harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on May 12, 2016 10:07:46 GMT
Seems like MT and his agent is in talks with Birmingham City. Feel sure others will be inviting him to view their Clubs as well.
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Post by gashead1979 on May 12, 2016 10:18:40 GMT
I was hoping he would sign a contract with the promise of being able to talk to other clubs, so we'd at least get some money for him, similar to the Lambert situation.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 11:55:05 GMT
MT also said to ignore any transfer talk for a few weeks as he was going on holiday. Yes I know that does not stop his agent speaking.
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Post by tanksfull on May 12, 2016 18:42:02 GMT
I was hoping he would sign a contract with the promise of being able to talk to other clubs, so we'd at least get some money for him, similar to the Lambert situation. Why would he do that when he can negotiate a signing on fee? |
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Post by Thatslife on May 12, 2016 18:58:23 GMT
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Post by mangogas15 on May 12, 2016 19:30:42 GMT
Players come and go. But we didn't replace lambert last time and lennie lawrence leaving aswell was the recipe for relegation. We must never go back to that division. We have the wages to pay hopefully this time to be a main competitor in L1
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 19:32:39 GMT
I was hoping he would sign a contract with the promise of being able to talk to other clubs, so we'd at least get some money for him, similar to the Lambert situation. Why would he do that when he can negotiate a signing on fee? Because not everything in life is about money. Sure, he's been good for Rovers, but you can equally argue that we've helped him develop as well. |
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Post by simonj on May 12, 2016 19:47:02 GMT
Why would he do that when he can negotiate a signing on fee? Because not everything in life is about money. Sure, he's been good for Rovers, but you can equally argue that we've helped him develop as well. Don't think there's a need to say arguably. We have been brilliant for Matty, he has improved no end, I'm confident the right conclusion will be achieved. He will improve his contract and standard with us, in my opinion. |
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Post by tanksfull on May 13, 2016 7:08:01 GMT
Why would he do that when he can negotiate a signing on fee? Because not everything in life is about money. Sure, he's been good for Rovers, but you can equally argue that we've helped him develop as well. I totally agree on the development front, but who bats an eyelid at that in any form of job? The trainee does two years with a company and then moves on without even thinking about who has trained her/him. Unless they keep the person, long term, all companies are in a no win situation. Some take the view that they are benefitting their industry. At least football clubs have the added benefit of a contract, for a set period, to protect them. Football clubs give "longer" contracts to protect their asset and ensure they can get a sell-on fee. In recent years we have generally had short contracts because our experience has been pretty retched with respect to individual players (shall I list them...) and results. We have now been caught out because of our change in "fortune". Had we had a crystal ball and known what was going to happen we wouldn't be in this position and MT would be tied to a longer contract. If it had gone wrong (who really thought MT would have improved his finishing quite so dramatically?), and he had a longer contract, there would have been some interesting comments on here. |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on May 13, 2016 8:15:05 GMT
Because not everything in life is about money. Sure, he's been good for Rovers, but you can equally argue that we've helped him develop as well. I totally agree on the development front, but who bats an eyelid at that in any form of job? The trainee does two years with a company and then moves on without even thinking about who has trained her/him. Unless they keep the person, long term, all companies are in a no win situation. Some take the view that they are benefitting their industry. At least football clubs have the added benefit of a contract, for a set period, to protect them. Football clubs give "longer" contracts to protect their asset and ensure they can get a sell-on fee. In recent years we have generally had short contracts because our experience has been pretty retched with respect to individual players (shall I list them...) and results. We have now been caught out because of our change in "fortune". Had we had a crystal ball and known what was going to happen we wouldn't be in this position and MT would be tied to a longer contract. If it had gone wrong (who really thought MT would have improved his finishing quite so dramatically?), and he had a longer contract, there would have been some interesting comments on here. And to add to that the manager has stated he prefers to have players on short contracts and playing for their futures. You can't have it both ways and have to accept you will lose good players for free. And what does MT really owe us? It could've been Jamie White that started scoring goals with MT not getting any game time and then he'd been encouraged to leave the club. The lad has to look after his future. |
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Post by Captain Jayho on May 13, 2016 8:49:10 GMT
I doubt any other side would tolerate him putting his cock in their cup. Ergo, he stays.
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Post by mrbluesky on May 13, 2016 8:57:35 GMT
the important thing is getting the right player in to replace taylor if he goes something we failed to do when lambert left or roberts/cureton for that matter.
