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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 15:03:17 GMT
This can be graded.
1 meter for ignorant and smelly.
2 meters for economically incompetent, that means we can watch the game without having to listen to numpties banging on about how Gideon has got everything wrong.
3 meters for poor people.
1 meter for those that agree with your opinion on what's happening on the pitch 2 meters for those that don't 3 meters for those who don't have a clue or care what's going hopping who just want to be a pain. Can we have a separate, caged section, with electrified fence, and seats with spikes for the 50 internet warriors?
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 26, 2015 20:34:11 GMT
Have you been to Selhurst Park or the Britannia Stadium? It's not all seaters that kill atmosphere it's day trippers and tourists. That might be true. But I still believe Safe Standing improves the atmosphere reguardless. And how many times will UWE be sold out? Last year I visited the Librty Stadium at Swansea. It's become a libary compared to the Vetch. Yes but at least you have you don't have to go for a piss at the back of the stand anymore. Going to Halifax last season brought back those memories
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Post by dickgherkin on Jun 26, 2015 20:47:01 GMT
Terraces have had their day, think of families, do they want to be pushed, shoved, and have bad language shouted in the ears? Time to get in to the 21st Century Rovers continued revival will come from the terrace, not from the stands. So, the second biggest terrace in England, am I reading that right? And we're gonna chuck that away? If we don't end up with safe standing at the new ground this club doesn't respect its fans, in my opinion
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Post by tauntongas on Jun 27, 2015 1:14:26 GMT
One: I stand at the Blackthorn, I am not that tall, I guess I miss 40% of the action because I have to move for those that come in late, those that want a pasty, those that want a piss, those that just want to push and shove, and of course the man with the biggest head in Bristol who always stands in front of me. I want a stadium where I am DRY, and where I can SEE everything. I also want a stadium where we will be allowed to play in the Championship. Terraces have had their day, think of families, do they want to be pushed, shoved, and have bad language shouted in the ears? Time to get in to the 21st Century If you dislike all you mention, why the heck do you go into the Blackthorn End? There is plenty of option within The Memorial Ground to stand, pay a similar price and not experience what you state. Also, if we have an all-seater stadium the inclusion of seats does not necessarily deter those fans who " come in late, those that want a pasty, those that want a piss, those that just want to push and shove". Everything you say, if it were taken away from * my* (personal) "matchday experience" of Rovers, I would never watch the club again. I grew up in the Popular Side/Terrace at Bath and the Blackthorn End of the Memorial - what we need is CHOICE, not an absolute definition of "football culture" one way, or the other. I would be ashamed of myself if I told you, what your day at the Rovers should entail. I think the only thing that could be agreed upon, without discussion, is that each fan has the right to observe their team, without fear of violence or being subject to inhumane or dangerous conditions. Please correct me if I overstep the mark, with that. With an arena the size of a football pitch, with four sides at least one-tier high, there is plenty enough room to offer every fan everything. Wanting to stand on a terrace at football is not an antiquated ritual and how dare you deem it be. Look at Borussia Dortmund as one, isolated example and tell me that "terraces have had their day". Your post is silly and poorly supported by anything other than personal whinging. (Post edited to tone down my emotion. I was a bit worse for wear last night.)
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Post by tauntongas on Jun 27, 2015 1:16:06 GMT
Why do people think that if you are advocating for terracing you are therefore automatically against more seating at Rovers? That's a massive false dichotomy. I think Rovers desperately need more seats to attract families and casual fans to games and improve the matchday experience for certain people but I also think it is great that standing areas look like they're beginning to make a comeback in some form. It doesn't need to be an either/or choice; only the Taylor report decided frames in that way. It's not like we had 100% terraced grounds and then 100% seating or that in Germany where there is safe standing areas there are somehow no seats in the stadium. Surely this can be a win-win. There's no reason why all grounds couldn't have a decent sized standing area for the fans that want to stand. My view is that standing to watch the game is one of the things that makes football different from other forms of entertainment. I feel more part of the occasion when I stand and I like being able to work off the nervous energy watching a game that way. Given a choice I will always choose to stand to watch a football match. I think it probably does help create atmosphere by allowing fans to congregate together plus when you stand you feel more energetic; there's a reason why choirs stand up to sing, people stand up to make presentations etc. As usual, Irish; I am in complete agreement with what you say.
