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Post by eppinggas on Jun 17, 2019 12:15:29 GMT
Bonne to Charlton for £200k (release fee). Players and agent get rich, and small struggling Club continues to struggle. Shades of the snake. Seems to be the way the transfer market is going. Not healthy for Clubs, but not sure if there's really any solution to it. Free-markets and all that.
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Post by irishrover on Jun 17, 2019 13:49:59 GMT
Bonne to Charlton for £200k (release fee). Players and agent get rich, and small struggling Club continues to struggle. Shades of the snake. Seems to be the way the transfer market is going. Not healthy for Clubs, but not sure if there's really any solution to it. Free-markets and all that. Yeah but I'm guessing that was the tradeoff Orient made in convincing him to stay in the first place. Literally a steal for Charlton though. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 25.559999999999945px; height: 3.240000000000009px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_63737307" scrolling="no" width="25.559999999999945" height="3.240000000000009"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 25.56px; height: 3.24px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1216px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_47124046" scrolling="no" width="25.559999999999945" height="3.240000000000009"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 25.56px; height: 3.24px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 102px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_71005667" scrolling="no" width="25.559999999999945" height="3.240000000000009"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 25.56px; height: 3.24px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1216px; top: 102px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_75561634" scrolling="no" width="25.559999999999945" height="3.240000000000009"></iframe>
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 19, 2019 8:34:01 GMT
He can't have been on much more than £2k a week at Orient (I'm guessing). His 'low' release clause allows him to tout himself around Clubs - waiting to see who pays the most. What's he going to be on at Charlton - £8k-£10k a week? (Plus a 'sign-on fee I would imagine) Mind you Charlton finances are an absolute shambles. Apparently being sold to new owners though. financialfootballnews.com/charlton-athletic-fcs-2018-finances/ £69mil in debt?!? WTF?!? Makes Rovers look like a bargain. Wonder what the Valley is worth? Sh*thole bit of London, but it is London and a short hop to London Bridge. Football is a basket case industry. My word of the year is sustainability. Or lack of.
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Post by irishrover on Jun 20, 2019 22:20:16 GMT
He can't have been on much more than £2k a week at Orient (I'm guessing). His 'low' release clause allows him to tout himself around Clubs - waiting to see who pays the most. What's he going to be on at Charlton - £8k-£10k a week? (Plus a 'sign-on fee I would imagine) Mind you Charlton finances are an absolute shambles. Apparently being sold to new owners though. financialfootballnews.com/charlton-athletic-fcs-2018-finances/ £69mil in debt?!? WTF?!? Makes Rovers look like a bargain. Wonder what the Valley is worth? Sh*thole bit of London, but it is London and a short hop to London Bridge. Football is a basket case industry. My word of the year is sustainability. Or lack of. To be honest it's all completely baffling. As someone with little interest or knowledge of money and accounting football seems to exist in some kind of nether world where any basic understanding of the limits of debt, profit and loss have long ago been abandoned and instead it exists on a strange twisted internal logic that is entirely detached from reality.
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 21, 2019 8:28:52 GMT
He can't have been on much more than £2k a week at Orient (I'm guessing). His 'low' release clause allows him to tout himself around Clubs - waiting to see who pays the most. What's he going to be on at Charlton - £8k-£10k a week? (Plus a 'sign-on fee I would imagine) Mind you Charlton finances are an absolute shambles. Apparently being sold to new owners though. financialfootballnews.com/charlton-athletic-fcs-2018-finances/ £69mil in debt?!? WTF?!? Makes Rovers look like a bargain. Wonder what the Valley is worth? Sh*thole bit of London, but it is London and a short hop to London Bridge. Football is a basket case industry. My word of the year is sustainability. Or lack of. To be honest it's all completely baffling. As someone with little interest or knowledge of money and accounting football seems to exist in some kind of nether world where any basic understanding of the limits of debt, profit and loss have long ago been abandoned and instead it exists on a strange twisted internal logic that is entirely detached from reality. Totally agree. Financial fair play (or whatever the EFL equivalent is) is a step in the right direction, but I think it is too little and too late. EFL governance is laughable. I can only see a raft of Clubs going to the wall. Fingers crossed we won't be one of them.
