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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 22:49:28 GMT
Someone already said it. This is like a dream where you keep expecting to wake up. I think what impresses me most isn't just the calibre of people coming in, but the fact that Wael has set out his strategy very clearly from day dot and almost immediately he has put the people in place that he needs to deliver that strategy. Seriously happy to see his approach is to get the right people in, take his time to get it right and then build the team from that solid base. My only concern is that it's very clear that the stadium design and contracts are under review. I mean we're likely to end up with something even better than before which is terrific, but I do hope that they don't get a surprise when they decide to make the changes, re-apply for planning permission and then get bogged down in Planet Nimby all over again. Bloody brilliant though! I would imagine South Gloucs Council will be falling over themselves to agree to anything. They are struggling to agree the size of wheelie bins at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 22:57:25 GMT
I would imagine South Gloucs Council will be falling over themselves to agree to anything. They are struggling to agree the size of wheelie bins at the moment. Take your recycling back to Devon then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 23:11:58 GMT
They are struggling to agree the size of wheelie bins at the moment. Take your recycling back to Devon then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 23:25:59 GMT
So, June 2014, the Chairman said they were going to sort out who was responsible for what; February 2016 we were still waiting for the conclusion. Then this: experts in their field called in to address the key facets of the business.
As for no need for the moaning forum, how about this is what some of us have been banging on about for years; do things properly. The Internet Warriors are singing the same tune as the establishment. Anyone who disagrees obviously has a hidden agenda (or some such crap). How disgraceful. Hopefully they'll carry on just wanting to support the team (like that's been fruitful).
I hope I'm not crowing, but, frankly, cock-a-doodle-doo.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Mar 3, 2016 6:35:35 GMT
Someone already said it. This is like a dream where you keep expecting to wake up. I think what impresses me most isn't just the calibre of people coming in, but the fact that Wael has set out his strategy very clearly from day dot and almost immediately he has put the people in place that he needs to deliver that strategy. Seriously happy to see his approach is to get the right people in, take his time to get it right and then build the team from that solid base. My only concern is that it's very clear that the stadium design and contracts are under review. I mean we're likely to end up with something even better than before which is terrific, but I do hope that they don't get a surprise when they decide to make the changes, re-apply for planning permission and then get bogged down in Planet Nimby all over again. Bloody brilliant though! I would imagine South Gloucs Council will be falling over themselves to agree to anything. Yes, but it's not SGC we're going to have to worry about as such. Their officers are there to ensure that any plan submitted is within the set and allowable criteria which I don't see a problem with. However they also have to take into account the opinion and potential objections of any local pressure groups who decide they have grounds (no matter how spurious) to try and halt the proposal. And isn't this what got us into this mess in the first place? It's not simply a case of SGC want a stadium too so they'll wave it through with one hand and give Radish and Chums the middle digit with the other. Forgive me for being a little pessimistic. I can just see another five years of protracted wrangling with a bunch of newt spotters and their erstwhile leader the vegetable woman.
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Post by singupgas on Mar 3, 2016 6:40:20 GMT
I would imagine South Gloucs Council will be falling over themselves to agree to anything. Yes, but it's not SGC we're going to have to worry about as such. Their officers are there to ensure that any plan submitted is within the set and allowable criteria which I don't see a problem with. However they also have to take into account the opinion and potential objections of any local pressure groups who decide they have grounds (no matter how spurious) to try and halt the proposal. And isn't this what got us into this mess in the first place? It's not simply a case of SGC want a stadium too so they'll wave it through with one hand and give Radish and Chums the middle digit with the other. Forgive me for being a little pessimistic. I can just see another five years of protracted wrangling with a bunch of newt spotters and their erstwhile leader the vegetable woman. They should tell local pressure groups to f off and stop preventing progress.
