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Post by matealotblue on Jul 13, 2015 18:19:28 GMT
......amongst all the angst directed at the BoD.
For me the real villains are Radish, Carstairs and TRASH ( sounds like a dodgy lot when you put it that way). Closely followed by the planning laws of this country (although I think they may be changing slightly in this react if memory serves, but of no use to us now) that allows these sort of people to do nothing illegal but to put a very large spanner in the democratic process of planning by stringing out a process to their own advantage. The outcome in this case was that the delay changed the market conditions such that big supermarkets were beating a hasty retreat by the time they had been put back in their box. But from their point of view it was job done.
Whatever your views on the BoD, and these are yours to hold as you see fit, no one was knocking them too much a few years ago when this was being trumpeted as "the next big thing" that would take us to another level. The fact that an unelected band of muggers, buggers and thieves came along and tripped us up should NEVER be forgotten. The BoD were fighting impossible odds at that point as many others in similar positions have found to their cost. I, unfortunately, can not have a vote or say in any future democratic process as I do not live within boundaries that would allow this. Many of you do. I suggest that when anyone who looks like Radish, talks like Radish, even farts like Radish should be given both barrels when they appear on your doorstep or campaign in your area.
But not sure that NH and his team can be fully held to blame for these circumstances we now find ourselves in and we need to look at the whole picture when apportioning blame.
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Post by dagnogo on Jul 13, 2015 18:25:41 GMT
No-one here likes the Greens or Carstairs. Their disingenuous use of "localism" and the war memorial just to get their way is NIMBYism and it's pathetic.
But the judgment is clear - the contract was badly drafted and gave Sainsbury's an out.
So Nick could've accepted that but he threw money at the court case - money that puts the club in serious financial trouble.
Folk may say that the lawyers claimed we had a great chance but he should know that 50% of lawyers lose and 100% of them get paid.
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 13, 2015 18:38:30 GMT
No-one here likes the Greens or Carstairs. Their disingenuous use of "localism" and the war memorial just to get their way is NIMBYism and it's pathetic. But the judgment is clear - the contract was badly drafted and gave Sainsbury's an out.
So Nick could've accepted that but he threw money at the court case - money that puts the club in serious financial trouble. Folk may say that the lawyers claimed we had a great chance but he should know that 50% of lawyers lose and 100% of them get paid. But surely that is the horns of the dilemma? It came from the judgement and to get that judgement cost money. I assume his legal advice was that he had a chance, as you point out, and if that was his advice he would have got it in the neck from another section of supporters who would argue he should have taken that advice and fought. No win situation I guess. Fact is, though, the conditions for testing this would have been less had TRASH and their cronies not delayed us and given Sainsburys the market conditions to want to back out and show their true colurs. Hence my point that theses people were instrumental in creating the situation. The rest flows from that. |
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Post by tbonegas on Jul 13, 2015 18:52:02 GMT
No-one here likes the Greens or Carstairs. Their disingenuous use of "localism" and the war memorial just to get their way is NIMBYism and it's pathetic. But the judgment is clear - the contract was badly drafted and gave Sainsbury's an out. So Nick could've accepted that but he threw money at the court case - money that puts the club in serious financial trouble. Folk may say that the lawyers claimed we had a great chance but he should know that 50% of lawyers lose and 100% of them get paid. Sack him and his cronies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 19:04:27 GMT
......amongst all the angst directed at the BoD. For me the real villains are Radish, Carstairs and TRASH ( sounds like a dodgy lot when you put it that way). Closely followed by the planning laws of this country (although I think they may be changing slightly in this react if memory serves, but of no use to us now) that allows these sort of people to do nothing illegal but to put a very large spanner in the democratic process of planning by stringing out a process to their own advantage. The outcome in this case was that the delay changed the market conditions such that big supermarkets were beating a hasty retreat by the time they had been put back in their box. But from their point of view it was job done. Whatever your views on the BoD, and these are yours to hold as you see fit, no one was knocking them too much a few years ago when this was being trumpeted as "the next big thing" that would take us to another level. The fact that an unelected band of muggers, buggers and thieves came along and tripped us up should NEVER be forgotten. The BoD were fighting impossible odds at that point as many others in similar positions have found to their cost. I, unfortunately, can not have a vote or say in any future democratic process as I do not live within boundaries that would allow this. Many of you do. I suggest that when anyone who looks like Radish, talks like Radish, even farts like Radish should be given both barrels when they appear on your doorstep or campaign in your area. But not sure that NH and his team can be fully held to blame for these circumstances we now find ourselves in and we need to look at the whole picture when apportioning blame. That's not how the world works. Labour candidates lost their seats, Milliband lost his job. Responsibility falls in the lap of the person sitting in the big seat. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 19:05:51 GMT