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Post by irishrover on Jun 21, 2019 15:16:39 GMT
To be honest it's all completely baffling. As someone with little interest or knowledge of money and accounting football seems to exist in some kind of nether world where any basic understanding of the limits of debt, profit and loss have long ago been abandoned and instead it exists on a strange twisted internal logic that is entirely detached from reality. Totally agree. Financial fair play (or whatever the EFL equivalent is) is a step in the right direction, but I think it is too little and too late. EFL governance is laughable. I can only see a raft of Clubs going to the wall. Fingers crossed we won't be one of them. Yes - I mean Shaun Harvey's parting shot at supporters shows how warped their priorities have become. Basically he was saying that fans should be grateful that there are superrich owners who are prepared to step in and bail out other superrich owners by running clubs as equally unsustainably as their predecessors. No acknowledgement at all that it might be the model and structure itself that is wrong. As fans we are just too invested in our own clubs to notice that it's not a club-specific/owner-specific issue, it's a systematic problem and even at clubs that seem well run its only a matter of time before the wrong people take over. Look at Charlton or Swansea or Hull - considered model clubs 10 years ago, now mired in chaos. Complete reform or total bankruptcy are the only ways in which change will happen. The latter is far more likely but is also undesirable and a 'burn it to the ground' effect could wreck the whole thing, while the former is only possible with a united front from the consumers (ie fans) which is not really the way football works. So the massive zombie stumbles on.
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 23, 2019 8:00:14 GMT
Totally agree. Financial fair play (or whatever the EFL equivalent is) is a step in the right direction, but I think it is too little and too late. EFL governance is laughable. I can only see a raft of Clubs going to the wall. Fingers crossed we won't be one of them. Yes - I mean Shaun Harvey's parting shot at supporters shows how warped their priorities have become. Basically he was saying that fans should be grateful that there are superrich owners who are prepared to step in and bail out other superrich owners by running clubs as equally unsustainably as their predecessors. No acknowledgement at all that it might be the model and structure itself that is wrong. As fans we are just too invested in our own clubs to notice that it's not a club-specific/owner-specific issue, it's a systematic problem and even at clubs that seem well run its only a matter of time before the wrong people take over. Look at Charlton or Swansea or Hull - considered model clubs 10 years ago, now mired in chaos. Complete reform or total bankruptcy are the only ways in which change will happen. The latter is far more likely but is also undesirable and a 'burn it to the ground' effect could wreck the whole thing, while the former is only possible with a united front from the consumers (ie fans) which is not really the way football works. So the massive zombie stumbles on. Spot on. My solution, (though it would appear that the Premier League/EFL are too late to stave off the impending crisis) is to look to Germany. They have strict rules regarding Football Clubs and how they are owned and financed and what obligations they have (particularly with regard to youth development). I always thought the re-structuring was on the back of the humiliating defeat in 2001. Germany 1-5 England. Sadly - although it makes a good story (and I'll keep repeating it anyway)... it's not true. A disastrous Euro 2000 was the starting point of the 'revolution'. Maybe revolution is better than evolution after all :-). www.fourfourtwo.com/features/how-germanys-awful-euro-2000-forced-a-mass-restructure-and-why-it-wouldnt-work-england
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 4, 2019 14:58:41 GMT
Having seen their last home game in the EFL 2 and a bit seasons ago... back to see the O's on their first game back in the league. An emotional day. There was a lot pre-match to do with commemorations regarding the sad loss of Justin Edinburgh. Cheltenham had a big flag made and that was really good to see. The game itself was very scrappy. Both sides determined to give the ball away at every possible opportunity. Ref missed a blatant Cheltenham penalty first half. Decided to book the attacker for diving. Badly wrong from what I saw. 2nd half, ref basically went the whole hog and should have had an Orient shirt on. Second yellow for an innocuous challenge (alleged elbow) - the Cheltenham player's 2nd yellow and off. Then another Cheltenham player was sent off - for no apparent reason. Here is the explanation from Cheltenham manager, Michael Duff. "Rohan had a drink of water, walked onto the pitch and because he's disappointed that Reg has just been sent off, he's thrown the bottle, an empty plastic bottle, it's hit the fourth official. He seems to think he did it intently. I am not sure Rohan's aim is that good that he can hit someone five or six yards away, walking the other way. There is not a lot I can do about that one, but I think it's very soft, particularly after what's gone on in the 60 minutes before that". Gavin Reilly came on (67 mins) just before Cheltenham were reduced to 9 men. Unsurprisingly, could not effect the result. Cheltenham keeper (Flinders) made a couple of absolutely blinding saves as the 9 men were totally over-run. Early days obviously, but from what I saw - 2 mid-table teams.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 7, 2021 11:35:22 GMT
I’ll extend this a bit, though I know not too much about them. Seem a “proper club” fighting against the big boys all around them but that should let them be a club that does things in a different way. Should be able to provide a good step up for loans from London clubs, like they did with Harry Kane. It’s always good to support the smaller club and see them doing well. A decent watch at the ground though it’s many years since I’ve been there. Perhaps this season if it’s a Saturday. Train up, train out to the ground seems attractive at the moment. UTG!
