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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 5, 2017 20:17:00 GMT
And the question is then, why are they continuing to spend money? The question I ask you is Would you be taking the same stance if it was the previous custodians doing the same thing Not sure I am defending The Al-Qadis per se. I have said there are questions to answer and they will have to show some cards sooner or later. All I am doing is to trying to reconcile the many statements of they/Hani doesnt want to be here, or spend any money and we are approaching a 'credit limit' with the fact that they continue to spend money and talk a out spending money when they could disappear into the background and not spend anymore outside of the FC requiements
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 20:34:33 GMT
I am not suggesting they are here for the long haul, only that there are a finite number of options of what they can do if borrowing/investment (delete as you wish) exceeds the value of assets
As Dwane Colony has bought the land for The training ground, whatever happens there surely cannot be tied to anything to do with 1883 Ltd
But surely both Steve Hamer and Wael Al-Qadi both recently confirmed that Dwane Sports were here for the long haul. Do you think they were being disingenuous? Wael also said something along the lines of, in business you never know what can happen.
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Post by vaughan on Dec 5, 2017 20:37:19 GMT
AMPG - That's the article.
A new stadium is a must, but is it on Hani's charts?
Some of the arguments on here have been wide of the mark.
I am not lying awake at night worrying about the sale of the ground. I am concerned that the only chance of moving forward (A new stadium is a must) has disappeared down the Dead Pan Hani.
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Post by PessimistGas on Dec 5, 2017 20:42:26 GMT
i have simply stated facts there Padstow. I do not know what Dwane Sports intentions are, only that there are only a finite number of options available to them, including a worst case scenario for us as fans of BRFC Whatever happens, they cant get paid more for something, than someone is willing to pay if debt/borrowing whatever anyone wants to call it is greater than that asset can they? Hence they won't allow the debt to grow more than the worth of the mem and we are getting close to that figure Shouldn't be long to wait for the fireworks then.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 6, 2017 6:52:44 GMT
AMPG - That's the article. A new stadium is a must, but is it on Hani's charts? Some of the arguments on here have been wide of the mark. I am not lying awake at night worrying about the sale of the ground. I am concerned that the only chance of moving forward (A new stadium is a must) has disappeared down the Dead Pan Hani.For now
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 12:05:49 GMT
In all this, surely, is the reality of the viability of football clubs at this level. Living within our means most likely a league position of League 1 at best. Given that how do clubs motivate fans to keep coming along? I don't pretend to know the answer but for fans to keep "baying" for high net worth individuals to fund their aspirations appears puerile, at best.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 12:17:56 GMT
In all this, surely, is the reality of the viability of football clubs at this level. Living within our means most likely a league position of League 1 at best. Given that how do clubs motivate fans to keep coming along? I don't pretend to know the answer but for fans to keep "baying" for high net worth individuals to fund their aspirations appears puerile, at best. that was the thing though, the uwe was meant to fund their aspirations, unless you get a lansdown [ who is trying to make their stadium pay ] to fund the club
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 6, 2017 12:24:03 GMT
In all this, surely, is the reality of the viability of football clubs at this level. Living within our means most likely a league position of League 1 at best. Given that how do clubs motivate fans to keep coming along? I don't pretend to know the answer but for fans to keep "baying" for high net worth individuals to fund their aspirations appears puerile, at best. With all due respect. No-one (well certainly not me) is "baying for a high net worth individual" to fund our aspirations. If you want puerile comments - I believe they are available on other Forums. All I am asking for is that the owners be honest with the fans - and give a realistic, sustainable vision of the future. We've been spun a crock of sh*t since the collapse of UWE. Some people just don't want to believe that the Al-Qadi's aren't the fairy godmother we once thought they were. If Wael just fronted up and told us the truth - you know what - most Gas would accept it. Even it was very unpalatable. Disappointment I can deal with. Being treated like a mug, I cannot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 12:28:35 GMT
