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Post by The Concept on May 27, 2017 11:19:30 GMT
"Saturday 3pm - 50 eternal delights of modern football." - Daniel Gray.
Football may well be 'The Beautiful Game', but cricket always had the poetry and prose. Cricket seemed to have the best writers: Arlott; Robertson-Glasgow; Cardus; Gibson; Swanton; James; Keating; Barnes, and so on.
I think things started to change with the advent of Football Fanzines, and has been carried on in the age of Bloggers.
"Saturday 3pm ... " is probably the best writing on football I've seen. It comprises 50 short essays on subjects such as 'Seeing a ground from the train' / 'Watching an away end erupt' / 'Getting the fixture list' / 'Listening to the results in the car' / 'The first day of the season' / 'Slide tackles in the mud' / 'Standing on a terrace' / 'When the ball goes in the crowd' / 'Outfield players in goal'. I found I could relate to every one of the 50 essays.
Daniel Gray is a Middleborough fan, and one game he saw in the north east features Rovers in a chapter titled 'Singing'. It was Gateshead v Bristol Rovers, and here is a short extract:
"One supporter starting singing, and before he had finished the first word, five or six more had joined him. By the second line of the song, hundreds were in on the round, most now standing, arms aloft. 'Irene, goodnight, Irene/Irene goodnight,' they sang in surprisingly arresting melody. 'Goodnight, Irene/Goodnight, Irene/I'll see you in my dreams.' A reprise followed, and by now it was impossible to spy a soul who hadn't joined in the chorus. On this habitually dull February afternoon they had sprinkled romance around an athletics stadium set in an industrial estate. It wasn't just the content of the song, or the whirring Bristol lilt, that conjured this rosy sheen, nor the unity and shared sense of purpose. It was the uncomplicated jubilation of strangers singing, of base affection expressed."
If anyone else has a good football book to recommend, to help get through the close season, I would be most grateful!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 12:21:41 GMT
I'm pals with Dan, good bloke and a wonderful book.
Edit : As for good football books, Tor - Uli Hesse, The Outsider - Jonathan Wilson, Calcio - John Foot, Danish Dynamite - Lars Erickson.
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Post by harrybuckle on May 27, 2017 13:39:26 GMT
Geoff Bradford Bristol Rovers' Legend book. Geoff Bradford. He holds the club record for goals scored (242 in 461 Football League appearances) and remains the only player to win a Full England International cap while with the club. To research this book, the authors have been given access to an archive of information and original photographs from his family. Bristol-born Geoff with a loyal one-club man having turned down the option of a transfer to First Division Liverpool. He suffered two very severe career-threatening knee injuries and returned to play football for his club, who rewarded him with a Testimonial match at the end of his fifteenth season. Besides representing England, he also won other honours for Rovers winning the Third Division (South) Championship in 1952-53 and also played in many representative matches for the English Football Association including a six-week tour to the West Indies in 1955. There has never been a biography of Bradford, so this will be a welcome title for all dedicated Rovers fans.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 15:04:36 GMT
Mike, you're recommending a book you wrote.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 27, 2017 15:38:20 GMT
Howabout a book about the very earliest away day in Victorian era, in the wake of the steam locomotives?
Steaming In by Colin Ward. (!)
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Post by The Concept on May 29, 2017 9:17:42 GMT
Geoff Bradford Bristol Rovers' Legend book. Geoff Bradford. He holds the club record for goals scored (242 in 461 Football League appearances) and remains the only player to win a Full England International cap while with the club. To research this book, the authors have been given access to an archive of information and original photographs from his family. Bristol-born Geoff with a loyal one-club man having turned down the option of a transfer to First Division Liverpool. He suffered two very severe career-threatening knee injuries and returned to play football for his club, who rewarded him with a Testimonial match at the end of his fifteenth season. Besides representing England, he also won other honours for Rovers winning the Third Division (South) Championship in 1952-53 and also played in many representative matches for the English Football Association including a six-week tour to the West Indies in 1955. There has never been a biography of Bradford, so this will be a welcome title for all dedicated Rovers fans. Thank you Mike. I have read it, of course, and an interesting read it is - as are your other collaborations with Ian and Stephen. But it's not quite what I was after really; It's not quite the poetry and prose I mentioned before. When I started the thread, rather than a standard biography, I was looking more for the quality of writing: something evocative; a football book that contains metaphors and similes; a book with a nice smattering of colons, semi-colons, dashes, and hyphens. However, the title of the thread does say "Recommending a football book ...", which it most certainly is, so I should let it pass.
