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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 23:30:42 GMT
My views are pretty irrelevant because I am not a member of your club but I really think it hard to trust Sainsbury in such matters. It's not entirely their fault (perhaps) because like all the majors they are in a period of upheaval on how to cope with the rise of Aldi et al. Sainsbury of course are bringing back Netto to cope! Although clearly a brilliant new stadium would be a feather in the cap of your club I just wonder what would happen with it if you have the misfortune to be stuck in the Conference for a few seasons. That size of stadium would at best be incongruous given the attendances and the away support of the Conference and I just wonder how much sponsorship of real value you would be able to attract given that nearly all clubs in the Football League are finding it harder and harder to get sponsorship. I've no idea what the running costs of your new stadium would be but I just wonder, in your current circumstances, whether if it goes ahead it will actually be "the answer" that many people hope for. I understand the long term planning approach but I wonder whether there is a bit of "seduction" involved in the importance of this all singing/dancing stadium. Most lower league clubs, including those reasonably successful, are reporting falling attendances or lack of growth of attendance and many will say it is getting harder and harder to fill those corporate boxes. Officially the economy is on the up of course but I really don't think there is much evidence of that on the ground. I think the stadium deal is brilliant as conceived but I just wonder whether time has moved on a bit? I have no knowledge of the Bristol circumstances but it seems a very big stadium to me with, presumably, proportionate running costs. I don't know why but when I read your posts I just think of stewie Campbell effin you up with a 35 yard stinker in the play offs! Oh happy times, that's all I have left you know!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 2:43:35 GMT
Maybe I'm the only one, but I think it's a good little story. UWE let everyone know exactly where they stand, either Rovers pay for the stadium or it doesn't happen, and they have a Plan B. Clear communication, where's the problem? There was a rumour that UWE may build a scaled down stadium / athletics facility, but this statement makes it clear that won't be happening. If everybody gave statements that were as clear and unambiguous as this we would have a lot less to gossip about, but we would all know exactly where we stood. My thoughts also. Questions like "Why did local MPs feel the need to get involved" "Why has the UWE felt the need to make a public statement" "Why did Justin King caveat the commitment to the deal in commercial terms if his company was locked, tightly, into a commercial contract which had no room for caveats and opt outs" And then there is our lot..........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 2:47:39 GMT
Great minds think a like, i posted much the same a few posts up ! He is another member of the secret society with a hidden agenda Rubbish. No secret societies or hidden agendas, just people who want to comment honestly and openly about the club, what's good and what's not so good, that includes how they feel about the performance of the BoD. We are now a non-League club remember, football people up and down the country are looking and asking how Rovers, with their support base, have managed to finish 91st out of 92 clubs, and have run up record losses achieving it. Of course the board are being criticised. They have an awful lot of work to do to gain back trust and respect, and I think they know that. It looks to me like you would have fitted in nicely at Salem. It is unbelievable rubbish, but that last sentence made me laugh
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 6:20:38 GMT
Great minds think a like, i posted much the same a few posts up ! He is another member of the secret society with a hidden agenda Rubbish. No secret societies or hidden agendas, just people who want to comment honestly and openly about the club, what's good and what's not so good, that includes how they feel about the performance of the BoD. We are now a non-League club remember, football people up and down the country are looking and asking how Rovers, with their support base, have managed to finish 91st out of 92 clubs, and have run up record losses achieving it. Of course the board are being criticised. They have an awful lot of work to do to gain back trust and respect, and I think they know that. It looks to me like you would have fitted in nicely at Salem. That's my Middle name Bamber Yes i do have relatives in Massachusetts as well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 6:52:49 GMT
You're talking bulls***, no one has criticised them for attempting to have it built. A bit harsh that, and also untrue. Pretty much spot on I thought. Still pmsl over your Nihilist rant. Power to the people. Remember,if you listen to fools,The Mob Rules lol.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 31, 2014 7:22:47 GMT