In all this, surely, is the reality of the viability of football clubs at this level. Living within our means most likely a league position of League 1 at best. Given that how do clubs motivate fans to keep coming along? I don't pretend to know the answer but for fans to keep "baying" for high net worth individuals to fund their aspirations appears puerile, at best. With all due respect. No-one (well certainly not me) is "baying for a high net worth individual" to fund our aspirations. If you want puerile comments - I believe they are available on other Forums. All I am asking for is that the owners be honest with the fans - and give a realistic, sustainable vision of the future. We've been spun a crock of sh*t since the collapse of UWE. Some people just don't want to believe that the Al-Qadi's aren't the fairy godmother we once thought they were. If Wael just fronted up and told us the truth - you know what - most Gas would accept it. Even it was very unpalatable. Disappointment I can deal with. Being treated like a mug, I cannot. in a nutshell
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 12:31:26 GMT
In all this, surely, is the reality of the viability of football clubs at this level. Living within our means most likely a league position of League 1 at best. Given that how do clubs motivate fans to keep coming along? I don't pretend to know the answer but for fans to keep "baying" for high net worth individuals to fund their aspirations appears puerile, at best. that was the thing though, the uwe was meant to fund their aspirations, unless you get a lansdown [ who is trying to make their stadium pay ] to fund the club Was it? Personally I had serious doubts that the UWE (as funded) would deliver the aspirations of anyone. Secondly, do we really know what the aspirations of the owners truly were?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 12:38:05 GMT
With all due respect. No-one (well certainly not me) is "baying for a high net worth individual" to fund our aspirations. If you want puerile comments - I believe they are available on other Forums. All I am asking for is that the owners be honest with the fans - and give a realistic, sustainable vision of the future. We've been spun a crock of sh*t since the collapse of UWE. Some people just don't want to believe that the Al-Qadi's aren't the fairy godmother we once thought they were. If Wael just fronted up and told us the truth - you know what - most Gas would accept it. Even it was very unpalatable. Disappointment I can deal with. Being treated like a mug, I cannot. in a nutshell Epping Perhaps, you personally, were not. But the amount of flack being thrown at the owners for not delivering on a project where the finances were unproven, has been remarkable. Most demand commitment as open ended and in contradiction to any form of business logic. It appears to me that the business plan put forward for Board (family) Approval as a basis for the funding of the takeover has not been realised. Now they either planned poorly, did not carry out effective due diligence, or just took a punt. Frankly if any of that is right do you really expect them to admit it? No, they will try and muddle through and get out when they can. Where does that leave the club? In the same position as when they took over. Teetering on the abyss.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 6, 2017 12:50:18 GMT
Epping Perhaps, you personally, were not. But the amount of flack being thrown at the owners for not delivering on a project where the finances were unproven, has been remarkable. Most demand commitment as open ended and in contradiction to any form of business logic. It appears to me that the business plan put forward for Board (family) Approval as a basis for the funding of the takeover has not been realised. Now they either planned poorly, did not carry out effective due diligence, or just took a punt. Frankly if any of that is right do you really expect them to admit it? No, they will try and muddle through and get out when they can. Where does that leave the club? In the same position as when they took over. Teetering on the abyss. For an intelligent businessman Wael Al-Qadi has massively over-promised and delivered f*ck all. That is why (most) people are angry. Management of expectation and all that. The only way for the owners to regain credibility - is yes - to admit mistakes were made and be honest. Absolutely 100% agree - a mixture of one or all of the following: poor planning / lack of due diligence / taking a punt. The "muddling though period" (4 months of it now, getting kind of tired of it) is painful to watch and insults our intelligence. Damn right - we are still teetering on the abyss. At least you have a very decent cider house to go to to drown your sorrows. I only get Aspalls in Essex.
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 6, 2017 13:24:59 GMT
that was the thing though, the uwe was meant to fund their aspirations, unless you get a lansdown [ who is trying to make their stadium pay ] to fund the club Was it? Personally I had serious doubts that the UWE (as funded) would deliver the aspirations of anyone. Secondly, do we really know what the aspirations of the owners truly were? Exactly.
Where is the evidence that UWE actually mad financial sense under NH or The Al-Qadi's.
The amount of cutbacks I was recently told about that NH was trying to push through if they were true, would never have benefited Rovers.
