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Post by billyocean on Jul 13, 2015 16:24:57 GMT
We’ve already spent a fortune on the court case and there is talk of an appeal. I really can’t see us having any chance of winning an appeal based on what I saw in court and what I've read about the case and the process. It’s surely just throwing good money after bad.
Does anyone actually think it’s worth appealing today's decision?
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Post by fanatical on Jul 13, 2015 16:35:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 19:00:21 GMT
Have you actually read that article or just the headline?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 19:08:33 GMT
Sainsburys provide bigger brown envelopes than Rovers so NO.
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Post by billyocean on Jul 14, 2015 16:30:49 GMT
That's pretty emphatic. 3 votes for yes though. Higgs, Watola and Matthias?
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Post by crater on Jul 14, 2015 16:37:02 GMT
We’ve already spent a fortune on the court case and there is talk of an appeal. I really can’t see us having any chance of winning an appeal based on what I saw in court and what I've read about the case and the process. It’s surely just throwing good money after bad. Does anyone actually think it’s worth appealing today's decision? The lawyers think it's a good idea maybe? Tend to agree with what's been said already...we lost and it's time to move on...oh and to get someone new to draft any future legal documents
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Post by brizzle on Jul 14, 2015 16:51:02 GMT
I feel that it is time to walk away from the whole sorry mess, and by so doing retain as much dignity as we can muster. In my opinion (based on what is in the public domain), the only guaranteed winners in an appeal would be the legal eagles.
Time to move on I think. But then again what (if anything) do I know?
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Post by mentors on Jul 14, 2015 18:43:21 GMT
I can't help but feel an appeal would be the last last throw of the dice, which is why it's being considered. Plainly the whole UWE project had been a farce from beginning to end so another chapter of fun for everyone else is probably unavoidable but I just wish Higgs would buzz off and at the very least allow someone who knows something...anything about running a football club to have free reign for a couple of years and preferably he'll take Watona with him. It really does appear to me that even if we had ended up with some compensation from Sainsburys, who incidentally have done nothing wrong other than pursue their own commercial well being within the terms of the contract which we signed up to, Higgs would have cocked it all up. What will come next I dread to think, I dont believe anyone is interested in buying us or investing although I have no doubt we have made approaches but somehow the idea that anyone has come to us with an offer which we have rejected is laughable.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jul 14, 2015 18:51:40 GMT
I can't help but feel an appeal would be the last last throw of the dice, which is why it's being considered. Plainly the whole UWE project had been a farce from beginning to end so another chapter of fun for everyone else is probably unavoidable but I just wish Higgs would buzz off and at the very least allow someone who knows something...anything about running a football club to have free reign for a couple of years and preferably he'll take Watona with him. It really does appear to me that even if we had ended up with some compensation from Sainsburys, who incidentally have done nothing wrong other than pursue their own commercial well being within the terms of the contract which we signed up to, Higgs would have cocked it all up. What will come next I dread to think, I dont believe anyone is interested in buying us or investing although I have no doubt we have made approaches but somehow the idea that anyone has come to us with an offer which we have rejected is laughable. Higgs and co think they have a divine right to run brfc, plenty of other clubs with much smaller support bases have been taken over in the last few years. We will never get rid of this shower of s**te, too many still blindly back them, they will get the football club they deserve, although in five years i doubt there'll be one.
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Post by mentors on Jul 14, 2015 18:57:59 GMT
I can't help but feel an appeal would be the last last throw of the dice, which is why it's being considered. Plainly the whole UWE project had been a farce from beginning to end so another chapter of fun for everyone else is probably unavoidable but I just wish Higgs would buzz off and at the very least allow someone who knows something...anything about running a football club to have free reign for a couple of years and preferably he'll take Watona with him. It really does appear to me that even if we had ended up with some compensation from Sainsburys, who incidentally have done nothing wrong other than pursue their own commercial well being within the terms of the contract which we signed up to, Higgs would have cocked it all up. What will come next I dread to think, I dont believe anyone is interested in buying us or investing although I have no doubt we have made approaches but somehow the idea that anyone has come to us with an offer which we have rejected is laughable. Higgs and co think they have a divine right to run brfc, plenty of other clubs with much smaller support bases have been taken over in the last few years. We will never get rid of this shower of s***e, too many still blindly back them, they will get the football club they deserve, although in five years i doubt there'll be one. Agree, it's amazing what's been created at Crawley for instance with crowds lesser than ours...cracking little ground that exists whilst we've been chasing an always mythical 20000 plus all seater that neither our fan base nor potential event sub lets have ever justified...fools gold.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Jul 15, 2015 2:16:28 GMT
Sainsbury's Lawyers are sharp, well drilled, and know every trick & loop hole in the book, they are seasoned veterans with YEARS of experience at this sort of thing and they have been doing it all over the country,they stick to the Law but do not have any morals or sense of fair play, we have NO chance if we appeal, just more money lost, I do wonder what the Bookies odd's would be on our success of an appeal, I am guessing 50-1!, and those odd's are not worth risking the future of our club on.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Jul 15, 2015 7:55:00 GMT
Higgs and co think they have a divine right to run brfc, plenty of other clubs with much smaller support bases have been taken over in the last few years. We will never get rid of this shower of s***e, too many still blindly back them, they will get the football club they deserve, although in five years i doubt there'll be one. Agree, it's amazing what's been created at Crawley for instance with crowds lesser than ours...cracking little ground that exists whilst we've been chasing an always mythical 20000 plus all seater that neither our fan base nor potential event sub lets have ever justified...fools gold. Trust me, many questions have been asked about Crawley's funding. Loads of better examples out there.