My views are pretty irrelevant because I am not a member of your club but I really think it hard to trust Sainsbury in such matters. It's not entirely their fault (perhaps) because like all the majors they are in a period of upheaval on how to cope with the rise of Aldi et al. Sainsbury of course are bringing back Netto to cope! Although clearly a brilliant new stadium would be a feather in the cap of your club I just wonder what would happen with it if you have the misfortune to be stuck in the Conference for a few seasons. That size of stadium would at best be incongruous given the attendances and the away support of the Conference and I just wonder how much sponsorship of real value you would be able to attract given that nearly all clubs in the Football League are finding it harder and harder to get sponsorship. I've no idea what the running costs of your new stadium would be but I just wonder, in your current circumstances, whether if it goes ahead it will actually be "the answer" that many people hope for. I understand the long term planning approach but I wonder whether there is a bit of "seduction" involved in the importance of this all singing/dancing stadium. Most lower league clubs, including those reasonably successful, are reporting falling attendances or lack of growth of attendance and many will say it is getting harder and harder to fill those corporate boxes. Officially the economy is on the up of course but I really don't think there is much evidence of that on the ground. I think the stadium deal is brilliant as conceived but I just wonder whether time has moved on a bit? I have no knowledge of the Bristol circumstances but it seems a very big stadium to me with, presumably, proportionate running costs. Perhaps members of our BoD are having similar thoughts but not saying so in public, the stadium is supposed to be self funding when built but that is hard to believe.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 7:39:41 GMT
Maybe I'm the only one, but I think it's a good little story. UWE let everyone know exactly where they stand, either Rovers pay for the stadium or it doesn't happen, and they have a Plan B. Clear communication, where's the problem? There was a rumour that UWE may build a scaled down stadium / athletics facility, but this statement makes it clear that won't be happening. If everybody gave statements that were as clear and unambiguous as this we would have a lot less to gossip about, but we would all know exactly where we stood. My thoughts also. Questions like "Why did local MPs feel the need to get involved" "Why has the UWE felt the need to make a public statement" "Why did Justin King caveat the commitment to the deal in commercial terms if his company was locked, tightly, into a commercial contract which had no room for caveats and opt outs" And then there is our lot.......... The other thing that's interesting about it is that UWE don't seem to be tied up in confidentiality aggreements in the same was as Sainbury's and Rovers? Your comment about Justin King is spot on.
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Post by PeterHooper57 on Jul 31, 2014 8:18:44 GMT
To be honest, I am not surprised Steve West saying he would rather build a faculty block; i am also not surprised Justin King saying Sainsburys are committed to Bristol, but not going onto commit Sainsburys to buying the MEM. Both parties are obviously getting fed up with Higgs and co. They realise our BOD are not able to fund the deal. Higgs seems unable to make the deal happen. So I would not be surprised if the UWE also walk away from the Project and simply expand the Business School and build their own car park. You can not blame them. My prediction is if the Project is not started by the end of September then it will not happen. UTG Can't beat a good bit of board bashing first thing makes you feel so much better for the rest of the day Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story TBH it is all about opinions; yours differs from mine, the only constant is not about how I feel, but what time will tell us both. Personally I would love, Higgs, Geoff and Boycie to deliver the new stadium, will they, ***** knows, what is fact I used to travel all over the country, probably like yourself, watching the rovers play some good sides, next season, it aint going to be so great in the conference. Am I happy in the morning, TBH, I am not, in fact I am generally ****** off with whats happening to our club; as I said only time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:05:11 GMT
The paper is an embarrassment. McNamara and Stockhausen are beyond useless as well. JM did not have anything to do with that article and when i contacted him he said it was a non story on a slow news week to try to sell more papers.If you speak to James you will find he is at the training ground every day and then the mem to chase up any new activities that may be in the pipeline.I think the namea and accusations made on here about him are disgusting and unfair on a man doing his job as well as he can.A lot of the errors in his stories are also down to what used to be called the typecaster
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 31, 2014 15:28:49 GMT
The paper is an embarrassment. McNamara and Stockhausen are beyond useless as well. JM did not have anything to do with that article and when i contacted him he said it was a non story on a slow news week to try to sell more papers.If you speak to James you will find he is at the training ground every day and then the mem to chase up any new activities that may be in the pipeline.I think the namea and accusations made on here about him are disgusting and unfair on a man doing his job as well as he can.A lot of the errors in his stories are also down to what used to be called the typecaster Just out of interest Padstow do the club have daily meetings with the press? As you say JM has to go to the training ground and Mem to chase up any new activities. When I was involved with the Football Writers Association writers told me they had regular meetings with a lot of clubs and it seems an easy way to get publicity. I know some clubs hate having to speak to the Press but the writers are hungry for genuine copy.....