UWE has always hinged on having the right amount of money with little or no margin for error and under The Al-Qadi's I guess a 3 way split between stadium debt repayment, UWE and BRFC actually having money left over must have been a difficult balance as well
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 6, 2017 13:25:00 GMT
Epping Perhaps, you personally, were not. But the amount of flack being thrown at the owners for not delivering on a project where the finances were unproven, has been remarkable. Most demand commitment as open ended and in contradiction to any form of business logic. It appears to me that the business plan put forward for Board (family) Approval as a basis for the funding of the takeover has not been realised. Now they either planned poorly, did not carry out effective due diligence, or just took a punt. Frankly if any of that is right do you really expect them to admit it? No, they will try and muddle through and get out when they can. Where does that leave the club? In the same position as when they took over. Teetering on the abyss. For an intelligent businessman Wael Al-Qadi has massively over-promised and delivered f*ck all. That is why (most) people are angry. Management of expectation and all that. The only way for the owners to regain credibility - is yes - to admit mistakes were made and be honest. Absolutely 100% agree - a mixture of one or all of the following: poor planning / lack of due diligence / taking a punt. The "muddling though period" (4 months of it now, getting kind of tired of it) is painful to watch and insults our intelligence.Damn right - we are still teetering on the abyss. At least you have a very decent cider house to go to to drown your sorrows. I only get Aspalls in Essex. Did anybody die because of this "Muddling Period" We just have to wait and see, because as fans we have no control over the their next move
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Post by harrybuckle on Dec 6, 2017 14:22:55 GMT
If we sale in January DC, Bodin,Harrison and Locks for £6m will fans be happy ..get Mansell in as manager and put Dunwald up top with Moore and Broadbent replacing them.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 6, 2017 14:26:16 GMT
AMPG - That's the article. A new stadium is a must, but is it on Hani's charts? Some of the arguments on here have been wide of the mark. I am not lying awake at night worrying about the sale of the ground. I am concerned that the only chance of moving forward (A new stadium is a must) has disappeared down the Dead Pan Hani.For now Ian, igs very frustrating to read your many cryptic posts. You say for now but you also say that you only know someone in planning so can you add some meat to the bones or are you just leaving it at that ? I ask as these kind of posts only get many to think of more bizarre, some not, things that clukd be happening. My understanding is that planning for what was supposed to be a grade 2 academy would never habe got planning but I’m often wrong so how long is for now then mate ?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 6, 2017 14:29:54 GMT
In all this, surely, is the reality of the viability of football clubs at this level. Living within our means most likely a league position of League 1 at best. Given that how do clubs motivate fans to keep coming along? I don't pretend to know the answer but for fans to keep "baying" for high net worth individuals to fund their aspirations appears puerile, at best. Not when el presidente made such a show of telling us these things woukd happen it’s not, I was full of the joys of spring when the owners arrived and made near promises of much chanabe and was led to believe it would be within around 5 years and I was happy to go with that but now all we get is this will take some time. Is that peurile fella ?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 6, 2017 14:37:48 GMT
Ian, igs very frustrating to read your many cryptic posts. You say for now but you also say that you only know someone in planning so can you add some meat to the bones or are you just leaving it at that ? I ask as these kind of posts only get many to think of more bizarre, some not, things that clukd be happening. My understanding is that planning for what was supposed to be a grade 2 academy would never habe got planning but I’m often wrong so how long is for now then mate ? UWE is a dead duck my good friend, even the planning people accept this now. The colony has PP to at least start the development with some buildings and pitches. The academy side of things i would guess is Phase 2 of the development which is the big money... Note sure what phase 3 involves yet No Plans have been submitted so far but discovery meetings are on going and no formal dates have been logged with the Planning people yet.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 6, 2017 14:43:51 GMT
In all this, surely, is the reality of the viability of football clubs at this level. Living within our means most likely a league position of League 1 at best. Given that how do clubs motivate fans to keep coming along? I don't pretend to know the answer but for fans to keep "baying" for high net worth individuals to fund their aspirations appears puerile, at best. With all due respect. No-one (well certainly not me) is "baying for a high net worth individual" to fund our aspirations. If you want puerile comments - I believe they are available on other Forums. All I am asking for is that the owners be honest with the fans - and give a realistic, sustainable vision of the future. We've been spun a crock of sh*t since the collapse of UWE. Some people just don't want to believe that the Al-Qadi's aren't the fairy godmother we once thought they were. If Wael just fronted up and told us the truth - you know what - most Gas would accept it. Even it was very unpalatable. Disappointment I can deal with. Being treated like a mug, I cannot. That is so spot on. We are and have proven ourselves to be a very forgiving bunch and I am still stunned we get the crowds we do. If only WAQ could persuade dead pan Hani of the potential then maybe he would change tack but I fear he has very firmly made his decision. January is going to be a huge pivotal point as I called my friend up, after reading padstow talk of 4 leaving and I had that basically repeated. It woukd seem a few are certainly looking elsewhere. My belief is DC is one of them but hope I am wrong.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 6, 2017 14:48:36 GMT
Ian, igs very frustrating to read your many cryptic posts. You say for now but you also say that you only know someone in planning so can you add some meat to the bones or are you just leaving it at that ? I ask as these kind of posts only get many to think of more bizarre, some not, things that clukd be happening. My understanding is that planning for what was supposed to be a grade 2 academy would never habe got planning but I’m often wrong so how long is for now then mate ? UWE is a dead duck my good friend, even the planning people accept this now. The colony has PP to at least start the development with some buildings and pitches. The academy side of things i would guess is Phase 2 of the development which is the big money... Note sure what phase 3 involves yet No Plans have been submitted so far but discovery meetings are on going and no formal dates have been logged with the Planning people yet. Thank you big man. Much appreciated
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