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Post by dagnogo on Jul 15, 2015 8:04:18 GMT
Rochdale, Dagenham, Wycombe, Bury, Wimbledon, Exeter and Yeovil.
Not one of them get more in the door than us, they're not bankrolled by a rich benefactor, they've had their troubles but they've made it through.
Wycombe are the closest match to us. Had a rich clueless man in charge, and got rid of him through a fans' trust buyout.
The main difference is that Steve Hayes agreed to have his personal debts owed by the club repaid over time (can't see Box 1 doimg that) and he didn't put the club £5-7m in debt.
Now, they spend what they have, break even, and survive.
As opposed to the Higgs model - loan the club money with interest, waste it, then demand gratitude.
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Post by LPGas on Jul 15, 2015 8:18:53 GMT
Rochdale, Dagenham, Wycombe, Bury, Wimbledon, Exeter and Yeovil. Not one of them get more in the door than us, they're not bankrolled by a rich benefactor, they've had their troubles but they've made it through. Wycombe are the closest match to us. Had a rich clueless man in charge, and got rid of him through a fans' trust buyout. The main difference is that Steve Hayes agreed to have his personal debts owed by the club repaid over time (can't see Box 1 doimg that) and he didn't put the club £5-7m in debt. Now, they spend what they have, break even, and survive. As opposed to the Higgs model - loan the club money with interest, waste it, then demand gratitude. you are correct Wycombe "survive". Also they have a better ground and I suspect make more money from it. Add to this with another team close by are Rovers fans content to just "survive?" Or do they want to rise to see their old "friends " again?
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Post by LPGas on Jul 15, 2015 8:20:18 GMT
I think we should appeal. If you read the whole document it all hinges on one point AND the last judge made 2 different references to it, both contradictory
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Post by dagnogo on Jul 15, 2015 8:22:55 GMT
Rochdale, Dagenham, Wycombe, Bury, Wimbledon, Exeter and Yeovil. Not one of them get more in the door than us, they're not bankrolled by a rich benefactor, they've had their troubles but they've made it through. Wycombe are the closest match to us. Had a rich clueless man in charge, and got rid of him through a fans' trust buyout. The main difference is that Steve Hayes agreed to have his personal debts owed by the club repaid over time (can't see Box 1 doimg that) and he didn't put the club £5-7m in debt. Now, they spend what they have, break even, and survive. As opposed to the Higgs model - loan the club money with interest, waste it, then demand gratitude. you are correct Wycombe "survive". Also they have a better ground and I suspect make more money from it. Add to this with another team close by are Rovers fans content to just "survive?" Or do they want to rise to see their old "friends " again? Well they were a penalty away from League 1 in May, so they were closer to our old friends than we were, mixing it with Dartford and Alfreton. Thing is, Rovers is never going to be a huge money-making venture. So, short of a Gashead Abramovich (remember, City are where they are because of money and nothing else), we either have a club that breaks even or we have one that limps from crisis to crisis.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 10:53:48 GMT
Higgs and co think they have a divine right to run brfc, plenty of other clubs with much smaller support bases have been taken over in the last few years. We will never get rid of this shower of s***e, too many still blindly back them, they will get the football club they deserve, although in five years i doubt there'll be one. Agree, it's amazing what's been created at Crawley for instance with crowds lesser than ours...cracking little ground that exists whilst we've been chasing an always mythical 20000 plus all seater that neither our fan base nor potential event sub lets have ever justified...fools gold. You're subtle.
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Post by timothyq on Jul 15, 2015 11:11:18 GMT
Sainsbury's Lawyers are sharp, well drilled, and know every trick & loop hole in the book, they are seasoned veterans with YEARS of experience at this sort of thing and they have been doing it all over the country,they stick to the Law but do not have any morals or sense of fair play, we have NO chance if we appeal, just more money lost, I do wonder what the Bookies odd's would be on our success of an appeal, I am guessing 50-1!, and those odd's are not worth risking the future of our club on. They had a QC, we had a QC. The barrister professions is exceptionally small, and there are very few QCs appointed (I think fewer than 100 appointments per year?), I'd guess that the barristers representing Rovers and Sainsbury's will have been on opposite sides of the court on a number of occasions, with Sainsbury's QC representing the 'little guy' from time to time. There are plenty of things wrong with our legal system and many are 'priced out' of justice, but our dispute with Sainsbury's wasn't lost because they overwhelmed us with slick, high quality lawyers while our public access work experience solicitor frantically searched for a convincing wig on ebay, and the whole little guy beaten by the big, bad supermarket narrative is starting to get quite tiring.
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Post by droitwichgas on Jul 15, 2015 12:27:12 GMT
I think we should appeal. If you read the whole document it all hinges on one point AND the last judge made 2 different references to it, both contradictory But the one point is pretty condemning, if they were 3 or 4 perhaps we could have challenge one and so weakened the other 2 or 3 points. I can't see anything contridictory she just says if she's wrong Rovers win but who actually thinks she was wrong - apart from NH's legal advisors?
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 15, 2015 12:36:22 GMT
I think we should appeal. If you read the whole document it all hinges on one point AND the last judge made 2 different references to it, both contradictory I'll ask again for anyone who wants to hazard a guess
How are we going to pay off Wonga by the end of the year, at the same time as raising funds for an appeal?
NH was already asked by 20man can we afford it and NH said "We will have to find the money"
We better have one bloody good case before taking it on, to convince a judge that the previous judge was fundamentally wrong
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