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Post by brizzle on Jul 31, 2014 15:45:40 GMT
The paper is an embarrassment. McNamara and Stockhausen are beyond useless as well. JM did not have anything to do with that article and when i contacted him he said it was a non story on a slow news week to try to sell more papers.If you speak to James you will find he is at the training ground every day and then the mem to chase up any new activities that may be in the pipeline.I think the namea and accusations made on here about him are disgusting and unfair on a man doing his job as well as he can. A lot of the errors in his stories are also down to what used to be called the typecasterSo what are they called nowadays, padstow? After spending a lifetime (well almost . . . but it was a very long time) in the Composing Rooms of the Bristol Evening Post and Western Daily Press, I can assure you all that the stories that you may have heard about printers inserting and/or deleting certain words or letters, in an attempt to make something or other amusing are all (relatively) quite true. Producing the Green 'Un on a Saturday evening was a gas, if you'll pardon the pun. But to get to the point, when the employers in the provincial press (and the owners of the Bristol United Press were in the vanguard of that movement, and amongst the most determined) decided to cut out the members of the NGA, SOGAT and NATSOPA and make them (forcibly) redundant, the result was that the members of the NUJ became responsible for inputting their own copy. This absolved the now redundant members of the NGA from any blame for the presentation of their copy, surely? Unless the system has changed, and I'm quite certain that it hasn't, JM and all of his mates input their own copy, so what you see on the printed page is exactly what the author intended. And by the way the correct expression that you were looking for when you posted typecaster was either compositor, or typesetter. Of that I am 100% certain.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:47:11 GMT
I would assume that is still the case,but JM likes to talk to others as well to get a more balanced view
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 15:52:29 GMT
JM did not have anything to do with that article and when i contacted him he said it was a non story on a slow news week to try to sell more papers.If you speak to James you will find he is at the training ground every day and then the mem to chase up any new activities that may be in the pipeline.I think the namea and accusations made on here about him are disgusting and unfair on a man doing his job as well as he can. A lot of the errors in his stories are also down to what used to be called the typecasterSo what are they called nowadays, padstow? After spending a lifetime (well almost . . . but it was a very long time) in the Composing Rooms of the Bristol Evening Post and Western Daily Press, I can assure you all that the stories that you may have heard about printers inserting and/or deleting certain words or letters, in an attempt to make something or other amusing are all (relatively) quite true. Producing the Green 'Un on a Saturday evening was a gas, if you'll pardon the pun. But to get to the point, when the employers in the provincial press (and the owners of the Bristol United Press were in the vanguard of that movement, and amongst the most determined) decided to cut out the members of the NGA, SOGAT and NATSOPA and make them (forcibly) redundant, the result was that the members of the NUJ became responsible for inputting their own copy. This absolved the now redundant members of the NGA from any blame for the presentation of their copy, surely? Unless the system has changed, and I'm quite certain that it hasn't, JM and all of his mates input their own copy, so what you see on the printed page is exactly what the author intended. And by the way the correct expression that you were looking for when you posted typecaster was either compositor, or typesetter. Of that I am 100% certain. Thanks for the correction on that,apparently what happen now is that they send reports to the main office and it is then transferred to the what used to be called printing press so there is plenty of room for typographic errors,i have seen a few of Jame,s reports that he sent off and seen the final edition and there were some glaring differences.I was offered a job on the old WDP when i was released from the club i was playing for and was looking for a way of getting some money but didnt fancy nights
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Post by brizzle on Jul 31, 2014 16:27:13 GMT
So what are they called nowadays, padstow? After spending a lifetime (well almost . . . but it was a very long time) in the Composing Rooms of the Bristol Evening Post and Western Daily Press, I can assure you all that the stories that you may have heard about printers inserting and/or deleting certain words or letters, in an attempt to make something or other amusing are all (relatively) quite true. Producing the Green 'Un on a Saturday evening was a gas, if you'll pardon the pun. But to get to the point, when the employers in the provincial press (and the owners of the Bristol United Press were in the vanguard of that movement, and amongst the most determined) decided to cut out the members of the NGA, SOGAT and NATSOPA and make them (forcibly) redundant, the result was that the members of the NUJ became responsible for inputting their own copy. This absolved the now redundant members of the NGA from any blame for the presentation of their copy, surely? Unless the system has changed, and I'm quite certain that it hasn't, JM and all of his mates input their own copy, so what you see on the printed page is exactly what the author intended. And by the way the correct expression that you were looking for when you posted typecaster was either compositor, or typesetter. Of that I am 100% certain. Thanks for the correction on that,apparently what happen now is that they send reports to the main office and it is then transferred to the what used to be called printing press so there is plenty of room for typographic errors,i have seen a few of Jame,s reports that he sent off and seen the final edition and there were some glaring differences.I was offered a job on the old WDP when i was released from the club i was playing for and was looking for a way of getting some money but didnt fancy nights I'm not saying for one moment that what you're saying is incorrect padstow, but as the concept of ''direct input'' dictates that there is nothing between the journalist and the printing press, I'm surprised that the employers should introduce a buffer between the two. Rather a waste of the employers efforts in making thousands of print workers redundant, wouldn't you say?
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Post by rovers2 on Jul 31, 2014 16:35:32 GMT
. A lot of the errors in his stories are also down to what used to be called the typecasterSo what are they called nowadays, padstow? Productive sex..... Sorry that should read predictive text.