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Post by Captain Jayho on May 13, 2016 9:03:45 GMT
What's the deal with McBurnie? Is he a chance to sign? Does anyone rate him? Not saying he'd replace MT but we look to be relatively top-heavy with strikers as it stands so just wondered where he sat in the big scheme of things. I assume Rory Fallon was just brought in to do the Haka as a team building exercise for the lads and now he's done that he's gone home? Leaving Harrison, Easter, McBurnie(?) and the forgotten man Lucas.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 9:08:26 GMT
Because not everything in life is about money. Sure, he's been good for Rovers, but you can equally argue that we've helped him develop as well. I totally agree on the development front, but who bats an eyelid at that in any form of job? The trainee does two years with a company and then moves on without even thinking about who has trained her/him. Unless they keep the person, long term, all companies are in a no win situation. Some take the view that they are benefitting their industry. At least football clubs have the added benefit of a contract, for a set period, to protect them. Football clubs give "longer" contracts to protect their asset and ensure they can get a sell-on fee. In recent years we have generally had short contracts because our experience has been pretty retched with respect to individual players (shall I list them...) and results. We have now been caught out because of our change in "fortune". Had we had a crystal ball and known what was going to happen we wouldn't be in this position and MT would be tied to a longer contract. If it had gone wrong (who really thought MT would have improved his finishing quite so dramatically?), and he had a longer contract, there would have been some interesting comments on here. All sounds reasonable, apart from, Matty wasn't a promising youngster, he was in his mid-twenties and his career was going nowhere, FGR even shipped him out on loan. It can't be proven, but the evidence points towards his improvement happening at the same time as him being coached by a man who himself was a top class striker and was coached at the highest level. I guess we'll know for sure when Marcus produces the next striker, and then the next one  Looking at the way Billy is taking chances, we may already have our answer. Sure Matty can walk away, but it would be nice for him to give us his signature so that we can either continue the adventure together (and pay him accordingly, but without destabalising the dressing room) or get a fair fee for him moving on. Funnily enough, if he goes, I'll remember the crazy worm more than any individual goal |
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Post by tanksfull on May 13, 2016 9:26:55 GMT
I totally agree on the development front, but who bats an eyelid at that in any form of job? The trainee does two years with a company and then moves on without even thinking about who has trained her/him. Unless they keep the person, long term, all companies are in a no win situation. Some take the view that they are benefitting their industry. At least football clubs have the added benefit of a contract, for a set period, to protect them. Football clubs give "longer" contracts to protect their asset and ensure they can get a sell-on fee. In recent years we have generally had short contracts because our experience has been pretty retched with respect to individual players (shall I list them...) and results. We have now been caught out because of our change in "fortune". Had we had a crystal ball and known what was going to happen we wouldn't be in this position and MT would be tied to a longer contract. If it had gone wrong (who really thought MT would have improved his finishing quite so dramatically?), and he had a longer contract, there would have been some interesting comments on here. All sounds reasonable, apart from, Matty wasn't a promising youngster, he was in his mid-twenties and his career was going nowhere, FGR even shipped him out on loan. It can't be proven, but the evidence points towards his improvement happening at the same time as him being coached by a man who himself was a top class striker and was coached at the highest level. I guess we'll know for sure when Marcus produces the next striker, and then the next one Looking at the way Billy is taking chances, we may already have our answer. Sure Matty can walk away, but it would be nice for him to give us his signature so that we can either continue the adventure together (and pay him accordingly, but without destabalising the dressing room) or get a fair fee for him moving on. Funnily enough, if he goes, I'll remember the crazy worm more than any individual goal No disagreement here. Just making the analogy that no-one really thinks about what they have learnt or that they owe loyalty to that place of learning. We have benefitted by being promoted. Two reasons for MT to stay and with a contract which is out of kilter with everyone else:- a) He is already settled here and who knows what will happen if he moves. He could well sit on the bench. b) The current players will probably be more accepting of him on that type of contract than someone coming in and it will take a hefty contract to replace him. There will be less chance of a problem in the dressing room. It makes sense all round for him to stay. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 9:27:33 GMT
What's the deal with McBurnie? Is he a chance to sign? Does anyone rate him? Not saying he'd replace MT but we look to be relatively top-heavy with strikers as it stands so just wondered where he sat in the big scheme of things. I assume Rory Fallon was just brought in to do the Haka as a team building exercise for the lads and now he's done that he's gone home? Leaving Harrison, Easter, McBurnie(?) and the forgotten man Lucas. He's a Swansea player but he's plainly no use to them in the Prem. To be honest I didn't see a lot in him, but his opportunities were rather few and far between. Seems a nice lad though. |
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Post by gashead1979 on May 13, 2016 10:31:54 GMT
I was hoping he would sign a contract with the promise of being able to talk to other clubs, so we'd at least get some money for him, similar to the Lambert situation. Why would he do that when he can negotiate a signing on fee?
Well we pretty much resurrected his career after bombing at FGR, so although he can do what he likes it would have been good of him to ensure we made some money from him?
This is the downside to shorter contracts.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 10:57:47 GMT
Why would he do that when he can negotiate a signing on fee?
Well we pretty much resurrected his career after bombing at FGR, so although he can do what he likes it would have been good of him to ensure we made some money from him?
This is the downside to shorter contracts.
And wipe off part of any signing in fee he might get? If we wanted him to feel like that we should've paid him more! |
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Post by tanksfull on May 13, 2016 11:07:24 GMT
Why would he do that when he can negotiate a signing on fee?
Well we pretty much resurrected his career after bombing at FGR, so although he can do what he likes it would have been good of him to ensure we made some money from him?
This is the downside to shorter contracts.
Of course we did (or at least DC and, more probably, MS did) and his goals helped us win promotion so we have benefitted. From when he first came to us (excellent and hardworking player who couldn't finish) to now he is a totally different player; but he has also, no doubt, listened and worked hard to achieve that. He deserves all he gets. We could have offered him a long term contract, he might not have scored many goals and we might not have been promoted. Then there would have been comments and uproar as to why. As the saying goes; "You pays your money and takes your chance". We have done that with a number of players in recent times and they have been a total failure on long expensive contracts. Yes, it's definitely the downside to shorter contracts. The situation is what it is. Hopefully MT will take that into account and, if we can match a genuine offer, he will stay with us. As long as we have a higher grade of football to offer him his best option must surely be to stay? |
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Post by tanksfull on May 13, 2016 11:08:15 GMT
Well we pretty much resurrected his career after bombing at FGR, so although he can do what he likes it would have been good of him to ensure we made some money from him?
This is the downside to shorter contracts.
And wipe off part of any signing in fee he might get? If we wanted him to feel like that we should've paid him more! We might. |
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Looking at the way Billy is taking chances, we may already have our answer.