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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 16:03:00 GMT
Your Plan B doesn't really sound like our/the clubs plan to be honest if brfc isn't involved. I thought Plan B was the Higgs master plan which the ITK's were keen to stop by promoting the mystery consortium who have a Plan C? If that's what's happening then I'm left wondering why we need all the cloak and dagger stuff? A decent Chairman would share his vision, sell it to the supporters and give us all something to get behind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 16:23:56 GMT
I thought Plan B was the Higgs master plan which the ITK's were keen to stop by promoting the mystery consortium who have a Plan C? A decent Chairman would share his vision, sell it to the supporters and give us all something to get behind. Brilliant idea. Who would you suggest once Mr Numpty leaves the scene?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2015 16:51:16 GMT
A decent Chairman would share his vision, sell it to the supporters and give us all something to get behind. Brilliant idea. Who would you suggest once Mr Numpty leaves the scene? Depends just how much of a mess he leaves behind and whether or not he's prepared to be grown up and accept that the losses, court costs and Wonga interest are all of his own making and if he takes the financial hit himself.
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Post by mjhgas on Oct 4, 2015 17:26:44 GMT
I thought Plan B was the Higgs master plan which the ITK's were keen to stop by promoting the mystery consortium who have a Plan C? If that's what's happening then I'm left wondering why we need all the cloak and dagger stuff? A decent Chairman would share his vision, sell it to the supporters and give us all something to get behind. And therein lies the problem!!!!
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Oct 5, 2015 5:41:56 GMT
The shame of all this is that we could see the light at the end of the very long tunnel, a glittering prize that had the ability to bring in proper income streams into the club, while at the same time lifting the glass ceiling off our ambitions as a club. Unfortunately, when we needed a credible plan B NH didn't have one, and was bullish in saying it in the media. Now what we are left with off the pitch is a omi shambles of a club, with communications officers employed that don't communicate, web sites that are almost impossible to use. Oh for someone with real money!!!!! The wait goes on.... ...
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Post by tanksfull on Oct 5, 2015 7:17:05 GMT
The shame of all this is that we could see the light at the end of the very long tunnel, a glittering prize that had the ability to bring in proper income streams into the club, while at the same time lifting the glass ceiling off our ambitions as a club. Unfortunately, when we needed a credible plan B NH didn't have one, and was bullish in saying it in the media. Now what we are left with off the pitch is a omi shambles of a club, with communications officers employed that don't communicate, web sites that are almost impossible to use. Oh for someone with real money!!!!! The wait goes on.... ... A consortium which might invest in the Club will likely want a potential gain of some sort and it is likely to be monitary? They will also likely want an exit strategy to realise their increased asset? Would the Club receive the proper income streams you mention or would they go to the consortium? Who might they sell the Club to if their investment results in an increased value (promotion)? The problem is we don't know. I don't expect detail or negotiations to be carried out in public but I think supporters deserve much better (from both sides) than how we are treated and what we are served up with.
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Post by droitwichgas on Oct 5, 2015 7:45:50 GMT
The shame of all this is that we could see the light at the end of the very long tunnel, a glittering prize that had the ability to bring in proper income streams into the club, while at the same time lifting the glass ceiling off our ambitions as a club. Unfortunately, when we needed a credible plan B NH didn't have one, and was bullish in saying it in the media. Now what we are left with off the pitch is a omi shambles of a club, with communications officers employed that don't communicate, web sites that are almost impossible to use. Oh for someone with real money!!!!! The wait goes on.... ... A consortium which might invest in the Club will likely want a potential gain of some sort and it is likely to be monitary? They will also likely want an exit strategy to realise their increased asset? Would the Club receive the proper income streams you mention or would they go to the consortium? Who might they sell the Club to if their investment results in an increased value (promotion)? The problem is we don't know. I don't expect detail or negotiations to be carried out in public but I think supporters deserve much better (from both sides) than how we are treated and what we are served up with. Assuming BRFC still owns the UWE can anything really be worse than it is now? Watchng Rovers struggle in lower league football whilst running up massive debts is hardly that enjoyable. Surely somebody willing to invest millions in a new staduim will want a decent football team to play in it?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 5, 2015 9:03:58 GMT
The shame of all this is that we could see the light at the end of the very long tunnel, a glittering prize that had the ability to bring in proper income streams into the club, while at the same time lifting the glass ceiling off our ambitions as a club. Unfortunately, when we needed a credible plan B NH didn't have one, and was bullish in saying it in the media. Now what we are left with off the pitch is a omi shambles of a club, with communications officers employed that don't communicate, web sites that are almost impossible to use. Oh for someone with real money!!!!! The wait goes on.... ... A consortium which might invest in the Club will likely want a potential gain of some sort and it is likely to be monitary? They will also likely want an exit strategy to realise their increased asset?Would the Club receive the proper income streams you mention or would they go to the consortium? Who might they sell the Club to if their investment results in an increased value (promotion)? The problem is we don't know. I don't expect detail or negotiations to be carried out in public but I think supporters deserve much better (from both sides) than how we are treated and what we are served up with. Would they want an exit strategy? Depends who it is and why they buy. 2 of the most criticised club owners ~ Abramovitch and the Glazers ~ haven't been in a hurry to sell.