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 9, 2021 8:56:04 GMT
I’ll extend this a bit, though I know not too much about them. Seem a “proper club” fighting against the big boys all around them but that should let them be a club that does things in a different way. Should be able to provide a good step up for loans from London clubs, like they did with Harry Kane. It’s always good to support the smaller club and see them doing well. A decent watch at the ground though it’s many years since I’ve been there. Perhaps this season if it’s a Saturday. Train up, train out to the ground seems attractive at the moment. UTG! They're a well run Club with decent fans. Pretty much everyone's (well West Ham, Spurs, Arsenal supporters anyway) 'second' Club. Quite a few decent pubs within easy striking distance of Brisbane Road. I would thoroughly recommend an away day there. One change onto the Central Line from Paddington Station. Don't fall asleep or you'll end up in Epping (or possibly Hainault). Sadly if Mr Barton is still manager, I won't be able to join you though.
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Post by irishrover on Jun 14, 2021 23:34:28 GMT
I’ll extend this a bit, though I know not too much about them. Seem a “proper club” fighting against the big boys all around them but that should let them be a club that does things in a different way. Should be able to provide a good step up for loans from London clubs, like they did with Harry Kane. It’s always good to support the smaller club and see them doing well. A decent watch at the ground though it’s many years since I’ve been there. Perhaps this season if it’s a Saturday. Train up, train out to the ground seems attractive at the moment. UTG! They're a well run Club with decent fans. Pretty much everyone's (well West Ham, Spurs, Arsenal supporters anyway) 'second' Club. Quite a few decent pubs within easy striking distance of Brisbane Road. I would thoroughly recommend an away day there. One change onto the Central Line from Paddington Station. Don't fall asleep or you'll end up in Epping (or possibly Hainault). Sadly if Mr Barton is still manager, I won't be able to join you though. Kane's said he's unhappy at Spurs so maybe he rocks up a Brisbane Road next year!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 22, 2021 10:24:33 GMT
Very poignant video and many of the scenes reminded me of that awful day when we got relegated. The ex didn’t know it but her photos will be of historic interest. My concern now is that we don’t go the same route again. I’m sorry if some find this negative but I have no faith in Barton nor in the man who employed him. I think this coming season will be a very pivotal one. I only hope that I get proven wrong
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 22, 2021 10:29:47 GMT
Fingers crossed Solihull can come up with them, that would be a triumph for financial planning over the financial doping going on at Salford. Solihul are marginally tighter in the betting at 13-8 rather than 15-8. I don't think anyone 'wants' Salford to go up (sorry Gaffers). This is the start of the new play-off system where 2nd and 3rd are in the semis automatically. Semis are a one-off game. 2nd and 3rd have home advantage vs the winners of 4th vs 7th and 5th vs 6th. (These are both one-off games with 4th and 5th with home advantage). So although there are more sides in the playoffs, there is a big advantage in finishing 2nd/3rd. Which is a good thing. So interesting to see how the system plays out as I think it's fairer and could be coming to the EFL. Conference South is more confusing as Concord have been denied a place in the play-off due to their ground not being up to scratch. I digress. I apologise. Thanks for that Ian as I didn’t know about this but it does seem a better way. My own view is that the team who placed third shoukd go up anyway but that would take a lot from the pack that are chasing a play off spot and there is also the money side of it.
