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Post by Angas on Jul 15, 2015 12:37:32 GMT
I think we should appeal. If you read the whole document it all hinges on one point AND the last judge made 2 different references to it, both contradictory Can you elaborate?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 12:38:05 GMT
I think we should appeal. If you read the whole document it all hinges on one point AND the last judge made 2 different references to it, both contradictory I'll ask again for anyone who wants to hazard a guess
How are we going to pay off Wonga by the end of the year, at the same time as raising funds for an appeal?
NH was already asked by 20man can we afford it and NH said "We will have to find the money"
We better have one bloody good case before taking it on, to convince a judge that the previous judge was fundamentally wrong
More immediately, how are we going to pay off Wonga irrespective of whether we throw any more money at this?
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Post by Angas on Jul 15, 2015 12:39:49 GMT
I'm assuming NH will dip into his pocket. Can't see any other answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 12:40:24 GMT
Don't think the board can be dissuaded.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 15, 2015 12:42:48 GMT
I'll ask again for anyone who wants to hazard a guess
How are we going to pay off Wonga by the end of the year, at the same time as raising funds for an appeal?
NH was already asked by 20man can we afford it and NH said "We will have to find the money"
We better have one bloody good case before taking it on, to convince a judge that the previous judge was fundamentally wrong
More immediately, how are we going to pay off Wonga irrespective of whether we throw any more money at this? Exactly, this talk of launching appeal is one thing, but we have a major external creditor that will want paying soon and I don't see any extra income lying around to pay it back at this point in time
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Post by LPGas on Jul 15, 2015 15:07:10 GMT
the pasties are going to be going up!
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Post by Thatslife on Jul 16, 2015 13:00:15 GMT
Going to appeal or even threatening to do it may scare Scumburys. ........or not
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Post by Igitur on Jul 16, 2015 13:03:39 GMT
the pasties are going to be going up!
They do anyway by around 10% at least, shame the meat content goes down by the same %.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 13:04:03 GMT
Going to appeal or even threatening to do it may scare Scumburys. ........or not Going by the reports from the courtroom from those who were there, Sainsburys couldn't be more relaxed and laid back with their position. The threat of an appeal won't have their chairmans eyes looking like something from a horror film unlike our own chairs.
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Post by LJG on Jul 16, 2015 13:33:18 GMT
How do people not understand that irrespective of money we don't have TIME to appeal. A Court of Appeal appeal isn't dealt with over night. Here's an example - a colleague represented someone at the Court of Appeal two and a half years ago - that's 30 months. During that hearing the judge made an order as to costs; his fee basically. He appealed that decision and the Senior Courts Costs Office hearing was ... YESTERDAY! And that was just the wait for the hearing listing let alone now waiting for judgement.
A Court of Appeal listing will take 2 years and lets call it another 6 months for judgement. UWE will be far far far in the sunset by then.
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Post by brizzle on Jul 16, 2015 13:38:27 GMT
I don't think that it's ''people'' that will appeal, but the club. And whether we like it or not Nick Higgs is the chairman of the BoD, and as such is familiar (through his legal advice) with the timescale.
It's his call, purely and simply.
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Post by LJG on Jul 16, 2015 13:48:28 GMT
I don't think that it's ''people'' that will appeal, but the club. And whether we like it or not Nick Higgs is the chairman of the BoD, and as such is familiar (through his legal advice) with the timescale. It's his call, purely and simply. Obviously "people" refers to those on here advocating the appeal. Of course it's Higgs's call - who said it wasn't? Whether Higgs is familiar with the timescale or not has nowt to do with it - UWE told us that they'd scrap the project from their end unless it started moving this summer: we had to make an application to have the trial fast-tracked on that basis. I expect an announcement from UWE's Principal any day now that following the High Court decision "they're out". Winning an appeal two years down the line from now will do us not the slightest bit of good.
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Post by casey12a on Jul 16, 2015 13:52:13 GMT
Sadly I think we will appeal as its the only chance the BOD can get their money back.