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Post by tanksfull on Oct 5, 2015 9:29:21 GMT
A consortium which might invest in the Club will likely want a potential gain of some sort and it is likely to be monitary? They will also likely want an exit strategy to realise their increased asset? Would the Club receive the proper income streams you mention or would they go to the consortium? Who might they sell the Club to if their investment results in an increased value (promotion)? The problem is we don't know. I don't expect detail or negotiations to be carried out in public but I think supporters deserve much better (from both sides) than how we are treated and what we are served up with. Assuming BRFC still owns the UWE can anything really be worse than it is now? Watchng Rovers struggle in lower league football whilst running up massive debts is hardly that enjoyable. Surely somebody willing to invest millions in a new staduim will want a decent football team to play in it? Yes of course they would. They will also likely (sorry to keep using that word) want something out of it. It appears we are not dealing with an individual who has money to burn. We are probably not dealing with Rovers supporters. Any consortium investor will want a return on their investment? We are told they will invest in the stadium but we are not told BRFC will own it. I am certainly not advocating that what we have is good; far, far from it. It could in fact be argued that anything is better. Whichever the supporters deserve better than what we are currently being told. Nick Higgs is, as is par for the course, playing with words.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 9:34:33 GMT
The shame of all this is that we could see the light at the end of the very long tunnel, a glittering prize that had the ability to bring in proper income streams into the club, while at the same time lifting the glass ceiling off our ambitions as a club. Unfortunately, when we needed a credible plan B NH didn't have one, and was bullish in saying it in the media. Now what we are left with off the pitch is a omi shambles of a club, with communications officers employed that don't communicate, web sites that are almost impossible to use. Oh for someone with real money!!!!! The wait goes on.... ... We were never told who would own the parts of the stadium complex that would generate non-match day revenue. Just chucking money around without a proper plan is what took us out of the League. I know I keep banging on about this, but Mike Turl's Sollihull Moors, founded in 2007, are top of the League, undefeated and still making a profit on gates of 400. Imagine where we could be now if the events of 2006 had played out differently.
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Post by tanksfull on Oct 5, 2015 9:40:00 GMT
A consortium which might invest in the Club will likely want a potential gain of some sort and it is likely to be monitary? They will also likely want an exit strategy to realise their increased asset?Would the Club receive the proper income streams you mention or would they go to the consortium? Who might they sell the Club to if their investment results in an increased value (promotion)? The problem is we don't know. I don't expect detail or negotiations to be carried out in public but I think supporters deserve much better (from both sides) than how we are treated and what we are served up with. Would they want an exit strategy? Depends who it is and why they buy.2 of the most criticised club owners ~ Abramovitch and the Glazers ~ haven't been in a hurry to sell. Absolutely. A single person maybe but a consortium of people who are not(?) Rovers supporters? Chelsea is a plaything and MUFC are making very large profits for the Glazers. There is massive potential at BRFC with a stadium but I do not see profit. We could never compete with the tradition and overseas exposure of some clubs. Whilst I have some sympathy with Nick Higgs he does not appear to be being totally honest with supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 12:22:09 GMT
The shame of all this is that we could see the light at the end of the very long tunnel, a glittering prize that had the ability to bring in proper income streams into the club, while at the same time lifting the glass ceiling off our ambitions as a club. Unfortunately, when we needed a credible plan B NH didn't have one, and was bullish in saying it in the media. Now what we are left with off the pitch is a omi shambles of a club, with communications officers employed that don't communicate, web sites that are almost impossible to use. Oh for someone with real money!!!!! The wait goes on.... ... A consortium which might invest in the Club will likely want a potential gain of some sort and it is likely to be monitary? They will also likely want an exit strategy to realise their increased asset? Would the Club receive the proper income streams you mention or would they go to the consortium? Who might they sell the Club to if their investment results in an increased value (promotion)? The problem is we don't know. I don't expect detail or negotiations to be carried out in public but I think supporters deserve much better (from both sides) than how we are treated and what we are served up with. I agree with your last three paragraphs. On the first one, though, I think that would be a good thing. If one if their concerns is eventually to sell the club for a profit, that would mean creating a more successful club than we have at the moment. That's different from milking it of income streams and asset stripping, but if they're looking to buy a failing business, improve it, and sell it at a profit, good. People with a plan to improve it, rather than continuing the hand to mouth, struggle through, short termism we had for years, followed by all emphasis on a fantasy property development and never mind the football or PR, well that would be welcome, imo.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 5, 2015 12:52:31 GMT