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 27, 2021 9:08:27 GMT
Solihul are marginally tighter in the betting at 13-8 rather than 15-8. I don't think anyone 'wants' Salford to go up (sorry Gaffers). This is the start of the new play-off system where 2nd and 3rd are in the semis automatically. Semis are a one-off game. 2nd and 3rd have home advantage vs the winners of 4th vs 7th and 5th vs 6th. (These are both one-off games with 4th and 5th with home advantage). So although there are more sides in the playoffs, there is a big advantage in finishing 2nd/3rd. Which is a good thing. So interesting to see how the system plays out as I think it's fairer and could be coming to the EFL. Conference South is more confusing as Concord have been denied a place in the play-off due to their ground not being up to scratch. I digress. I apologise. Thanks for that Ian as I didn’t know about this but it does seem a better way. My own view is that the team who placed third shoukd go up anyway but that would take a lot from the pack that are chasing a play off spot and there is also the money side of it. Sadly - it's always about the money Jools...
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 20, 2023 9:53:44 GMT
Very long time no Orient update. I've not been down there for ages. Most my lower league local trips are to Clubs further down the pyramid. Anyway - the manager Richie Wellens (ex-Salford, ex-Doncaster) has done a fantastic job. O's are nailed on for automatic promotions as they sit 18 points clear of Northampton in 4th. Their stand out player is Paul Smyth (according to my mate). Some exceptional goals scored on YouTube and supporters very relieved not to see him go in the January window. Not featured recently, must be injured... Up The O's. Decent Club, decent supporters.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 20, 2023 11:17:03 GMT
Very long time no Orient update. I've not been down there for ages. Most my lower league local trips are to Clubs further down the pyramid. Anyway - the manager Richie Wellens (ex-Salford, ex-Doncaster) has done a fantastic job. O's are nailed on for automatic promotions as they sit 18 points clear of Northampton in 4th. Their stand out player is Paul Smyth (according to my mate). Some exceptional goals scored on YouTube and supporters very relieved not to see him go in the January window. Not featured recently, must be injured... Up The O's. Decent Club, decent supporters. Wellens is a really good manager. Did a great job at Swindle too. Hoping they get promoted and we can stay up as I’ve not been there yet
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Post by bluetornados on Feb 20, 2023 11:28:44 GMT
Very long time no Orient update. I've not been down there for ages. Most my lower league local trips are to Clubs further down the pyramid. Anyway - the manager Richie Wellens (ex-Salford, ex-Doncaster) has done a fantastic job. O's are nailed on for automatic promotions as they sit 18 points clear of Northampton in 4th. Their stand out player is Paul Smyth (according to my mate). Some exceptional goals scored on YouTube and supporters very relieved not to see him go in the January window. Not featured recently, must be injured... Up The O's. Decent Club, decent supporters. A very good and well ran football club, Matt Harrold is their 1st team coach, Assistant head coach is Paul Terry brother of John. Goalkeeping coach Simon Royce played most of his career with bitter rivals Southend & Director of football Martin Ling played for and managed them too. Famous ex-players were Kevin Campbell, Laurie Cunningham and none other than Harry Kane who played 18 games & scored 5 goals. And finally, Barry Hearn was their chairman for nearly 20 years...i have had a soft spot for Leyton Orient and Rochdale down the years.
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 20, 2023 15:20:29 GMT
Very long time no Orient update. I've not been down there for ages. Most my lower league local trips are to Clubs further down the pyramid. Anyway - the manager Richie Wellens (ex-Salford, ex-Doncaster) has done a fantastic job. O's are nailed on for automatic promotions as they sit 18 points clear of Northampton in 4th. Their stand out player is Paul Smyth (according to my mate). Some exceptional goals scored on YouTube and supporters very relieved not to see him go in the January window. Not featured recently, must be injured... Up The O's. Decent Club, decent supporters. A very good and well ran football club, Matt Harrold is their 1st team coach, Assistant head coach is Paul Terry brother of John. Goalkeeping coach Simon Royce played most of his career with bitter rivals Southend & Director of football Martin Ling played for and managed them too. Famous ex-players were Kevin Campbell, Laurie Cunningham and none other than Harry Kane who played 18 games & scored 5 goals. And finally, Barry Hearn was their chairman for nearly 20 years...i have had a soft spot for Leyton Orient and Rochdale down the years. "Harry Kane who played 18 games & scored 5 goals." 2 against us when Rovers had my pet cat in goal for them. Or was it Luke Daniels? My pet cat is a far better keeper.
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Post by eppinggas on Apr 23, 2023 12:26:14 GMT
Congratulations to Orient on their League 2 title. Really pleased for them. UTO's.
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