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Post by wfgyugweuy on Jul 11, 2014 18:49:09 GMT
Why dont they just redevelop the mem make it about 15,000 or something, lets face it we're unlikely to get crowds that big for a long time now. I think the new stadium will have no atmosphere when it's only 30% full if it actually does get built.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 19:55:57 GMT
Why dont they just redevelop the mem make it about 15,000 or something, lets face it we're unlikely to get crowds that big for a long time now. I think the new stadium will have no atmosphere when it's only 30% full if it actually does get built. ..... and how do you fund this "redevelopment"
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Post by wfgyugweuy on Jul 11, 2014 20:07:43 GMT
Did they not have a plan when they were going to redevelop it initially? I don't know the ins and outs, I just mean would it not be better to build a slightly more modest stadium that can be expanded in future. We're not gonna fill the approx 22,000 seats in the UWE for years, so why not spend less to start but have the infrastructure in place e.g. piles etc so that that stadium can be expanded of needed later. But for the time being maybe make it smaller so that it's fuller match day, making a better atmosphere and costing a bit less in terms of building. Like I said I'm no expert but just dont think a 22,000 seat stadium with 6,000 fans will make for a great experience.
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Post by PessimistGas on Jul 11, 2014 20:09:39 GMT
Why dont they just redevelop the mem make it about 15,000 or something, lets face it we're unlikely to get crowds that big for a long time now. I think the new stadium will have no atmosphere when it's only 30% full if it actually does get built. ..... and how do you fund this "redevelopment" student accommodation?
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Post by faggotygas on Jul 12, 2014 16:04:41 GMT
Did they not have a plan when they were going to redevelop it initially? I don't know the ins and outs, I just mean would it not be better to build a slightly more modest stadium that can be expanded in future. We're not gonna fill the approx 22,000 seats in the UWE for years, so why not spend less to start but have the infrastructure in place e.g. piles etc so that that stadium can be expanded of needed later. But for the time being maybe make it smaller so that it's fuller match day, making a better atmosphere and costing a bit less in terms of building. Like I said I'm no expert but just dont think a 22,000 seat stadium with 6,000 fans will make for a great experience. Think you've misunderstood the plan old bean, the idea is that funding the uwe stadium will come from selling the mem. So they wouldn't be spending anything, if you believe the board
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 12, 2014 16:22:36 GMT
since the abortive plan of the student accommodation link, would be interesting to see how many student flats have been built, i think there is yet another block going up down by the waterside
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 12, 2014 16:46:10 GMT
The UWE have built a small village at Frenchay, and have plans for even more. given the apparent housing shortage in southern England I assume even if the club couldn't rent them to students there is a ready supply of tenants happy to rent good quality flats?
Although the UWE stadium now looks a far more attractive proposition.
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Post by aghast on Jul 12, 2014 16:47:25 GMT
Private student Halls seem to springing up all over the place. They seem to be so much in demand now because of rising student numbers, but campuses don't have the room for any accommodation. Students like them - a safe environment with other students - at a price - and better than a dodgy bedsit. Developers like them becasue they can cram in hundreds of students paying £120 a week.
The flats at the Mem didn't make the proposed stadium very attractive, but would have been a money spinner and the value of the site would now be rocketing up.
If it was a good idea 8 years ago then it would be an even better idea now if (hushed voice) the UWE Stadium falls through.
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Post by gas2 on Jul 12, 2014 18:30:41 GMT
would u w e have any use for the mem just a thought ?
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Post by bs5 on Jul 13, 2014 17:33:25 GMT
Did they not have a plan when they were going to redevelop it initially? I don't know the ins and outs, I just mean would it not be better to build a slightly more modest stadium that can be expanded in future. We're not gonna fill the approx 22,000 seats in the UWE for years, so why not spend less to start but have the infrastructure in place e.g. piles etc so that that stadium can be expanded of needed later. But for the time being maybe make it smaller so that it's fuller match day, making a better atmosphere and costing a bit less in terms of building. Like I said I'm no expert but just dont think a 22,000 seat stadium with 6,000 fans will make for a great experience. Think you've misunderstood the plan old bean, the idea is that funding the uwe stadium will come from selling the mem. So they wouldn't be spending anything, if you believe the board
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Post by bs5 on Jul 13, 2014 17:34:19 GMT
Think you've misunderstood the plan old bean, the idea is that funding the uwe stadium will come from selling the mem. So they wouldn't be spending anything, if you believe the board There will be more than 6000 fans at the new stadium without any shadow of a doubt mate
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 13, 2014 18:53:30 GMT
There will be more than 6000 fans at the new stadium without any shadow of a doubt mate Not if we are by then just a mid table Conference side, fans won't turn up in numbers just to look ata new stadium once the novelty factor wears off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 22:14:19 GMT
There will be more than 6000 fans at the new stadium without any shadow of a doubt mate Not if we are by then just a mid table Conference side, fans won't turn up in numbers just to look ata new stadium once the novelty factor wears off. Exactly. Outside of the top half a dozen teams in the Conference the standard of football is woeful. We won't be getting 6000 at home games unless we are winning pretty much every week. Surely even Watola realises that people won't stump up the same money as was being charged when Higgs took over and Rovers were a L1 club to watch hoofball, charging into each other and a lot of falling over, all presided over by referees who aren't even good enough for L2. But then again....