The shame of all this is that we could see the light at the end of the very long tunnel, a glittering prize that had the ability to bring in proper income streams into the club, while at the same time lifting the glass ceiling off our ambitions as a club. Unfortunately, when we needed a credible plan B NH didn't have one, and was bullish in saying it in the media. Now what we are left with off the pitch is a omi shambles of a club, with communications officers employed that don't communicate, web sites that are almost impossible to use. Oh for someone with real money!!!!! The wait goes on.... ... We were never told who would own the parts of the stadium complex that would generate non-match day revenue. Just chucking money around without a proper plan is what took us out of the League. I know I keep banging on about this, but Mike Turl's Sollihull Moors, founded in 2007, are top of the League, undefeated and still making a profit on gates of 400. I magine where we could be now if the events of 2006 had played out differently.National Southern league playing Bath City
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 13:28:39 GMT
We were never told who would own the parts of the stadium complex that would generate non-match day revenue. Just chucking money around without a proper plan is what took us out of the League. I know I keep banging on about this, but Mike Turl's Sollihull Moors, founded in 2007, are top of the League, undefeated and still making a profit on gates of 400. I magine where we could be now if the events of 2006 had played out differently.National Southern league playing Bath City That's possible but more likely would be stable L1 without multi-million pound debts hanging over us, with the SC reps being listened to and without the permanant record of having played League fixtures against teams of plumbers, post men and brick layers. Edit. It's always possible that had Nick joined in 2007 but without involving himself in football matters that the new stadium could be being built as we speak? More edit. That's the Bath City that turned us over last year?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 5, 2015 13:53:23 GMT
National Southern league playing Bath City T hat's possible but more likely would be stable L1 without multi-million pound debts hanging over us, with the SC reps being listened to and without the permanant record of having played League fixtures against teams of plumbers, post men and brick layers.Edit. It's always possible that had Nick joined in 2007 but without involving himself in football matters that the new stadium could be being built as we speak? More edit. That's the Bath City that turned us over last year? You got the time machine working then Bamber ? Pure conjecture, we could have done a Hereford as well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 14:01:50 GMT
T hat's possible but more likely would be stable L1 without multi-million pound debts hanging over us, with the SC reps being listened to and without the permanant record of having played League fixtures against teams of plumbers, post men and brick layers.Edit. It's always possible that had Nick joined in 2007 but without involving himself in football matters that the new stadium could be being built as we speak? More edit. That's the Bath City that turned us over last year? You got the time machine working then Bamber ? Pure conjecture, we could have done a Hereford as well That's why I use Solihull as a point of reference. Whilst Hereford were disintigrating, Solihull, Founded 2007, with gates of 400 are making a profit and look like contenders to join the division we were in last year. If you can do that with gates of 400 then L1 with 7000 paying customers should be achieveable.
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Post by fanatical on Oct 5, 2015 14:51:44 GMT
You got the time machine working then Bamber ? Pure conjecture, we could have done a Hereford as well That's why I use Solihull as a point of reference. Whilst Hereford were disintigrating, Solihull, Founded 2007, with gates of 400 are making a profit and look like contenders to join the division we were in last year. If you can do that with gates of 400 then L1 with 7000 paying customers should be achieveable. Excellenet points Bamber. Also no one taking money out of Solihull Moors whereas at Rovers Directors earn inflated interest on the loans to Rovers which are loans and not gifts. Nice little earner!
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 5, 2015 14:59:45 GMT
To be fair to NH (which is a rare occurance) - my understanding is that his loan to the Club is interest free. Not sure about the other Directors though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 15:23:10 GMT
To be fair to NH (which is a rare occurance) - my understanding is that his loan to the Club is interest free. Not sure about the other Directors though. Maybe so, but 2 questions; 1. Was that money put in just to cover losses as a result of poor decisions made by the BoD that he chairs, (and sat behind that, where are the millions from 2 visits to Wembley, FA cup run, Lambert, Caryol, JPT final etc etc etc) 2. Did we ever get any evidence that all income from UWE would have been fed back to the FC?
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Post by Thatslife on Oct 5, 2015 15:39:31 GMT
To be fair to NH (which is a rare occurance) - my understanding is that his loan to the Club is interest free. Not sure about the other Directors though. Maybe so, but 2 questions; 1. Was that money put in just to cover losses as a result of poor decisions made by the BoD that he chairs, (and sat behind that, where are the millions from 2 visits to Wembley, FA cup run, Lambert, Caryol, JPT final etc etc etc) 2. Did we ever get any evidence that all income from UWE would have been fed back to the FC? Q1 Yes it was used to keep us in business Q2 How can there be evidence for something that doesn't exist............yet.
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