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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 3, 2016 12:28:20 GMT
I worry about expectations and probable disappointment and disenchantment with all this talk of what we want, where we want it, and we need to be in by August 2017. The whole project is being reassessed. They are effectively going back to the planning stage, including the fundamental and very early stage 'what's it' for?' question - with talk of taking your time to get that right. The compromise that's been reached in south Bristol is totally irrelevant. I think more interesting is the sort of commercial develoments they would learn from. Yer man mentioned the Madjeski and visiting comparable visions, The existing plans sought to provide a football ground of X size, teaching space for UWE, and add in a shop and a gym. It sounds like they want to come at this from a different angle and end up with a different sort of venue / hub / complex and, frankly, money spinner. Whacking up a stadium is seen as outdated and wasting an opportunity. That would tie in with talk of extra land and freeholds. We've got an expert in stadia in general, not just the building of them, and a man who deals with the commercials and funding streams. This is a major reboot and we're back to the drawing board, so I think imminent expectations need to be parked.We'll still be in a new stadium long before it would ever have happened under Higgs. Bamber, let sleeping dogs lie. The King is dead long live the king !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 12:33:52 GMT
I worry about expectations and probable disappointment and disenchantment with all this talk of what we want, where we want it, and we need to be in by August 2017. The whole project is being reassessed. They are effectively going back to the planning stage, including the fundamental and very early stage 'what's it' for?' question - with talk of taking your time to get that right. The compromise that's been reached in south Bristol is totally irrelevant. I think more interesting is the sort of commercial develoments they would learn from. Yer man mentioned the Madjeski and visiting comparable visions, The existing plans sought to provide a football ground of X size, teaching space for UWE, and add in a shop and a gym. It sounds like they want to come at this from a different angle and end up with a different sort of venue / hub / complex and, frankly, money spinner. Whacking up a stadium is seen as outdated and wasting an opportunity. That would tie in with talk of extra land and freeholds. We've got an expert in stadia in general, not just the building of them, and a man who deals with the commercials and funding streams. This is a major reboot and we're back to the drawing board, so I think imminent expectations need to be parked.We'll still be in a new stadium long before it would ever have happened under Higgs. True, not least because we've got a man who deals with the commercials and funding streams.I just predict a lot of despair that we seem to have paused or even gone backwards ahead of going forward (even though we actually paused over two years ago ahead of a dead end).
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Post by nerdgas on Mar 3, 2016 12:58:59 GMT
I worry about expectations and probable disappointment and disenchantment with all this talk of what we want, where we want it, and we need to be in by August 2017. The whole project is being reassessed. They are effectively going back to the planning stage, including the fundamental and very early stage 'what's it' for?' question - with talk of taking your time to get that right. The compromise that's been reached in south Bristol is totally irrelevant. I think more interesting is the sort of commercial develoments they would learn from. Yer man mentioned the Madjeski and visiting comparable visions, The existing plans sought to provide a football ground of X size, teaching space for UWE, and add in a shop and a gym. It sounds like they want to come at this from a different angle and end up with a different sort of venue / hub / complex and, frankly, money spinner. Whacking up a stadium is seen as outdated and wasting an opportunity. That would tie in with talk of extra land and freeholds. We've got an expert in stadia in general, not just the building of them, and a man who deals with the commercials and funding streams. This is a major reboot and we're back to the drawing board, so I think imminent expectations need to be parked. I'm looking forward to seeing proposed plans for the new stadium in whatever the new form is without a sense of dread that once again I'm being taken for a ride. It'll be the first time I'll be able to get excited without a nagging feeling I'm being hoodwinked!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 14:27:47 GMT
I know amazing isn't it. Reasons are they have a rich Russian who has bank-rolled the last 3 years and they have Eddie Howe who I've said before is an exceptional, tactically aware manager. It's really strange, the fans never sing about the players it's always the manager. The really great thing from a fans point of view is the number of players who were in the League 1 promotion team and play regularly in premiership. So to answer your question, a rich Russian, a great manager and some very good players in a very close knitted, together squad that all came together at the same time. And it shows it can be done.....come on Rovers! UTG! Ignoring the Financial Fair Play rules has helped, too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 14:45:36 GMT
We'll still be in a new stadium long before it would ever have happened under Higgs. Bamber, let sleeping dogs lie. The King is dead long live the king ! Well said. Lighten up Bamber.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 3, 2016 14:56:56 GMT
I know amazing isn't it. Reasons are they have a rich Russian who has bank-rolled the last 3 years and they have Eddie Howe who I've said before is an exceptional, tactically aware manager. It's really strange, the fans never sing about the players it's always the manager. The really great thing from a fans point of view is the number of players who were in the League 1 promotion team and play regularly in premiership. So to answer your question, a rich Russian, a great manager and some very good players in a very close knitted, together squad that all came together at the same time. And it shows it can be done.....come on Rovers! UTG! Ignoring the Financial Fair Play rules has helped, too. Prob true but no more than many other clubs. And, I understand, they are disputing that allegation. I have no love for B'mouth but I have admired the way they have gone about it, no Billy Big B***** there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 16:39:26 GMT
Bamber, let sleeping dogs lie. The King is dead long live the king ! Well said. Lighten up Bamber. Couldn't be happier. Was just trying to give some perspective to Seth saying that people may become restless if things don't happen immediately.
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Mar 4, 2016 6:38:59 GMT
I have no doubt that we would fill up a decent sized stadium if we were playing high enough up the leagues but if, for example, we built a 30,000 seater stadium now we'd do well to get a regular attendance of 10,000 at our current level or even the one above. This is spot on and I saw what it looked like when we travelled up to Birmingham. I really don't like the thought of us in a stadium that holds 21,700, not while we are in leagues 2 or 1. I am in a minority when I say I would prefer to have us rebuild the mem. I can't think of anything worse than us, in league one and not competing. You only have to go back to the last season under Trollope. We were averaging less than now and the atmosphere was poor to say the least. I know that we HAVE to have a new stadium if we are to grow but I can only imagine the glee of our red friends, when we get gates of 7K in a 21,700 stadium. I believe we need to get the football side of things right first. I know many don't like me reminding them of this but we always had less support than the 82 & that was under Megson and playing 2nd tier football. I haven't done any research into Bournemouth but I don't think they have a new stadium as yet ? Maybe someone can put me right on that. KP I had the same concerns as you under the old regime, if we build the ground the the board would say "we need 15,000 to break even" directors loans, unfinished facilities, stuck in league two on 7,000 etc. what we have now developing is a solid infrastructure with a board who have serious money behind them, who will spend in a measured way as we develop on the field, I have no worries that we will fill the stadium, when it's built, but like you I've been here too many times before, I need to see that first brick laid before I get too excited!!!!
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