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Post by garyedwards on Jun 27, 2015 6:19:18 GMT
One: I stand at the Blackthorn, I am not that tall, I guess I miss 40% of the action because I have to move for those that come in late, those that want a pasty, those that want a piss, those that just want to push and shove, and of course the man with the biggest head in Bristol who always stands in front of me. I want a stadium where I am DRY, and where I can SEE everything. I also want a stadium where we will be allowed to play in the Championship. Terraces have had their day, think of families, do they want to be pushed, shoved, and have bad language shouted in the ears? Time to get in to the 21st Century Why on earth are you paying to stand at the Blackthorn if this is the experience you have?
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 27, 2015 11:04:06 GMT
Terraces have had their day, think of families, do they want to be pushed, shoved, and have bad language shouted in the ears? Time to get in to the 21st Century Rovers continued revival will come from the terrace, not from the stands. So, the second biggest terrace in England, am I reading that right? And we're gonna chuck that away? If we don't end up with safe standing at the new ground this club doesn't respect its fans, in my opinion This time it's got nothing to do with us not respecting our fans, it's to do with Football League regulations. If and it does rather seem a BIG if at this moment we are aiming to aspire to the Championship we have to provide an all seater stadium, thems the rules !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 12:22:18 GMT
Why on earth are you paying to stand at the Blackthorn if this is the experience you have? That's pretty much how it is standing to watch football. Tall people arrive late and park themselves directly in front of you. Then there's the shuffler, an odd creature, starts off with a gap between you and him, but he can't stay still and moves continually towards you until he makes contact, you move away, he follows you along the terrace continuing to make as much contact as possible. WTF is that all about, can't people just stand in one spot? But at least you don't have to get out of your seat time after time for numpties who want to go in and out half a dozen times in 90 mins.
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Post by dickgherkin on Jun 27, 2015 18:08:47 GMT
Rovers continued revival will come from the terrace, not from the stands. So, the second biggest terrace in England, am I reading that right? And we're gonna chuck that away? If we don't end up with safe standing at the new ground this club doesn't respect its fans, in my opinion This time it's got nothing to do with us not respecting our fans, it's to do with Football League regulations. If and it does rather seem a BIG if at this moment we are aiming to aspire to the Championship we have to provide an all seater stadium, thems the rules ! Fair point, but it will take us at least 2 yrs to get there, and by then I'm sure (personal opinion of course) that safe standing will be allowed. Why not hedge our bets - build the two areas behind the goals (or redevelop the mem) to allow for safe standing. This means calculating sight lines that would allow the seating area to be converted to safe standing. At the moment the club is not even committing to doing that. So, the club with one of the richest terrace traditions in the country could be committing to seating for fans for the next 99yrs, while other clubs move back to standing.
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Post by LPGas on Jun 27, 2015 18:30:35 GMT
This time it's got nothing to do with us not respecting our fans, it's to do with Football League regulations. If and it does rather seem a BIG if at this moment we are aiming to aspire to the Championship we have to provide an all seater stadium, thems the rules ! Fair point, but it will take us at least 2 yrs to get there, and by then I'm sure (personal opinion of course) that safe standing will be allowed. Why not hedge our bets - build the two areas behind the goals (or redevelop the mem) to allow for safe standing. This means calculating sight lines that would allow the seating area to be converted to safe standing. At the moment the club is not even committing to doing that. So, the club with one of the richest terrace traditions in the country could be committing to seating for fans for the next 99yrs, while other clubs move back to standing. It wont happen for one reason, extra cost
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Post by LPGas on Jun 27, 2015 18:33:10 GMT
One: I stand at the Blackthorn, I am not that tall, I guess I miss 40% of the action because I have to move for those that come in late, those that want a pasty, those that want a piss, those that just want to push and shove, and of course the man with the biggest head in Bristol who always stands in front of me. I want a stadium where I am DRY, and where I can SEE everything. I also want a stadium where we will be allowed to play in the Championship. Terraces have had their day, think of families, do they want to be pushed, shoved, and have bad language shouted in the ears? Time to get in to the 21st Century If you dislike all you mention, why the heck do you go into the Blackthorn End? There is plenty of option within The Memorial Ground to stand, pay a similar price and not experience what you state.and stay dry? In this day and age the fact that if you stand and (not in the Blackthorn ) you are going to get WET when it rains.