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Post by brizzle on Jul 16, 2015 14:00:14 GMT
I don't think that it's ''people'' that will appeal, but the club. And whether we like it or not Nick Higgs is the chairman of the BoD, and as such is familiar (through his legal advice) with the timescale. It's his call, purely and simply. Obviously "people" refers to those on here advocating the appeal. Of course it's Higgs's call - who said it wasn't? Whether Higgs is familiar with the timescale or not has nowt to do with it - UWE told us that they'd scrap the project from their end unless it started moving this summer: we had to make an application to have the trial fast-tracked on that basis. I expect an announcement from UWE's Principal any day now that following the High Court decision "they're out". Winning an appeal two years down the line from now will do us not the slightest bit of good.On that basis have you contacted the Chairman and told him of your opinion? He'll probably be quite relieved that he won't have to consider spending his (or the clubs) money on any appeal. Personally I'm just pleased and relieved in equal measure, that it's all over now.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 16, 2015 14:27:31 GMT
Rochdale, Dagenham, Wycombe, Bury, Wimbledon, Exeter and Yeovil. Not one of them get more in the door than us, they're not bankrolled by a rich benefactor, they've had their troubles but they've made it through. Wycombe are the closest match to us. Had a rich clueless man in charge, and got rid of him through a fans' trust buyout. The main difference is that Steve Hayes agreed to have his personal debts owed by the club repaid over time (can't see Box 1 doimg that) and he didn't put the club £5-7m in debt. Now, they spend what they have, break even, and survive. As opposed to the Higgs model - loan the club money with interest, waste it, then demand gratitude. If the hight of your attenment for Bristol Rovers is the same as those clubs god help us
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 16, 2015 14:40:53 GMT
Probably means "attainment". But then again we should listen to Henbury /Trym / whatever it is today - past predictions have been so accurate.
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Post by LJG on Jul 16, 2015 14:43:51 GMT
Obviously "people" refers to those on here advocating the appeal. Of course it's Higgs's call - who said it wasn't? Whether Higgs is familiar with the timescale or not has nowt to do with it - UWE told us that they'd scrap the project from their end unless it started moving this summer: we had to make an application to have the trial fast-tracked on that basis. I expect an announcement from UWE's Principal any day now that following the High Court decision "they're out". Winning an appeal two years down the line from now will do us not the slightest bit of good.On that basis have you contacted the Chairman and told him of your opinion? He'll probably be quite relieved that he won't have to consider spending his (or the clubs) money on any appeal. Personally I'm just pleased and relieved in equal measure, that it's all over now. I'm not really sure what your point is. I'm a simple man so please explain to me in the simplest way you possibly can how winning an appeal in 2017/18 that MIGHT force Sainsbury's to purchase our single asset will help us move to a new stadium when the landowners of that potential development site are not prepared to wait past summer 2015? Is one of our grounds for appeal that normal, universally acknowledged, time no longer exists? Ha, actually I suppose it is: "we missed the planning application deadline but ... err ... common dates do not apply to us, we operate under our own special calendar".
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Post by brizzle on Jul 16, 2015 14:50:26 GMT
On that basis have you contacted the Chairman and told him of your opinion? He'll probably be quite relieved that he won't have to consider spending his (or the clubs) money on any appeal. Personally I'm just pleased and relieved in equal measure, that it's all over now. I'm not really sure what your point is. I'm a simple man so please explain to me in the simplest way you possibly can how winning an appeal in 2017/18 that MIGHT force Sainsbury's to purchase our single asset will help us move to a new stadium when the landowners of that potential development site are not prepared to wait past summer 2015? Is one of our grounds for appeal that normal, universally acknowledged, time no longer exists? Ha, actually I suppose it is: "we missed the planning application deadline but ... err ... common dates do not apply to us, we operate under our own special calendar".
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 16, 2015 14:56:16 GMT
Thing is we were asking for a quick case because we had to keep our other partners on board. We now know the decision as do UWE.
I understand UWE say they are sticking with us, so did we spout a load of bullsh*t to the court?
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Post by LJG on Jul 16, 2015 14:56:46 GMT
I'm not really sure what your point is. I'm a simple man so please explain to me in the simplest way you possibly can how winning an appeal in 2017/18 that MIGHT force Sainsbury's to purchase our single asset will help us move to a new stadium when the landowners of that potential development site are not prepared to wait past summer 2015? Is one of our grounds for appeal that normal, universally acknowledged, time no longer exists? Ha, actually I suppose it is: "we missed the planning application deadline but ... err ... common dates do not apply to us, we operate under our own special calendar". Do you mean to say you can't?
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