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Post by weaselsrippedmyflesh on Aug 7, 2014 15:38:57 GMT
How often have we demanded our newspaper journalists dig deeper in pursuit of the truth. Then when one writes something that has taken a bit of investigation he gets vilified for it. You can't win in this game but the mere suggestion that Russell (and I don't know him personally) would write something detrimental to Rovers just because he supports City is laughable. Back in the old days when I used to read the Independent I was always unimpressed with the apparent lack of research that Russell would put into his articles. They frequently contained opinion disguised as fact, and you could pretty much guarantee that any error made would make Rovers look worse rather than better. Doesn't mean this is all untrue, but I certainly wouldn't hold him up as a model of well-researched or unbiased journalism.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 11:43:29 GMT
I think most super rich people want to own a football club because it's a new challenge in a high profile business and a chance for them to pit their wits against people with a similar sporting outlook and the resources to match their ambition.. These people have had to contend with criticism and even sabotage in their rise to the top so they are used to dealing with it. They have probably had clashes with customers, suppliers, employees, unions, the media, lawyers, accountants, government agencies, financiers, pressure groups and others who all at some time or other tried to derail their plans but they overcame those threats and won their battles. But they didn't win by banging on the table at the first sign of trouble and threatening to "take their ball home". Our leaders withdraw into their shell at the first sign of criticism or questioning rather than rising to the challenge and coming forward with confidence and conviction. If this is how they treat us is it likely they have tried to deal with Sainsburys and the UWE in the same way ? When big organizations like Sainsburys and the UWE find someone trying bluster and threats in an attempt to ride roughshod over them what are they likely to do ? They might well let it be known that they won't be taken for fools by speaking directly or indirectly to the media. Or they could do what other directors have done in the last 20 or so years,resign then spend the rest of their life criticising those who are on the board saying what they would do if they were in charge,but wait a minute they werre at one stage
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Post by whoisjamieshore on Aug 8, 2014 11:54:37 GMT
I don't really know why I'm arguing with you Curly Wurly because obviously you are an expert on newspaper and journalists. My whole point, though, is that Graham Russell is not a sensational journalist - certainly not a Woodward or Bernstein - and will rarely go out on a limb. If he was a "Daily Star" type reporter (obviously a dig in there somewhere) he would be working for the Daily Star and not the Sunday Independent that, quite frankly, hasn't got a pot to "p**s" in and would do everything in its power to avoid publishing something that could possibly attract legal action. Some people on here bloody amaze me. How often have we demanded our newspaper journalists dig deeper in pursuit of the truth. Then when one writes something that has taken a bit of investigation he gets vilified for it. You can't win in this game but the mere suggestion that Russell (and I don't know him personally) would write something detrimental to Rovers just because he supports City is laughable. No but he might to sell papers, after all that is his job! Just to put this 'to sell newspapers' thing to bed, the article was not trailed anywhere on either the front or rear of the paper, it appeared as an article inside. Surely, if this was a scoop designed to sell more the story would have been bashed all over the front page - unless you bought the paper, you would not have known it was there...
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Post by lockleazer on Aug 8, 2014 12:01:54 GMT
No but he might to sell papers, after all that is his job! Just to put this 'to sell newspapers' thing to bed, the article was not trailed anywhere on either the front or rear of the paper, it appeared as an article inside. Surely, if this was a scoop designed to sell more the story would have been bashed all over the front page - unless you bought the paper, you would not have known it was there... You would think if there was any evidence of truth (and proof) of the story the other locals would have ran with it on a bigger scale, the fact that such a possible big story was left tucked away inside a paper that barely anyone reads must mean something... was it leaked in this way a a softener for the big blow of bad news of the whole thing being dropped or was it just a bloke in a pub told his mate type of story with no credible source and no factual evidence? or some other reason that someone maybe aware of?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 12:16:45 GMT
Think thats where GR gets most of his stories,i remember years ago his scoop was that Gloucester were signing an Australian fast bowler called Proctor,he didnt even check where the player was coming from or his nationality,he hasnt changed,get a whisper that has not factual evidence to back it up and produce a headline story
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Post by basel on Aug 13, 2014 17:01:30 GMT
Only 6 weeks until the Summer is definately over,in name at least.
