a Non league club but insist their future is still secure. They have a Plan B to improve their present stadium which was agreed with the City Council before Sainsbury's came down the aisle. A club source said last night 'We don't want to see the arrangement with Sainsbury's scuppered. We believe the contract is pretty watertight but the last thing we want is another court case. We don't want compensation to give up the contract. We do want a new ground with facilities to see us through the 21st Century.' Bristol Rovers are the west;s oldest senior club, dating back to 1883, and truned professional in 1897 - the same year as Bristol City. Maybe GR doesnt know all the facts i was told that the Sainsburys costs were nearer 30 million than 20.Have left a message with a friend who is also a reporter on the Independent and is a gashead asking what he knows,am awaiting a reply,when i get it i will post it
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Aug 3, 2014 14:05:06 GMT
Whilst the usual forum suspects all seem happy to blame the BoD what have they actually done wrong? They can hardly be blamed for the fact Sainsbury's have agreed to buy the Mem for £30m market but changes in supermarket spending now suggests they've paid over the odds? Trash & Aldi\Lidl seem the real villians. If Sainsbury's do want to pull out lets hope they make a quick announcement rather than drag this saga out any longer. As action speak louder than words why don't Gasheads just boycott Sainsbury's until they clarify their stance? I can't speak for anyone else, but it isn't the fact Sainsbury's will probably pull out. It's the fact we are continually fed bulls*** from club officials.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 14:06:03 GMT
What evidence BAs? and i dont mean rumours on here i mean hard and fast facts What evidence is there that it building is indeed starting in September? Thats how to avoid giving an answer ,reply with a question of your own,should have been a politicial KIM
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Post by rovers2 on Aug 3, 2014 14:10:07 GMT
If Rovers lawyers say the deal is watertight, and they are wrong, that is not Rovers fault, or indeed NH, that is the lawyers who are wrong, and we could then lodge a claim with the Law Society. Still, it's better to have another go at NH isn't it. He's got many things wrong, but in this regard you have to accept what you're legal team say, as he is no more a lawyer than most of us. I don't think any legal agreements are 'watertight' - that's the sort of phrase used for soundbites rather than legal analysis is my guess. What's more likely is that the agreement is deemed to be enforceable by the parties concerned - or additional parties (eg a court) should a dispute arise if it turns out that it is not enforceable/there is enough wriggle room for Sainsbury's not to follow through with the purchase, and Rovers' lawyers were instructed to provide such, or otherwise suggested to Rovers that it was enforceable, then Rovers could think about making a claim against their lawyers for professional negligence or breach of contract/fiduciary duty Rovers' lawyers would then, I think, put their professional indemnity insurers on notice of a 'circumstance', and then prescribed protocols would be followed I think that the expectation of NH would be that he would instruct lawyers with relevant experience - and I'd be very surprised if he hasn't done. If things have gone a bit wobbly, he might put another firm on notice to review the work done by the existing lawyers, with a view to asking them to lead a future claim against them. But I'd guess that that is somewhere ahead of where things might be at the moment if I were Sainsburys, and I'd changed my mind, I'd probably be asking my lawyer to take a very close look at the contracts, and possibly comment as to future options available - one of which might be to 'buy their way out of it', depending on price At last, some realistic views on the contract. The last watertight thing was the and look what happened to that
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 3, 2014 14:10:29 GMT
How is this reporter so special? How has he got information from the club when they are not allowed to talk to anyone else. They have not named their source. Hopefully this is guess work.
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Post by rovers2 on Aug 3, 2014 14:10:49 GMT
What evidence is there that it building is indeed starting in September? Thats how to avoid giving an answer ,reply with a question of your own,should have been a politicial KIM Only following what you did Brian!
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 3, 2014 14:11:47 GMT
What evidence BAs? and i dont mean rumours on here i mean hard and fast facts What evidence is there that it building is indeed starting in September? We did submit final planning documents recently.
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Post by basel on Aug 3, 2014 14:15:25 GMT
I believe this press release. It sounds about right and is backed up by recent evidence. What evidence BAs? and i dont mean rumours on here i mean hard and fast facts It sounds about right to me,going by the "evidence" as I've posted. "Hard facts?" The board keep those away from supporters,so we are left to go by their record and evidence. There are problems,that we do know because of the delay. The Board have form for telling the truth to supporters,i know this. The UWE statement the other day can not be considered good news. It looked every bit a warning! When the UWE project was announced I thought great,sounds good,i'll give the board another and last chance to actually deliver. All the signs are there that it has gone wrong.It all feels too familiar. If I can be bothered to use my season ticket this season,it might be my last. Like some other Rovers supporters,i'm just about at the end of my tether.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Aug 3, 2014 14:16:34 GMT
Whilst the usual forum suspects all seem happy to blame the BoD what have they actually done wrong? They can hardly be blamed for the fact Sainsbury's have agreed to buy the Mem for £30m market but changes in supermarket spending now suggests they've paid over the odds? Trash & Aldi\Lidl seem the real villians. If Sainsbury's do want to pull out lets hope they make a quick announcement rather than drag this saga out any longer. As action speak louder than words why don't Gasheads just boycott Sainsbury's until they clarify their stance? I think that's right Topper it is not the Board's fault that Sainsburys want to pull out but it will be their fault if they can just walk away with a two fingered salute so lets hope that the contract is watertight as they suggest. If so they will have done the best taht they could for the club. The board are getting it in the neck because people are still massively angry about relegation and the lack of communication (and honesty) from the board on the stadium project. It is vital that they are communicating to us about this article as soon as possible because it is an insult to our intelligence to pretend nothing is wrong.
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Post by basel on Aug 3, 2014 14:18:41 GMT
Whilst the usual forum suspects all seem happy to blame the BoD what have they actually done wrong? They can hardly be blamed for the fact Sainsbury's have agreed to buy the Mem for £30m market but changes in supermarket spending now suggests they've paid over the odds? Trash & Aldi\Lidl seem the real villians. If Sainsbury's do want to pull out lets hope they make a quick announcement rather than drag this saga out any longer. As action speak louder than words why don't Gasheads just boycott Sainsbury's until they clarify their stance? I think that's right Topper it is not the Board's fault that Sainsburys want to pull out but it will be their fault if they can just walk away with a two fingered salute so lets hope that the contract is watertight as they suggest. If so they will have done the best taht they could for the club. The board are getting it in the neck because people are still massively angry about relegation and the lack of communication (and honesty) from the board on the stadium project. It is vital that they are communicating to us about this article as soon as possible because it is an insult to our intelligence to pretend nothing is wrong. For many the "anger " with this board started a few years before relegation out of the FL. This is why many are near the end of their tether. Enough is enough and all that.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 3, 2014 14:28:43 GMT
How is this reporter so special? How has he got information from the club when they are not allowed to talk to anyone else. They have not named their source. Hopefully this is guess work. Who knows but he seems to be the only one reporting legal skirmishes
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Post by basel on Aug 3, 2014 14:33:10 GMT
Kid in a Riot,on otib, predicted Sainsbury wanted out of the deal just the other day. Seems he is right again.
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Post by gas2 on Aug 3, 2014 14:33:50 GMT
investigated journalism or the like ?
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