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Post by Lazza on Mar 3, 2016 9:31:31 GMT
To be honest, with everything that's happened so far and the calibre of the business people that the new owners are surrounding themselves with, I don't care that much about them telling us every detail of what they are doing, I'm as sure as sure can be that we'll be sat in a new stadium as soon as possible and that the future is as secure as it can be for any football club. 1 year ago we had Bradshaw arguing with supporters about what T-shirts the club shop should sell, and today we have a man who it seems project managed the build of Wembley stadium working with us. You literally couldn't make this up. Not a milkman, a wood salesman or a dodgy microwave dealer, in sight. Post of the year Gasgirl!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 9:44:48 GMT
Not a milkman, a wood salesman or a dodgy microwave dealer, in sight. Post of the year Gasgirl!!! Factually incorrect. The correct terminology is Timber Merchant (retired). Carry on.........
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Post by Lazza on Mar 3, 2016 9:47:13 GMT
Post of the year Gasgirl!!! Factually incorrect. The correct terminology is Timber Merchant (retired). Carry on......... Pedantic or what Kevin.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 3, 2016 10:05:23 GMT
Time to disband this forum and revert to Gaschat fellows - there's no place for you now ? This forum existed first and I prefer the balance of the two forums. Any way, hasn't this subject been done several times before. It keeps coming up and it seems that gaschat users are bringing up more often than not. I came here after using the other place & found it quite hostile at first but then I realised that the tolerance for BS is much less here & I like to think that has made me a more rounded and grounded poster. I do, on occasion, browse gaschat but even though it has cleaned up a bit, I still see much deteriorate into petty squabble and what is basically banter. For me, I prefer this place and the knowledge base within this forum. I would go as far as to say that this forum is the better place for the older gasheads. I just wouldn't use any forum if that were the only choice. Vive la difference and all that
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 3, 2016 10:14:41 GMT
Perhaps you are under estimating the power of marketing and reaching out to a wider audience... I have no doubt that we would fill up a decent sized stadium if we were playing high enough up the leagues but if, for example, we built a 30,000 seater stadium now we'd do well to get a regular attendance of 10,000 at our current level or even the one above. This is spot on and I saw what it looked like when we travelled up to Birmingham. I really don't like the thought of us in a stadium that holds 21,700, not while we are in leagues 2 or 1. I am in a minority when I say I would prefer to have us rebuild the mem. I can't think of anything worse than us, in league one and not competing. You only have to go back to the last season under Trollope. We were averaging less than now and the atmosphere was poor to say the least. I know that we HAVE to have a new stadium if we are to grow but I can only imagine the glee of our red friends, when we get gates of 7K in a 21,700 stadium. I believe we need to get the football side of things right first. I know many don't like me reminding them of this but we always had less support than the 82 & that was under Megson and playing 2nd tier football. I haven't done any research into Bournemouth but I don't think they have a new stadium as yet ? Maybe someone can put me right on that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 10:19:02 GMT
Post of the year Gasgirl!!! Factually incorrect. The correct terminology is Timber Merchant (retired). Carry on......... Can you still get wood?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 10:47:57 GMT
Factually incorrect. The correct terminology is Timber Merchant (retired). Carry on......... Can you still get wood? With a little help.