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Post by The Concept on May 29, 2017 9:39:15 GMT
I'm pals with Dan, good bloke and a wonderful book. Edit : As for good football books, Tor - Uli Hesse, The Outsider - Jonathan Wilson, Calcio - John Foot, Danish Dynamite - Lars Erickson. Cheers! "Tor! The Story of German Football" is one I've been aware of for some time. Regularly spotted it in book shops, and thought I should get it but never have. A few others I can recommend: - "Sightlines: A Stadium Odyssey" by Simon Inglis. - "Stamping Grounds: Liechtenstein's Quest for the World Cup" by Charlie Connelly. - "Parklife: a search for the heart of football" by Nick Varley. - "The Far Corner" by Harry Pearson. I do also like the quirky, coffee-table style, football books. Ones that contain great, interesting, and often iconic, photographs: - "Shot! A Photographic Record of Football in the Seventies" published in association with When Saturday Comes. - "Magnum Football" - Phaidon. - "Posts" photographs by Neville Gabie (a collection of different goal posts, frames, nets, and objects used as such, from his travels).
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Post by Swedish Gas on May 29, 2017 9:46:51 GMT
The Miracle of Castel de Sangro (sp?) is v good, although the wide eyed naivety of the writer/narrator gets on your tits before the end Dynamo : Defending the honour of Kiev - highly recommended, is less about football and more about the 2nd world war, made me tear up... I'm pals with Dan, good bloke and a wonderful book. Edit : As for good football books, Tor - Uli Hesse, The Outsider - Jonathan Wilson, Calcio - John Foot, Danish Dynamite - Lars Erickson. Cheers! "Tor! The Story of German Football" is one I've been aware of for some time. Regularly spotted it in book shops, and thought I should get it but never have. A few others I can recommend: - "Sightlines: A Stadium Odyssey" by Simon Inglis. - "Stamping Grounds: Liechtenstein's Quest for the World Cup" by Charlie Connelly. - "Parklife: a search for the heart of football" by Nick Varley. I do also like the quirky, coffee-table style, football books. Ones that contain great, interesting, and often iconic, photographs: - "Shot! A Photographic Record of Football in the Seventies" published in association with When Saturday Comes. - "Magnum Football" - Phaidon. - "Posts" photographs by Neville Gabie (a collection of different goal posts, frames, nets, and objects used as such, from his travels).
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Post by kentgas on May 29, 2017 10:44:57 GMT
A Season with Verona - Tim Parks is an excellent read.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 11:34:57 GMT
A Life Too Short by Ronald Reng is a must read. Harrowing but an incredible book.
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Post by dido on May 29, 2017 11:41:51 GMT
A Season with Verona - Tim Parks is an excellent read. A Season with Orient - Tom Parkes is not an excellent read.
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Post by GasMacc1 on May 29, 2017 11:43:17 GMT
First, I'll take it for granted that you've already enjoyed Martin Bull's "Away the Gas", "Print That Season" and "Double Darrell"!
On my shelves are:
"The Far Corner: A Mazy Dribble Through North-East Football" (1995) Harry Pearson. Funny. Trips to some of the non-League outposts as well as the League clubs.
"Soccer in the Dock" (1985) Simon Inglis A history of British football scandals. I haven't read this since the 1980's, but I seem to remember Rovers coming out of it quite well for their disciplinary stance on our own early 60's scandal.
"Sightlines - a Stadium Odyssey" (2000) Simon Inglis Focus on stadia around the world and the life that goes on around them. I remember enjoying reading this book on holiday.
"The Beautiful Game A Journey through Latin American Football" (1998) Chris Taylor What it says on the tin.
"Manchester United Ruined My Life" (1998) Colin Shindler Pre-Etihad Manchester City fan's envy of the Red-side. Contains the warning - 'do not attempt to read this book if you are a Manchester United supporter'. Also enjoyable was "George Best and 21 others" which follows the subsequent fortunes of the players in the FA Youth Cup match between the two Manchester sides in the early sixties.
"Football Against The Enemy" (1994) Simon Kuiper. "The bizarre effects football can have on politics and culture".
"The Football Man" (1968) Arthur Hopcraft 'Repeatedly quoted as the best book ever written about sport' - according to the blurb on the back. It is very well written, though.
"The Game of Our Lives" (2015) David Goldblatt There was a fanfare about this prize-winning book a year or two ago, as the Bristol-based author has enjoyed watching the Gas at the Memorial Stadium. My own view is that about a quarter of the book consists of a superficial scoot around all 92 League clubs, providing very little information that wouldn't be considered common knowledge to anyone who has watched football for more than a decade or so. But there is a lot of very good and thoughtful sociological insight in other chapters, and scathing attacks on the p*£$-poor governance of the game in this country.