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Post by brizzle on Jul 31, 2014 17:37:10 GMT
I would assume that is still the case,but JM likes to talk to others as well to get a more balanced view Just to clarify then, we both agree that JM et al are responsible for inputting their own copy into the system. That being the case, whatever they input is exactly what is printed, as they have bypassed all the other departments of production. In effect they fulfill all the functions of production from producing their written copy through all the origination departments, and directly to the plate makers department. But with all respect to yourself, I fail to see how ''JM talking to others as well to get a more balanced view,'' has any impact on the production process. Surely the talking to others side of it comes first, and has no impact on what follows later on?
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Post by alfie on Aug 1, 2014 6:51:01 GMT
Gas on the front page of the Evening Post this morning, and it is no laughing matter, either.
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Post by Dutchgas on Aug 1, 2014 7:04:36 GMT
Gas on the front page of the Evening Post this morning, and it is no laughing matter, either. What's the story then Alfie?
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Post by lockleazer on Aug 1, 2014 8:04:39 GMT
Gas on the front page of the Evening Post this morning, and it is no laughing matter, either. What's the story then Alfie? Youngsters loving the gas is on the rise
Growing numbers of young people in the Bristol area are inhaling canisters of gas to get legal highs. Thousands of the two-and-a-half-inch metal canisters can be found discarded on pavements, and parks and play areas all over the city. Before they were emptied, each one contained nitrous oxide, also known as laughing gas. They are legally on sale because they are used with dispensers for propelling whipped cream. But youngsters discharge them into balloons and inhale the gas. Sometimes called "hippy crack", use of the gas has been spiralling over the last five years. But health experts say it can cause serious damage to lungs and – in rare cases – even death, as the brain is starved of oxygen. Sales of the tiny gas canisters are reported to be increasing. They are widely available in shops across the Bristol area and online, where many purchases are made. The Bristol Post found them for sale over the counter in four shops in Gloucester Road alone. They are sold in boxes of 24, meaning one can cost as little as 30p. At some festivals and nightclubs, balloons filled with the gas are sold for up to £3 a go. It is illegal to buy the gas if you are under 18 but it is widely reported that youngsters as young as 16 are getting hold of them as a cheap high. Avon and Somerset Police drugs expert Steve Dorant said the force was aware of a growing trend in use of nitrous oxide in Bristol. But he said the force's "hands are tied" as there is little or no regulation to stem its use. He said: "We are aware of an increase and we have been working to raise awareness. "There is nothing to indicate the drug's use is any more prevalent in Bristol than in other cities in the UK, where it is also used regularly." Nationally, an estimated 470,000 people used nitrous oxide as a drug last year – a rise of almost a quarter on the previous year. It has been used medically as a painkiller in hospitals – particularly for women in labour – and at dentists for many years. Apart from medical use, they were only previously found in restaurant and hotel kitchens for dispensing whipped cream. Only one of the four shops found selling the canisters on Gloucester Road had warnings about its misuse on display. People are known to have died after taking laughing gas, but coroners have stopped short of attributing any deaths in the UK directly to it. However, minor accidents are common during the 30-second dizzy spell brought on by using the drug. At least one person who used the drug is reported to have died. The Post has reported in the past that laughing gas is commonly found being used in St Andrew's Park, on the Durdham Downs and on Brandon Hill, mostly by groups of young people. Tim Borrett, a Bristol City Council spokesperson, said: "We are aware of a recent increase in the use of nitrous oxide as a legal high. "Whilst we have no powers to tackle the issue, our advice would always be to avoid so-called legal highs. "Being legal to possess does not mean they are safe. "In fact, the unregulated nature of many legal highs means you can't always be sure what's in them or if they'll be harmful. "Even if they only contain what you think they contain, the effects can impair your judgement and put you at risk. "Users really are gambling with their health." THE canisters are legal to buy and inhale. An offence could be committed if the gas is supplied to a minor in the knowledge they were going to use the canisters for inhalation. The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency is responsible for regulating medical grade nitrous oxide, but is not "set up" to prosecute for sales of whipped cream dispenser charges often used for laughing gas. Mr Dorant said he was not aware of any prosecutions relating to laughing gas in his last 12 months with the force. He added: "There is an increased awareness about nitrous oxide. The force is working with partner agencies to see what action can be taken but our hands are pretty much ties in terms of legislation." Read more: www.bristolpost.co.uk/Growing-numbers-young-people-Bristol-inhaling/story-22048231-detail/story.html#ixzz397qnPGKhRead more at www.bristolpost.co.uk/Growing-numbers-young-people-Bristol-inhaling/story-22048231-detail/story.html#2ZBh3KDvhjZU6jBh.99
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 1, 2014 8:04:47 GMT
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