......amongst all the angst directed at the BoD. For me the real villains are Radish, Carstairs and TRASH ( sounds like a dodgy lot when you put it that way). Closely followed by the planning laws of this country (although I think they may be changing slightly in this react if memory serves, but of no use to us now) that allows these sort of people to do nothing illegal but to put a very large spanner in the democratic process of planning by stringing out a process to their own advantage. The outcome in this case was that the delay changed the market conditions such that big supermarkets were beating a hasty retreat by the time they had been put back in their box. But from their point of view it was job done. Whatever your views on the BoD, and these are yours to hold as you see fit, no one was knocking them too much a few years ago when this was being trumpeted as "the next big thing" that would take us to another level. The fact that an unelected band of muggers, buggers and thieves came along and tripped us up should NEVER be forgotten. The BoD were fighting impossible odds at that point as many others in similar positions have found to their cost. I, unfortunately, can not have a vote or say in any future democratic process as I do not live within boundaries that would allow this. Many of you do. I suggest that when anyone who looks like Radish, talks like Radish, even farts like Radish should be given both barrels when they appear on your doorstep or campaign in your area. But not sure that NH and his team can be fully held to blame for these circumstances we now find ourselves in and we need to look at the whole picture when apportioning blame. That's not how the world works. Labour candidates lost their seats, Milliband lost his job. Responsibility falls in the lap of the person sitting in the big seat. Miliband doesn't own the Labour party  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 19:07:29 GMT
......amongst all the angst directed at the BoD. For me the real villains are Radish, Carstairs and TRASH ( sounds like a dodgy lot when you put it that way). Closely followed by the planning laws of this country (although I think they may be changing slightly in this react if memory serves, but of no use to us now) that allows these sort of people to do nothing illegal but to put a very large spanner in the democratic process of planning by stringing out a process to their own advantage. The outcome in this case was that the delay changed the market conditions such that big supermarkets were beating a hasty retreat by the time they had been put back in their box. But from their point of view it was job done. Whatever your views on the BoD, and these are yours to hold as you see fit, no one was knocking them too much a few years ago when this was being trumpeted as "the next big thing" that would take us to another level. The fact that an unelected band of muggers, buggers and thieves came along and tripped us up should NEVER be forgotten. The BoD were fighting impossible odds at that point as many others in similar positions have found to their cost. I, unfortunately, can not have a vote or say in any future democratic process as I do not live within boundaries that would allow this. Many of you do. I suggest that when anyone who looks like Radish, talks like Radish, even farts like Radish should be given both barrels when they appear on your doorstep or campaign in your area. But not sure that NH and his team can be fully held to blame for these circumstances we now find ourselves in and we need to look at the whole picture when apportioning blame. And while we are at it let's blame them for relegation, mounting debts, a split fan base, the top to bottom review that never was, goes back to a thread made a while back now that pointed towards constants and variables. There can be deflecting issues as there were with TRASH but one constant remains Nick Higgs and the growing misfortune on many different levels that have arose since 2006 cannot be ignored. No Henbury this isn't a "hidden agenda" it's an opinion that the club has floundered from one fiasco to the next upsetting people along the way and led by one person who has refused to listen and made consistent poor decisions. |
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Post by dagnogo on Jul 13, 2015 19:08:33 GMT
No-one here likes the Greens or Carstairs. Their disingenuous use of "localism" and the war memorial just to get their way is NIMBYism and it's pathetic. But the judgment is clear - the contract was badly drafted and gave Sainsbury's an out.