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Post by singupgas on Mar 3, 2016 11:05:33 GMT
I have no doubt that we would fill up a decent sized stadium if we were playing high enough up the leagues but if, for example, we built a 30,000 seater stadium now we'd do well to get a regular attendance of 10,000 at our current level or even the one above. This is spot on and I saw what it looked like when we travelled up to Birmingham. I really don't like the thought of us in a stadium that holds 21,700, not while we are in leagues 2 or 1. I am in a minority when I say I would prefer to have us rebuild the mem. I can't think of anything worse than us, in league one and not competing. You only have to go back to the last season under Trollope. We were averaging less than now and the atmosphere was poor to say the least. I know that we HAVE to have a new stadium if we are to grow but I can only imagine the glee of our red friends, when we get gates of 7K in a 21,700 stadium. I believe we need to get the football side of things right first. I know many don't like me reminding them of this but we always had less support than the 82 & that was under Megson and playing 2nd tier football. I haven't done any research into Bournemouth but I don't think they have a new stadium as yet ? Maybe someone can put me right on that. We are our own project though now and shouldn't compare ourselves to any other club now or our past. A stadium with whatever the capacity will attract interest from local and we will be able to tap into UWE with students. Just look at Brighton, their attendances have at least doubled. I think after watching the interview yesterday that there is some indication we won't be sticking to the original 'Nick Higgs' stadium plans and will look at doing something different and more impressive if the words world class are anything to go buy. If Wael wants world class, to host such events; internationals and concerts, we would need to build something bigger and better than trashton.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 3, 2016 11:17:17 GMT
I have no doubt that we would fill up a decent sized stadium if we were playing high enough up the leagues but if, for example, we built a 30,000 seater stadium now we'd do well to get a regular attendance of 10,000 at our current level or even the one above. This is spot on and I saw what it looked like when we travelled up to Birmingham. I really don't like the thought of us in a stadium that holds 21,700, not while we are in leagues 2 or 1. I am in a minority when I say I would prefer to have us rebuild the mem. I can't think of anything worse than us, in league one and not competing. You only have to go back to the last season under Trollope. We were averaging less than now and the atmosphere was poor to say the least. I know that we HAVE to have a new stadium if we are to grow but I can only imagine the glee of our red friends, when we get gates of 7K in a 21,700 stadium. I believe we need to get the football side of things right first. I know many don't like me reminding them of this but we always had less support than the 82 & that was under Megson and playing 2nd tier football. I haven't done any research into Bournemouth but I don't think they have a new stadium as yet ? Maybe someone can put me right on that. Bournemouth redeveloped Dean Court in summer 2001, played in Dorchester autumn 2001 and went home in November. It was a quick fix Lego like build a bit like Notts Co but ok. They filled in the empty end with a stadium when they got promotion to the Championship 2 years ago. Only holds 12,000 but is now, obviously, always full. Pretty enclosed and a cracking atmosphere but biggest drawback is parking - a nightmare. Rumours are that they were looking to fill in the corners this time last year but they put it on hold to see if they survive in premiership. I suspect it will happen if they survive this year. No real plans for a new stadium. Their fan base is prob smaller than us and if they go back down leagues I would expect the newbies to rapidly disappear. I always thought that 12,000 was too small for premiership but the actual TV money is so vast that it seems not to matter. UTG!
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Post by richmace on Mar 3, 2016 11:21:21 GMT
This is spot on and I saw what it looked like when we travelled up to Birmingham. I really don't like the thought of us in a stadium that holds 21,700, not while we are in leagues 2 or 1. I am in a minority when I say I would prefer to have us rebuild the mem. I can't think of anything worse than us, in league one and not competing. You only have to go back to the last season under Trollope. We were averaging less than now and the atmosphere was poor to say the least. I know that we HAVE to have a new stadium if we are to grow but I can only imagine the glee of our red friends, when we get gates of 7K in a 21,700 stadium. I believe we need to get the football side of things right first. I know many don't like me reminding them of this but we always had less support than the 82 & that was under Megson and playing 2nd tier football. I haven't done any research into Bournemouth but I don't think they have a new stadium as yet ? Maybe someone can put me right on that. Bournemouth redeveloped Dean Court in summer 2001, played in Dorchester autumn 2001 and went home in November. It was a quick fix Lego like build a bit like Notts Co but ok. They filled in the empty end with a stadium when they got promotion to the Championship 2 years ago. Only holds 12,000 but is now, obviously, always full. Pretty enclosed and a cracking atmosphere but biggest drawback is parking - a nightmare. Rumours are that they were looking to fill in the corners this time last year but they put it on hold to see if they survive in premiership. I suspect it will happen if they survive this year. No real plans for a new stadium. Their fan base is prob smaller than us and if they go back down leagues I would expect the newbies to rapidly disappear. I always thought that 12,000 was too small for premiership but the actual TV money is so vast that it seems not to matter. UTG! So how on earth are Bournemouth in the Premiership with a ground capacity 452 less than ours??? I knew that had built a new stadium, but assumed it was in the 20-30K region...