And a couple of Rovers-related biographies that I've read recently:
Punky: The Paul Randall Story (2013) Paul Randall and Neil Palmer If you watched Rovers in the seventies and eighties, every chapter jogs your memory. Even if you didn't, I would recommend this book.
Don Megson - A Life in Football (2014) Don Megson with Chris Olewicz Mainly from the Sheff Wed angle, but also contains a chapter or two on his time Rovers. Interesting words about the background to the 9-0 defeat at Spurs!
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Post by warehamgas on May 29, 2017 12:14:58 GMT
Thanks GasMacc1, a good list esp the Simon Kuiper book. Others that are worth a mention: Only a Game by Eammon Dunphy. All about the 73/74 season from a Millwall angle of a player who realised he wasn't going to make it to Division 1. A great read, really honest warts and all book. I guess part of the reason I found it interesting was that it was about the season we got promoted and it cut across the good side of football right into the personal and pressures of being a footballer. One of the first books of its kind and still, imo, the best. The Lost Babes by Jeff Connor. All about the Munich disaster. Again it is more than about football and goes to personal. I thought it was a good read without becoming mawkish. Pointless: a season with the worst team in Britain. By Jeff Connor. All about a season with East Stirling who were bottom of division 4 in Scotland. A great read and if you thought we had it bad at Rovers, read this. Great perspective. I love the humour and the way they take the mickey out of themselves.
Football reads that are truly good are sometimes hard to come by and as was said thee seems to be more cricket books. I would recommend these three books which although cricket are more about the personal achievements and frailties of cricketers as people and not about cricket: Tormented Genius by David Foot. About the pressures Harold Gimblett faced as a player growing up when all he had was his genius against the "establishment" and what pressure did to him. Silence of the Heart by David Frith. About the many suicides that cricketers have chosen as a way out of life's difficulties. I never knew until reading it that of all the sports cricket has more suicides than any other sport. Again, not about cricket but about the people who became cricketers and the problems they faced. A very poignant read. Chasing Shadows: the Life and Death of Peter Roebuck by Tim Lane and Elliot Cartledge. A reflective read about a character who had so much to give and who engendered so much respect but felt the need to end his own life. I probably enjoyed reading it because of my support for Somerset CCC and for Roebuck at the time of the battles of the 1980s. Not always a comfortable read but gets you thinking. If you like good writing and stories that are sometimes a bit more complicated then I would recommend these.
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Post by irishrover on May 30, 2017 11:42:33 GMT
"Saturday 3pm - 50 eternal delights of modern football." - Daniel Gray.
Football may well be 'The Beautiful Game', but cricket always had the poetry and prose. Cricket seemed to have the best writers: Arlott; Robertson-Glasgow; Cardus; Gibson; Swanton; James; Keating; Barnes, and so on. I think things started to change with the advent of Football Fanzines, and has been carried on in the age of Bloggers. "Saturday 3pm ... " is probably the best writing on football I've seen. It comprises 50 short essays on subjects such as 'Seeing a ground from the train' / 'Watching an away end erupt' / 'Getting the fixture list' / 'Listening to the results in the car' / 'The first day of the season' / 'Slide tackles in the mud' / 'Standing on a terrace' / 'When the ball goes in the crowd' / 'Outfield players in goal'. I found I could relate to every one of the 50 essays. Daniel Gray is a Middleborough fan, and one game he saw in the north east features Rovers in a chapter titled 'Singing'. It was Gateshead v Bristol Rovers, and here is a short extract: " One supporter starting singing, and before he had finished the first word, five or six more had joined him. By the second line of the song, hundreds were in on the round, most now standing, arms aloft. 'Irene, goodnight, Irene/Irene goodnight,' they sang in surprisingly arresting melody. 'Goodnight, Irene/Goodnight, Irene/I'll see you in my dreams.' A reprise followed, and by now it was impossible to spy a soul who hadn't joined in the chorus. On this habitually dull February afternoon they had sprinkled romance around an athletics stadium set in an industrial estate. It wasn't just the content of the song, or the whirring Bristol lilt, that conjured this rosy sheen, nor the unity and shared sense of purpose. It was the uncomplicated jubilation of strangers singing, of base affection expressed." If anyone else has a good football book to recommend, to help get through the close season, I would be most grateful! As someone who reads most of this stuff quite closely I would argue that the situation has now flipped around and that modern football writing is on the whole far superior to modern cricket writing which, with a few noteworthy exceptions (Gideon Haigh for one) has largely failed to move with the times and produces a load of 10th rate versions of the above mentioned writers. Cricket is no longer the game of public schools, village greens and empire but most