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Post by lincolnfan on Jul 14, 2014 1:02:08 GMT
Leaving aside Sainsbury deciding what is best for them - and that is the only decision that matters in the matter of your stadium (and that of Southend United) - I have to say that viewed from a long way away (and with no background knowledge) a 22,000 seater stadium on the face of it appears to be peas rattling around in a very large pod.
There's no reason why you can't get back in the FL quickly but it's a fact that even with new or newish stadiums corporate money has dropped like a stone over the last few years along with the usual national economic problems. Just as a percentage of your supporters will be averse to Conference football I think there is a risk that some local businesses will take the same attitude.
I run a fairly successful business but I can't immediately think of a reason for buying a hospitality box (as but one example) for League One never mind the conference. You take potential clients to Colchester v Oldham or Bristol Rovers v Alfreton? Don't think so if you are trying to clinch a deal. An evening at La Talbooth, Dedham, or the Angel at Stoke by Nayland perhaps but not a bleedin' lower league football match or not if you want to get the contract anyway. Just a personal opinion having never understood the commercial reality of new stadium/lower league football expectations.
I cannot think of any new/recent/modern stadium in lower league football that has, or is, currently assisting a football club by funding their rise up the leagues. It may help them from going bust for the time being but I cannot see it as a major money player in itself. That may be my ignorance but I certainly doubt that a new stadium will help with results and if they don't come I suspect the stadium fades into insignificance.
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Post by swissgas on Jul 14, 2014 3:13:15 GMT
Leaving aside Sainsbury deciding what is best for them - and that is the only decision that matters in the matter of your stadium (and that of Southend United) - I have to say that viewed from a long way away (and with no background knowledge) a 22,000 seater stadium on the face of it appears to be peas rattling around in a very large pod. There's no reason why you can't get back in the FL quickly but it's a fact that even with new or newish stadiums corporate money has dropped like a stone over the last few years along with the usual national economic problems. Just as a percentage of your supporters will be averse to Conference football I think there is a risk that some local businesses will take the same attitude. I run a fairly successful business but I can't immediately think of a reason for buying a hospitality box (as but one example) for League One never mind the conference. You take potential clients to Colchester v Oldham or Bristol Rovers v Alfreton? Don't think so if you are trying to clinch a deal. An evening at La Talbooth, Dedham, or the Angel at Stoke by Nayland perhaps but not a bleedin' lower league football match or not if you want to get the contract anyway. Just a personal opinion having never understood the commercial reality of new stadium/lower league football expectations. I cannot think of any new/recent/modern stadium in lower league football that has, or is, currently assisting a football club by funding their rise up the leagues. It may help them from going bust for the time being but I cannot see it as a major money player in itself. That may be my ignorance but I certainly doubt that a new stadium will help with results and if they don't come I suspect the stadium fades into insignificance. A lot of Rovers fans have been brainwashed into thinking there is no alternative to a brand new 22000 capacity all seater stadium. They know there is a funding gap of many millions but they have been assured the directors will dip into the bags of cash they keep in the boots of their Bentley's to fund it. When they hear about revenue streams they think of a great big tap which spews out £££££ the moment it is turned on. They never think of who is actually going to spend that money or whether there are actually any customers for the facilities which will be built at the stadium because they have been told it is all going to work like a dream so they get a nice warm comfortable feeling thinking it will. They never look around at the huge number of empty buildings to be seen around the country, with windows boarded up and grass growing through the tarmac in the car park, which have never ever been used because the developers didn't actually research what demand there would be but just "hoped" for the best. And they avoid wondering why their leaders use the word "hope" rather a lot so it doesn't bother them that every time they hear Rovers are "hoping" for success the exact opposite happens. The UWE Stadium would be a great idea if Rovers had sufficient cash to carry out the project properly and there was a proven demand for the facilities which are included in the architects plans.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 14, 2014 7:46:55 GMT
