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Post by dickgherkin on Jun 28, 2015 11:12:24 GMT
Can we all agree this then: IF we build a new ground, or redevelop the mem, and we create an all-seater stadium, we should ensure 'sight lines' for potential safe-standing are sorted.
At the moment the club wont even commit to that. Without that commitment we could be building a stadium that dooms us to all seating for 99yrs, long after all the regulations have changed, and everyone around us has safe standing
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Post by garyedwards on Jun 30, 2015 11:53:01 GMT
Can we all agree this then: IF we build a new ground, or redevelop the mem, and we create an all-seater stadium, we should ensure 'sight lines' for potential safe-standing are sorted. At the moment the club wont even commit to that. Without that commitment we could be building a stadium that dooms us to all seating for 99yrs, long after all the regulations have changed, and everyone around us has safe standing Bristol City have safe standing on their new ground.... |
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Post by splitter on Jun 30, 2015 12:24:16 GMT
Bristol City have safe standing on their new ground.... Safe standing isn't going in at the moment. I remember reading that the design of the stands were done in a way that the rake was correct so that rail seats could be retrofitted if the rules on stadium seating changed in the future. I don't think the design of UWE will allow this. |
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Post by PessimistGas on Jun 30, 2015 12:34:39 GMT
The reality is that having safe standing in a brand new stadium is just a pipe dream. |
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 30, 2015 12:37:29 GMT
1 meter for those that agree with your opinion on what's happening on the pitch 2 meters for those that don't 3 meters for those who don't have a clue or care what's going hopping who just want to be a pain. Can we have a separate, caged section, with electrified fence, and seats with spikes for the 50 internet warriors? surely not required as none of us go |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 13:00:59 GMT
Can we have a separate, caged section, with electrified fence, and seats with spikes for the 50 internet warriors? surely not required as none of us go I was wrong anyway, one of the 50 is banned, so only 49 spiked seats required. |
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Post by Rex on Jun 30, 2015 13:36:10 GMT
It's got nothing to do with costs, it's got everything to do with Football League regulations, you will not get planning permission for safe standing in this Country when applying to build a brand new football stadium in the English football league, them's the rules ! Hell will freeze over the rules will change before we break ground on a new stadium. Fixed that for you. |
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 30, 2015 22:13:40 GMT
surely not required as none of us go I was wrong anyway, one of the 50 is banned, so only 49 spiked seats required. What about those of us who stand on the terraces who just won't sit down and shut up ? |
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Post by edotb on Jun 30, 2015 22:25:00 GMT
if we do eventually build The UWE stadium the club should allow supporters behind the home goal to sit where ever they want so that people who would like to create an atmosphere for a large part of the game to all sit/stand near each other
it is obvs to say that the atmosphere will definatley suffer moving away from the Mem and mostly standing terraces However the fact that the stadium is going to be a bowl and covered at every corner means none of the noise will be lost to the elements like it is now atm as anyone who has stood in the away terrace or south stand will know & with our new stadium means more people coming to the games aswell so should improve the atmosphere
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 30, 2015 22:28:30 GMT
if we do eventually build The UWE stadium the club should allow supporters behind the home goal to sit where ever they want so that people who would like to create an atmosphere for a large part of the game to all sit/stand near each other it is obvs to say that the atmosphere will definatley suffer moving away from the Mem and mostly standing terraces However the fact that the stadium is going to be a bowl and covered at every corner means none of the noise will be lost to the elements like it is now atm as anyone who has stood in the away terrace or south stand will know & with our new stadium means more people coming to the games aswell so should improve the atmosphere I like your confidence, whatever you do don't volunteer to go on the Retail Committee.......  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 22:52:33 GMT
I was wrong anyway, one of the 50 is banned, so only 49 spiked seats required. What about those of us who stand on the terraces who just won't sit down and shut up ? Well, that's a question of timing. One day Box 1 will look down at you whilst wearing blue & white scarves, as if that somehow responds to concerns that you may have about the future and stability of the club. The timing will probably be wrong to deal with akward questions. Much better to wait until we are relegated (again). The next day, when they want you to pay to attend a fixture, so that you can fund their mistakes, we will be 'all in this together'. Anyway, I'm glad that we are all in it together. That means that if our stadium is sold, neither Higgs or any of his mates from Box 1 will make a personal profit. |
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Post by dickgherkin on Jul 2, 2015 10:11:08 GMT
Bristol City have safe standing on their new ground.... Safe standing isn't going in at the moment. I remember reading that the design of the stands were done in a way that the rake was correct so that rail seats could be retrofitted if the rules on stadium seating changed in the future. I don't think the design of UWE will allow this. Lots of Ifs and Buts before we have to think about it, I know, but this is a must-change for me - to build a stadium that cannot be retrofitted for safe standing is a colossal folly, even by the standards of this club. |
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Post by LPGas on Jul 2, 2015 19:29:04 GMT
I believe City have a bank of some 30 safe standing areas, but I think you will find they will disappear over the summer as they wont be allowed to use them in the Championship
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Post by Bridgeman on Jul 2, 2015 23:17:42 GMT