So Nick could've accepted that but he threw money at the court case - money that puts the club in serious financial trouble. Folk may say that the lawyers claimed we had a great chance but he should know that 50% of lawyers lose and 100% of them get paid. But surely that is the horns of the dilemma? It came from the judgement and to get that judgement cost money. I assume his legal advice was that he had a chance, as you point out, and if that was his advice he would have got it in the neck from another section of supporters who would argue he should have taken that advice and fought. No win situation I guess. Fact is, though, the conditions for testing this would have been less had TRASH and their cronies not delayed us and given Sainsburys the market conditions to want to back out and show their true colurs. Hence my point that theses people were instrumental in creating the situation. The rest flows from that. No issue with people disliking them - I do too - but Higgs doesn't deserve a free pass. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 19:11:58 GMT
I'm just popping to Sainsburys, anyone need anything?
Milk, bread, new ground?
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 13, 2015 19:17:29 GMT
......amongst all the angst directed at the BoD. For me the real villains are Radish, Carstairs and TRASH ( sounds like a dodgy lot when you put it that way). Closely followed by the planning laws of this country (although I think they may be changing slightly in this react if memory serves, but of no use to us now) that allows these sort of people to do nothing illegal but to put a very large spanner in the democratic process of planning by stringing out a process to their own advantage. The outcome in this case was that the delay changed the market conditions such that big supermarkets were beating a hasty retreat by the time they had been put back in their box. But from their point of view it was job done. Whatever your views on the BoD, and these are yours to hold as you see fit, no one was knocking them too much a few years ago when this was being trumpeted as "the next big thing" that would take us to another level. The fact that an unelected band of muggers, buggers and thieves came along and tripped us up should NEVER be forgotten. The BoD were fighting impossible odds at that point as many others in similar positions have found to their cost. I, unfortunately, can not have a vote or say in any future democratic process as I do not live within boundaries that would allow this. Many of you do. I suggest that when anyone who looks like Radish, talks like Radish, even farts like Radish should be given both barrels when they appear on your doorstep or campaign in your area. But not sure that NH and his team can be fully held to blame for these circumstances we now find ourselves in and we need to look at the whole picture when apportioning blame. That's not how the world works. Labour candidates lost their seats, Milliband lost his job. Responsibility falls in the lap of the person sitting in the big seat. Agree with that - but with all due respect that wasn't my point. Which was - in summary - that there has been an awful lot of vitriol on here directed towards NH and the BoD. Some of this may be deserved for other decisions made in other areas of running the club. Your views are your views. But in this particular case NH was not master of all he had taken on for the reasons I outlined in my OP. Generally, we all said he was doing the right thing when this first got approval. Fact is "The System" and some nefarious individuals derailed it - and NH could not, in all fairness, control all those issues. I was just trying to add some balance to the arguments as I think it is unfair to lay all the blame at his door. Not saying he is totally blameless, or that he should/should not go as you suggest. Maybe something for later - if/when an appeal has happened or been knocked back. Lets see what happens. Just wanted a more rounded discussion on how we got to where we are today. And I personally think there are others we should pull into that discussion for this particular issue that seem to have been forgotten in the rush to settle a few scores on other issues. |
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Post by giddygogo on Jul 13, 2015 19:17:59 GMT
I'm just popping to Sainsburys, anyone need anything? Milk, bread, new ground? TWAT!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 13, 2015 19:18:57 GMT
I'm just popping to Sainsburys, anyone need anything? Milk, bread, new ground? Haha! Thought there may be one or two saying something like that. It's a fair cop and probably karma for me taking dog out to sh*t all over Ashton Vale to prove folk used it as a village green, back in the day. And I don't live anywhere near Ashton Vale. ....and I didn't pick the sh*t up, too. So there! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 19:22:02 GMT