writers still seem stuck with that image and seem out of touch to me. Football writing on the other hand I used to find pretty tedious - either it was sensationalist and poorly written, hagiography, stat-obsessed (and with highly questionable poor quality stats at that) or strangely snobby when written about in the 'grown-up papers' - in none of those cases did the descriptions of the game remotely resemble the experience I, or the people I talk to about football, have of the game. Also I always found the obsession with self-promoting autobiography to be tedious. Now though there seems to be a much wider range of football writing that approaches the game from a much wider range of perspectives and angles. The fanzine did make a difference because for the first time it acknowledged the bleeding obvious - that football is actually mainly about the fans and the people who follow the game and their experiences and perspectives which had been ignored and condescended for decades. Dry as dust match reports or season descriptions that discuss the game as if it was a statement of parliamentary record or some kind of high-art performance and hero-worshipping biography exercise miss the point for me; it's about the people in and around the game and their warts and all stories. Both the history of the game and the current sport itself becomes far more interesting when people take off the rose-tinted specs and present the human stories and frailties that exist behind it - it doesn't taint the legacies of the past, it enhances it. But football was for a long time a very closed shop with a 'what goes on in the dressing room stays in the dressing room' attitude that permeated the whole sport. Cricket on the other hand has always been far more gossipy. That's what has changed - basically people have started writing about the interesting stuff and the wider social and cultural context of the game which is actually why most people like the sport in the first place. I'd add to people's positive reviews of Tor. Forza Italia by Paddy Agnew is very good. 'Provided You Don't Kiss Me: 20 years with Brian Clough' is very good. I like David Goldblatt's the Ball is Round but that is quite heavy going in places. Generally though I'd recommend picking up a copy of the Blizzard (quarterly journal of quality football writing largely based on these kind of principles) and using that to identify some writers you like. That's the main football journalism that I read. Oh, and anything by Hunter Davies - who was lightyears ahead of everybody in noticing the simple fact that football is about fandom. There's probably a debate to be had over the extent to which this whole boom in football writing is part of the bottom-up process that started with fanzines or the bourgeosation of football in which middle class people suddenly feel the need to put a wider significance to their football fandom. However, I do think it's a great shame that there wasn't really a 'great chronicler' of the golden age of the game before the 2nd world war in the sense of those cricket writers mentioned. Says a lot I think about the snobbish and condescending attitude the publishing industry had towards football for much of the 20th Century. The fact that no one had really written a 'football novel' until Fever Pitch came along says it all really.
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Post by simonj on May 30, 2017 12:10:11 GMT
music, fashion and local rivalry all in one - booted and suited by Chris Brown
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Post by dido on May 30, 2017 17:48:33 GMT
"The fact that no one had really written a 'football novel' until Fever Pitch came along says it all really" OR 'The Arsenal Stadium Mystery' is a 1939 English mystery film adapted from a novel by Leonard Gribble.
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Post by irishrover on May 30, 2017 22:55:41 GMT
"The fact that no one had really written a 'football novel' until Fever Pitch came along says it all really" OR 'The Arsenal Stadium Mystery' is a 1939 English mystery film adapted from a novel by Leonard Gribble. Yeah sort of but that wasn't really a novel about football so much as a murder mystery that used football as a backdrop. I mean you could use Gregory's Girl as an example of a film story about football but it isn't really - it's just a setting.
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 14, 2017 15:18:54 GMT
Mike, you're recommending a book you wrote. I spotted that on another post recently. Fair enough the fact is acknowledged, looks at best disingenuous if not IMO I wouldn't bother to post, but I very much liked the History of BRFC book
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 14, 2017 15:22:31 GMT
I just picked up The Ball is Round by David Goldblatt (again)
noticed in the foreward that 'he lives in Bristol, the Bermuda Triangle of footballing prowess'
that's a nice line, I thought
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 14, 2017 18:11:36 GMT
Another good read was: The Best Footballer you Never Saw. A book about Robin Friday ex Hayes, Reading, Cardiff. It’s usually the kind of book I don’t read but it was a really good read. I worked with a guy who went to school with the Fridays and he had some stories and said the book was very accurate. Robin Friday makes Rodney Marsh, Gazza and Roy Keane look like establishment figures!
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