Safe standing isn't going in at the moment. I remember reading that the design of the stands were done in a way that the rake was correct so that rail seats could be retrofitted if the rules on stadium seating changed in the future. I don't think the design of UWE will allow this. Lots of Ifs and Buts before we have to think about it, I know, but this is a must-change for me - to build a stadium that cannot be retrofitted for safe standing is a colossal folly, even by the standards of this club. You won't get planning permission, it's got nothing to do with the club. |
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Post by splitter on Jul 3, 2015 8:12:33 GMT
Lots of Ifs and Buts before we have to think about it, I know, but this is a must-change for me - to build a stadium that cannot be retrofitted for safe standing is a colossal folly, even by the standards of this club. You won't get planning permission, it's got nothing to do with the club. That doesn't sound right. 1. The whole point of safe standing is there are seats with a rail at the back. For any competition that needs all seater the seats are used. When standing is permitted the seats are locked in the up position. 2. The suggestion was that the stadium should be designed such that there is enough room between each step that safe standing could be retrofitted later. Both of those points fulfill an all seater requirement right now so why would planning permission be a problem. The problem seems to be more one of cost. Safe standing rail seat systems are going to cost quite a bit more than regular seating. If there is no guarantee that they are going to be allowed in the near future then there is no point spending the extra money. I would guess that even if standing were to be allowed in the future the extra cost would still need to be justified. How would the seating pay for itself? If standing were allowed you could argue that when an area has seats in the locked up position the capacity for that area would increase. The thing is in the UWE, capacity really isn't going to be a problem for some time. What about match day costs? If you are standing I suspect you are going to want a reduced price ticket, right? So the seats cost more, but you get less match day ticket revenue. I would really love to see the option to stand at the new ground, but I think that the design is set in stone and we will not see any change. Unfortunately it is money that will make this decision and not sentiment. Having a design that the stadium was at sufficient angle so that rail seats could be retrofitted in the future would have been the best approach in my opinion. (as done at Ashton Gate) It was short sighted not to do this originally, I fear that any change to the plans now would cost too much for a project that already looks to have shaky finances. |
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Post by Bridgeman on Jul 3, 2015 19:03:30 GMT
You won't get planning permission, it's got nothing to do with the club. That doesn't sound right. 1. The whole point of safe standing is there are seats with a rail at the back. For any competition that needs all seater the seats are used. When standing is permitted the seats are locked in the up position. 2. The suggestion was that the stadium should be designed such that there is enough room between each step that safe standing could be retrofitted later. Both of those points fulfill an all seater requirement right now so why would planning permission be a problem. The problem seems to be more one of cost. Safe standing rail seat systems are going to cost quite a bit more than regular seating. If there is no guarantee that they are going to be allowed in the near future then there is no point spending the extra money. I would guess that even if standing were to be allowed in the future the extra cost would still need to be justified. How would the seating pay for itself? If standing were allowed you could argue that when an area has seats in the locked up position the capacity for that area would increase. The thing is in the UWE, capacity really isn't going to be a problem for some time. What about match day costs? If you are standing I suspect you are going to want a reduced price ticket, right? So the seats cost more, but you get less match day ticket revenue. I would really love to see the option to stand at the new ground, but I think that the design is set in stone and we will not see any change. Unfortunately it is money that will make this decision and not sentiment. Having a design that the stadium was at sufficient angle so that rail seats could be retrofitted in the future would have been the best approach in my opinion. (as done at Ashton Gate) It was short sighted not to do this originally, I fear that any change to the plans now would cost too much for a project that already looks to have shaky finances. I understand all that you say and I personally would want any sort of standing area to be allowed but there are two issues to be taken into account :- i ) Football League regulations do not allow a club to provide any sort of standing provision in a brand new stadium. ii) Consequently we submitted a planning application for a 21,700 all seater stadium because the Footbal League would not have allowed us to submit anything else and to put safe seating areas in it now would require a change of planning application which we already know they won't consider. It doesn't matter want I want, what you want or anyone else wants or what it costs to build, the option of being able to stand at any new stadium is not allowed by the football league. The only way we could retain standing is by developing the Mem stand by stand (not the whole stadium) and leaving an area of terracing available in place. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Jul 3, 2015 19:32:49 GMT
I think we need to mount a stand on this ,,,Standing is last years thing ...seating is the way to go
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Post by LPGas on Jul 4, 2015 19:36:46 GMT
Would be interesting to see who wants standing and who does not. Poll anyone?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 9, 2015 17:10:21 GMT
Terraces have had their day, think of families, do they want to be pushed, shoved, and have bad language shouted in the ears? Time to get in to the 21st Century Rovers continued revival will come from the terrace, not from the stands. So, the second biggest terrace in England, am I reading that right? And we're gonna chuck that away? If we don't end up with safe standing at the new ground this club doesn't respect its fans, in my opinion After everything that has happened, you surprise me in thinking the board has any regard to the fans |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 23:14:32 GMT
Would be interesting to see who wants standing and who does not. Poll anyone? Standings over rated, unless your in a toilet cubicle in a nightclub. |
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