I'm just popping to Sainsburys, anyone need anything? Milk, bread, new ground? Haha! Thought there may be one or two saying something like that. It's a fair cop and probably karma for me taking dog out to sh*t all over Ashton Vale to prove folk used it as a village green, back in the day. And I don't live anywhere near Ashton Vale. ....and I didn't pick the sh*t up, too. So there! Allow me to thank you. You see I didn't want us to move and I'm much happier rebuilding our own home now. If you need me to take the dog to Sainsburys let me know? |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jul 13, 2015 19:29:05 GMT
Haha! Thought there may be one or two saying something like that. It's a fair cop and probably karma for me taking dog out to sh*t all over Ashton Vale to prove folk used it as a village green, back in the day. And I don't live anywhere near Ashton Vale. ....and I didn't pick the sh*t up, too. So there! Allow me to thank you. You see I didn't want us to move and I'm much happier rebuilding our own home now. If you need me to take the dog to Sainsburys let me know? Thanks accepted, Kaiser.....every little counts, and all that. Don't blame you wanting to stay in your home, much like dog, like to wallow in a sh*thole. |
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 13, 2015 19:29:46 GMT
But surely that is the horns of the dilemma? It came from the judgement and to get that judgement cost money. I assume his legal advice was that he had a chance, as you point out, and if that was his advice he would have got it in the neck from another section of supporters who would argue he should have taken that advice and fought. No win situation I guess. Fact is, though, the conditions for testing this would have been less had TRASH and their cronies not delayed us and given Sainsburys the market conditions to want to back out and show their true colurs. Hence my point that theses people were instrumental in creating the situation. The rest flows from that. No issue with people disliking them - I do too - but Higgs doesn't deserve a free pass. Not giving him one. He will stand/fall on his decisions. And I can understand that on other issues where debates will no doubt continue. But I do think that on this particular planning issue the whole debate was blaming NH as if he, and he alone, was responsible for our situation (I accept his position makes him responsible from a BRFC perspective) - but I just felt that if we are going to have a rounded debate about the rights and wrongs of how we got to where we are today then there are other villains (in my view - others may see them as heroes depending which angle you are coming from)that were being forgotten about. That's pretty much it really. Let the debate continue......! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 19:31:48 GMT
I'm just popping to Sainsburys, anyone need anything? Milk, bread, new ground? Well hello there, yes please if you are buying! I will have a bottle (no make that two) of merlot and a bottle of port. Need to get ready to start again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 19:34:13 GMT
I'm just popping to Sainsburys, anyone need anything? Milk, bread, new ground? Well hello there, yes please if you are buying! I will have a bottle (no make that two) of merlot and a bottle of port. Need to get ready to start again. Ah yes seeing as you and I share the beautiful county of Oxfordshire I'll be happy to oblige. You'll have to speak up a bit though - you know there's an entire division between us....  |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 13, 2015 19:37:12 GMT
I'm just popping to Sainsburys, anyone need anything? Milk, bread, new ground? No thanks, last time I saw a sheed shopping, they spent £65M and ended up with f**k all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 19:40:18 GMT
Well hello there, yes please if you are buying! I will have a bottle (no make that two) of merlot and a bottle of port. Need to get ready to start again. Ah yes seeing as you and I share the beautiful county of Oxfordshire I'll be happy to oblige. You'll have to speak up a bit though - you know there's an entire division between us.... no, thatll be the sh1t between your ears |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 19:48:27 GMT
Well hello there, yes please if you are buying! I will have a bottle (no make that two) of merlot and a bottle of port. Need to get ready to start again. Ah yes seeing as you and I share the beautiful county of Oxfordshire I'll be happy to oblige. You'll have to speak up a bit though - you know there's an entire division between us.... Be nice to people on the way up. You may well find that if / when Lansdown finds himself rubbing shoulders with some seriously wealthy people in the football world that he loses the appetite to continue funding his little vanity project, then you will be right back to 1982. Oh, and your manager is a bit thick. My Daughter could buy her way out of L1 with the budget that Wurzel had, he's about to come up against some much more serious characters, will be amazed if he's still there after Christmas. |
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