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 3, 2016 11:30:57 GMT
I know amazing isn't it. Reasons are they have a rich Russian who has bank-rolled the last 3 years and they have Eddie Howe who I've said before is an exceptional, tactically aware manager. It's really strange, the fans never sing about the players it's always the manager. The really great thing from a fans point of view is the number of players who were in the League 1 promotion team and play regularly in premiership. So to answer your question, a rich Russian, a great manager and some very good players in a very close knitted, together squad that all came together at the same time. And it shows it can be done.....come on Rovers! UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 11:43:52 GMT
I worry about expectations and probable disappointment and disenchantment with all this talk of what we want, where we want it, and we need to be in by August 2017.
The whole project is being reassessed. They are effectively going back to the planning stage, including the fundamental and very early stage 'what's it' for?' question - with talk of taking your time to get that right.
The compromise that's been reached in south Bristol is totally irrelevant. I think more interesting is the sort of commercial develoments they would learn from. Yer man mentioned the Madjeski and visiting comparable visions, The existing plans sought to provide a football ground of X size, teaching space for UWE, and add in a shop and a gym. It sounds like they want to come at this from a different angle and end up with a different sort of venue / hub / complex and, frankly, money spinner. Whacking up a stadium is seen as outdated and wasting an opportunity.
That would tie in with talk of extra land and freeholds. We've got an expert in stadia in general, not just the building of them, and a man who deals with the commercials and funding streams. This is a major reboot and we're back to the drawing board, so I think imminent expectations need to be parked.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 11:54:13 GMT
I worry about expectations and probable disappointment and disenchantment with all this talk of what we want, where we want it, and we need to be in by August 2017. The whole project is being reassessed. They are effectively going back to the planning stage, including the fundamental and very early stage 'what's it' for?' question - with talk of taking your time to get that right. The compromise that's been reached in south Bristol is totally irrelevant. I think more interesting is the sort of commercial develoments they would learn from. Yer man mentioned the Madjeski and visiting comparable visions, The existing plans sought to provide a football ground of X size, teaching space for UWE, and add in a shop and a gym. It sounds like they want to come at this from a different angle and end up with a different sort of venue / hub / complex and, frankly, money spinner. Whacking up a stadium is seen as outdated and wasting an opportunity. That would tie in with talk of extra land and freeholds. We've got an expert in stadia in general, not just the building of them, and a man who deals with the commercials and funding streams. This is a major reboot and we're back to the drawing board, so I think imminent expectations need to be parked.We'll still be in a new stadium long before it would ever have happened under Higgs.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Mar 3, 2016 11:56:59 GMT
I worry about expectations and probable disappointment and disenchantment with all this talk of what we want, where we want it, and we need to be in by August 2017. The whole project is being reassessed. They are effectively going back to the planning stage, including the fundamental and very early stage 'what's it' for?' question - with talk of taking your time to get that right. The compromise that's been reached in south Bristol is totally irrelevant. I think more interesting is the sort of commercial develoments they would learn from. Yer man mentioned the Madjeski and visiting comparable visions, The existing plans sought to provide a football ground of X size, teaching space for UWE, and add in a shop and a gym. It sounds like they want to come at this from a different angle and end up with a different sort of venue / hub / complex and, frankly, money spinner. Whacking up a stadium is seen as outdated and wasting an opportunity. That would tie in with talk of extra land and freeholds. We've got an expert in stadia in general, not just the building of them, and a man who deals with the commercials and funding streams. This is a major reboot and we're back to the drawing board, so I think imminent expectations need to be parked. I'd agree entirely. It is a matter of public record that Michael Cunnah' s experience with Wembley was troubled with a series of adjustments to scope mid project, which led to dispute with the builders, cost increases etc. In his interview, he emphasized the need to work longer on getting the "planning phase" right to avoid dispute and cost increase. I took him to mean planning within the detailed project build, rather than the formal South Gloucestershire planning process, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that we end up going back to amend the existing planning permission or even to start afresh. They are clearly going over everything - technical and commercial - with a fine toothed comb and I suspect that changes will be made on both fronts that will take time. Although we haven't heard from UWE, I do take it as encouraging that Lee Atkins reports positive engagement with the University.
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