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Post by LPGas on Jun 27, 2015 18:49:55 GMT
Brentford are building an all seater, and the only terracing left at Peterboro' is for the home fans, and I don't think that is going to last long. the rest, are small clubs in terms of attendance, Accrington 1200 for example.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 27, 2015 19:43:05 GMT
The reality is that having safe standing in a brand new stadium is just a pipe dream. Whilst there may be some pressure groups developing to challenge the authorities regulations on this any total new stadium build certainly at the moment will not receive planning permission for safe standing. The UWE Stadium has planning permission for a 21,700 all seater stadium, under the current regulations you will not get planning permission to include safe standing so the club aren't going to apply for it. So however much I or many others may want it, them's the rules !
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 27, 2015 19:48:14 GMT
I stand at Rovers. Only once have I been in a box, with nice cooking and comfy seats and shelter away from the riff-raff. It was bloody lovely
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Post by dickgherkin on Jun 27, 2015 21:39:43 GMT
Fair point, but it will take us at least 2 yrs to get there, and by then I'm sure (personal opinion of course) that safe standing will be allowed. Why not hedge our bets - build the two areas behind the goals (or redevelop the mem) to allow for safe standing. This means calculating sight lines that would allow the seating area to be converted to safe standing. At the moment the club is not even committing to doing that. So, the club with one of the richest terrace traditions in the country could be committing to seating for fans for the next 99yrs, while other clubs move back to standing. It wont happen for one reason, extra cost How much does the club value the wishes of some of its most committed fans? What is the price of that? I would hope more than the costs related to Safe Standing. I really do hope so.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 27, 2015 21:52:55 GMT
It wont happen for one reason, extra cost How much does the club value the wishes of some of its most committed fans? What is the price of that? I would hope more than the costs related to Safe Standing. I really do hope so. It's got nothing to do with costs, it's got everything to do with Football League regulations, you will not get planning permission for safe standing in this Country when applying to build a brand new football stadium in the English football league, them's the rules !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 22:35:33 GMT
How much does the club value the wishes of some of its most committed fans? What is the price of that? I would hope more than the costs related to Safe Standing. I really do hope so. It's got nothing to do with costs, it's got everything to do with Football League regulations, you will not get planning permission for safe standing in this Country when applying to build a brand new football stadium in the English football league, them's the rules ! the rules will change before we break ground on a new stadium.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 27, 2015 23:21:51 GMT
It's got nothing to do with costs, it's got everything to do with Football League regulations, you will not get planning permission for safe standing in this Country when applying to build a brand new football stadium in the English football league, them's the rules ! the rules will change before we break ground on a new stadium. Probably not in the next 5 years so we maybe have a bit of a chance
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Post by clockendgas on Jun 28, 2015 8:33:41 GMT
Superb And can we have a meter radius around each seat so I dont have to be in close proximity to ignorant smelly people Funny you should put that as the only time ive ever bought a seat at the mem was for the hereford cup game about seven years ago. Only sat down because i took my youngest but sadly could not get him hooked. Sat there before game with empty seat next to me so plenty of elbow space, not for long, big lard ass comes along and just about gets his bum into the seat, and yeah he stank of old sweat, and he spent the whole game moaning about every pass etc, was very happy to hear the final whistle and get some fresh air. Give me standing any day, evening didnt get any better as i got a ticket and three points going thru a red light on the stapleton road junction, another £60, thank god we actually won, wish id stayed at home ha ha
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Post by Rex on Jun 28, 2015 8:42:09 GMT
The reality is that having safe standing in a brand new stadium is just a pipe dream. Whilst there may be some pressure groups developing to challenge the authorities regulations on this any total new stadium build certainly at the moment will not receive planning permission for safe standing. The UWE Stadium has planning permission for a 21,700 all seater stadium, under the current regulations you will not get planning permission to include safe standing so the club aren't going to apply for it. So however much I or many others may want it, them's the rules !
I've fixed that for you.
By the way, the OP lists Peterborough as a Championship club, it isn't.
Pedantic Gas
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