Builders at the ready.
Or not.
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Post by matealotblue on Aug 13, 2014 19:23:54 GMT
Only 6 weeks until the Summer is definately over,in name at least. Builders at the ready. Or not. Most likely outcome.
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Post by onedaytheuwe on Aug 13, 2014 20:14:43 GMT
Although: we should know either way in the next few months. If Sainsburys want to start demolising the MEM then April / May 2016 would be the first possible time. Therefore: I would say around October 2014 would be the latest contracts could be signed. SG council would give around 8-10 weeks start date with the UWE work commencing around January 2015. This would leave around 16-17 months for it to be completed by June 2016.
We all know IF there is NO news at all in the few months. We would of loss another year and 2017 beyond is a pipedream.
So not long folks either way I would say 2 months maybe 3 for a yes or no decision ...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2014 21:05:09 GMT
Hopefully it's a big fat no. Who ever heard of a Non league club with a new 22000 seater stadium. Time to forget this stadium nonsense and concentrate on football matters. The only thing that matters to this club should be regaining FL status...I don't want to be supporting the club with the biggest and best stadium in the Western League
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Aug 26, 2014 12:46:07 GMT
I HAVE seen what he has to say that is why I started this thread! If you think no one else should comment unless they have also read the article directly you should practice what you preach and go and buy the bloody paper! Whether you like the author or not (because he is a s***head) the Sunday Independent is the only paper worth buying now if you want an insight into what is going on in local sport. The jounalists that cover us (Richard Latham is the other) always give us more than what was said by the manager or chairman and are not frightened to stand up to the board as Latham did a few weeks ago for them failing to meet with the supporters soon enough after relegation. Anyway, I've paraphrased the main points for you in the first post and given a direct quote in another post if thats not good enough get off your arse and buy the paper. In the meantime the rest of us can debate the very worrying inference. A rather more aggressive response than I had anticipated!. The Sunday Independent is not available within 60 miles of where I live, so it is more than getting off my arse to buy it. I since found it is available on line, but in truth, I suspect their motive of publishing the story in their last edition before the season starts isbto get gasheads like us to pay the subscription. I have got nothing against any debate on thesubject, but many of the contributions on here had obviously jumped to a premature conclusion. Yeah course they did. Now can we please concentrate on actions rather than the words of Higgs. The author of this article in the Sunday Independent on 3rd August obviously felt confident to put the news that Sainsburys wanted out in the public domain which as it goes was 2 weeks after the writ we have seen today was issued. Before this we had MPs writing to Sainsburys urging them not to pull out. Yet in this thread there are all the wise monkies with their heads in the sand and fingers in their ears. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Wake Up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 12:55:30 GMT
Two legal battles on our hands now.Sainsbury's and the Wycombe fiasco which seems to have died a death.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Aug 26, 2014 13:41:20 GMT
A rather more aggressive response than I had anticipated!. The Sunday Independent is not available within 60 miles of where I live, so it is more than getting off my arse to buy it. I since found it is available on line, but in truth, I suspect their motive of publishing the story in their last edition before the season starts isbto get gasheads like us to pay the subscription. I have got nothing against any debate on thesubject, but many of the contributions on here had obviously jumped to a premature conclusion. Yeah course they did. Now can we please concentrate on actions rather than the words of Higgs. The author of this article in the Sunday Independent on 3rd August obviously felt confident to put the news that Sainsburys wanted out in the public domain which as it goes was 2 weeks after the writ we have seen today was issued. Before this we had MPs writing to Sainsburys urging them not to pull out. Yet in this thread there are all the wise monkies with their heads in the sand and fingers in their ears. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Wake Up. One up to you mate.........see you at the Mem for the next 40 years.
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Post by rovers2 on Aug 26, 2014 13:51:23 GMT
An interesting thread to read again. Board bashers or realists, anyone?
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