Surely even Watola realises that people won't stump up the same money as was being charged when Higgs took over and Rovers were a L1 club to watch hoofball, charging into each other and a lot of falling over, all presided over by referees who aren't even good enough for L2. But then again.... If past experience of budgetting and forecasting by Toni the Till are taken into account then I cannot believe he will have various scenarios planned for the coming season(s). More than likely he will see it as business as usual......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 8:14:18 GMT
UWE do not care where Rovers are in the pyramid, all they care about is the carpark.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 14, 2014 9:24:15 GMT
UWE do not care where Rovers are in the pyramid, all they care about is the carpark. I think you are well wide of the Mark Dave, I am pretty sure UWE are very keen on the stadium as it will give them kudos of having it and the use of it's facilities. The UWE is run extremely well and it's students who pass are now taken much more seriously. Remember this used to be Bristol Polytrchnic. It was a place where those with poor A level grades,or even fails, used to get placement. They have put a lot of work in getting good tutors, in getting good PR and are definitely going places. They are very ambitious. I think you do them a huge disservice in what you believe. I think we have to wait and see just who has not done their homework here but you can bet it is not the UWE. They are fastidious in how they do things and plan ahead very efficiently
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 14, 2014 9:45:22 GMT
Leaving aside Sainsbury deciding what is best for them - and that is the only decision that matters in the matter of your stadium (and that of Southend United) - I have to say that viewed from a long way away (and with no background knowledge) a 22,000 seater stadium on the face of it appears to be peas rattling around in a very large pod. There's no reason why you can't get back in the FL quickly but it's a fact that even with new or newish stadiums corporate money has dropped like a stone over the last few years along with the usual national economic problems. Just as a percentage of your supporters will be averse to Conference football I think there is a risk that some local businesses will take the same attitude. I run a fairly successful business but I can't immediately think of a reason for buying a hospitality box (as but one example) for League One never mind the conference. You take potential clients to Colchester v Oldham or Bristol Rovers v Alfreton? Don't think so if you are trying to clinch a deal. An evening at La Talbooth, Dedham, or the Angel at Stoke by Nayland perhaps but not a bleedin' lower league football match or not if you want to get the contract anyway. Just a personal opinion having never understood the commercial reality of new stadium/lower league football expectations. I cannot think of any new/recent/modern stadium in lower league football that has, or is, currently assisting a football club by funding their rise up the leagues. It may help them from going bust for the time being but I cannot see it as a major money player in itself. That may be my ignorance but I certainly doubt that a new stadium will help with results and if they don't come I suspect the stadium fades into insignificance. You only have to look at the leagues and most teams that have built new ground etc have gone through up and most teams in the lower league have older dated facilities. Investors will look at the potential of a club and at the mem the highest we could ever be realistically if league one. Also money will be coming in from the Gym, Creche, uni bar etc and we have investors who are interested in investing once the stadium is built. A new stadium guarantees nothing, however, it at least creates potential. Even if we built a good team at the mem, we would sell them and lose the manager. For any chance of long term success we need this. We have lost 3 highly rated youth players in the last year to teams with better facilities, 4 including Santos. Bristol has a massive catchment area and investors should be able to see the potential. No one would ever invest while we are at the mem though, unless they were a die hard gashead.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 9:52:15 GMT
UWE do not care where Rovers are in the pyramid, all they care about is the carpark. I think you are well wide of the Mark Dave, I am pretty sure UWE are very keen on the stadium as it will give them kudos of having it and the use of it's facilities. The UWE is run extremely well and it's students who pass are now taken much more seriously. Remember this used to be Bristol Polytrchnic. It was a place where those with poor A level grades,or even fails, used to get placement. They have put a lot of work in getting good tutors, in getting good PR and are definitely going places. They are very ambitious. I think you do them a huge disservice in what you believe. I think we have to wait and see just who has not done their homework here but you can bet it is not the UWE. They are fastidious in how they do things and plan ahead very efficiently The university is tightening it's purse strings, currently it rents the biggest student carparks. Don't get me wrong the kudos that the stadium will bring is a huge positive but a free carpark is a huge positive.
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